Joe Biden Presidency thread Please read OP - Threadbanned Users Added 4/5/21

Curse These Metal Hands · 26-02-2021 03:31PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

And if such facilities weren't available at the time, which was the case, what should have been done?

I don't believe that the US couldn't muster something better than crass and crude, dehumanising cages. So you are saying cages were the only option, so why are you saying that you don't justify cages, but are very clearly saying they were necessary? That's justification.

Was Obama right to use cages?

26-02-2021 03:32PM

Curse These Metal Hands wrote: »

So you are saying cages were the only option, so why are you saying that you don't justify cages, but are very clearly saying they were necessary? That's justification.

I asked you a question first. I will gladly answer yours once you answer mine.

Yeah_Right · 26-02-2021 03:34PM

Curse These Metal Hands wrote: »

Fair enough. I suppose my point is that there is no justification for locking humans seeking a better life into cages like animals. People defending it depending on which President they support are clutching at straws.

What do you think should be done with the illegal immigrants that are caught crossing the border? Where should they be housed while they are being processed?

Curse These Metal Hands · 26-02-2021 03:36PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I asked you a question first. I will gladly answer yours once you answer mine.

I don't believe the US couldn't do any better than crude, crass and dehumanising cages. They absolutely had the ability to make better facilities but it wasn't priority. They shouldn't have used cages, and international disgust reflects that.

So were the cages the right move?

Curse These Metal Hands · 26-02-2021 03:38PM

Yeah_Right wrote: »

What do you think should be done with the illegal immigrants that are caught crossing the border? Where should they be housed while they are being processed?

Sorry its hard to keep up with the pro cagers and the anti cagers in this thread. Even though nobody is supposedly justifying cages. Ill get back to you in a minute

astrofool · 26-02-2021 03:39PM

Curse These Metal Hands wrote: »

Given that I'm against the ill treatment of immigrant, and every post I've made reflects that, why in gods name would I support that? Are you assuming because I am against caging immigrants that I must be a Trump supporter? Doesn't make sense.

Perfect, so you agree that the previous administrations actions were abhorrent.

Next step is:

Should countries have borders at all?
What do you think should be done when an adult crosses the border?
What do you think should be done when a child crosses the border by themselves?
Do you agree with providing extra funding so better facilities than cages can be built?

26-02-2021 03:41PM

Curse These Metal Hands wrote: »

I don't believe the US couldn't do any better than crude, crass and dehumanising cages. They absolutely had the ability to make better facilities but it wasn't priority. They shouldn't have used cages, and international disgust reflects that.

So were the cages the right move?

Yes, they had the ability to build better facilities after the surge began but the Republican-led Congress turned down Obama's request for funding to build such facilities.

So whose fault is it?

Curse These Metal Hands · 26-02-2021 03:41PM

For guys that would absolutely never justify cages, you sure are doing a long of arguing to justify them. Ah to be mindlessly loyal to a political party.

Curse These Metal Hands · 26-02-2021 03:42PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Yes, they had the ability to build better facilities after the surge began but the Republican-led Congress turned down Obama's request for funding to build such facilities.

So whose fault is it?

You said you'd answer my question if Obama was right to use cages. So? Deal is a deal.

astrofool · 26-02-2021 03:44PM

Curse These Metal Hands wrote: »

Sorry its hard to keep up with the pro cagers and the anti cagers in this thread. Even though nobody is supposedly justifying cages. Ill get back to you in a minute

There is at least 3 people supporting cages, and utilising them to purposely separate parents from their children, because of this it's at least better to state your starting point, I don't think anyone else here is advocating cages being used for anyone, but can understand why they were built when funds are low and the alternate is to have people confined to a patch of land in the desert.

12gauge dave · 26-02-2021 03:48PM

It's circle back Friday.

https://twitter.com/RichardGrenell/status/1365285167976370177?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1365285167976370177%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_c10&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fd-531324073693620006.ampproject.net%2F2102200206000%2Fframe.html

https://twitter.com/JoeBiden/status/1142605692085272581?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1142605692085272581%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_c10&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fd-8442343801915718421.ampproject.net%2F2102130314001%2Fframe.html

26-02-2021 03:49PM

Curse These Metal Hands wrote: »

You said you'd answer my question if Obama was right to use cages. So? Deal is a deal.

Yes. He was to right to keep unaccompanied minors in an enclosure for up to 72 hours while better arrangements could be made as the only option was that or sleeping outside on a bench.

No one in this thread is advocating the use of cages, only that they were the best case scenario at the time, and you have presented no better options in any of your posts.

Your turn to answer my last question.

astrofool · 26-02-2021 03:52PM

12gauge dave wrote: »

It's circle back Friday.

I have to assume, by your ongoing silence, that you are fine with governments purposely separating children from their parents, thus making any further posts made on the badness of Biden completely hypocritical, and an attempt to drag Biden down to your level.

Curse These Metal Hands · 26-02-2021 03:57PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Yes. He was to right to keep unaccompanied minors in an enclosure for up to 72 hours while better arrangements could be made as the only option was that or sleeping outside on a bench.

No one in this thread is advocating the use of cages, only that they were the best case scenario at the time, and you have presented no better options in any of your posts.

Your turn to answer my last question.

The cages were placed inisde roofed structures though, why was this necessary? The alternative would have been within the same structure but not caged. Providing some sense of dignity for immigrants.

Leroy42 · 26-02-2021 04:02PM

Curse These Metal Hands wrote: »

The cages were placed inisde roofed structures though, why was this necessary? The alternative would have been within the same structure but not caged. Providing some sense of dignity for immigrants.

Not quite sure what point you are trying to make here.

Was it the perfect solution, no nobody has tried to say it was. Earlier poster showed the rapid increase in unaccompanied minors that needed to be dealt with. Having cages allowed some separation so that all kids weren't thrown in together with the inevitable issues that would cause. You seem to be advocating that they simply be placed inside an open plan warehouse and let at it. No space for girls/boys, younger/older.

It was meant as a temporary measure, but again as an earlier poster pointed out, the Republicans refused to allow extra funds to build proper facilities.

Trump then took that and made it a specific goal to separate children, and did nothing to resolve the temporary cages issue, instead wasting billions on an ineffective an unfinished wall.

Biden has canceled that policy, but of course now we are back to the 'temporary' situation so hopefully the GOP can see the issues and agree to work with Biden to release the necessary funds to fix the issue.

26-02-2021 04:03PM

Curse These Metal Hands wrote: »

The cages were placed inisde roofed structures though, why was this necessary? The alternative would have been within the same structure but not caged. Providing some sense of dignity for immigrants.

What do you mean why was it necessary? They had to temporarily use warehouses, and warehouses tend to just be one large open floor rather than consisting of multiple rooms. If they are forced to use warehouses, what is your suggestion? Or do you think they should just let them roam free with the guards in the warehouse and potentially attack the guards, take their weapons etc. so they can escape?

Also, you did not answer my last question as I asked.

duploelabs · 26-02-2021 04:03PM

12gauge dave wrote: »

It's circle back Friday.

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Wouldn't it be great if it was 'questions were answered in an adult fashion' Friday

ohnonotgmail · 26-02-2021 04:06PM

duploelabs wrote: »

Wouldn't it be great if it was 'questions were answered in an adult fashion' Friday

I think that is scheduled for March 14th.

duploelabs · 26-02-2021 04:36PM

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

I think that is scheduled for March 14th.

But that clashes with Pi day

ohnonotgmail · 26-02-2021 05:22PM

duploelabs wrote: »

But that clashes with Pi day

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biko · 26-02-2021 05:27PM

Young Turk doesn't approve

https://twitter.com/cenkuygur/status/1365135185927237633?s=20

Eric Cartman · 26-02-2021 05:46PM

biko wrote: »

Young Turk doesn't approve

https://twitter.com/cenkuygur/status/1365135185927237633?s=20

Im pleased to see, unlike many , that Cenk has held to calling out Biden and not just dipping into 'well atleast he's not the other guy' fawning.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 26-02-2021 05:50PM

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Im pleased to see, unlike many , that Cenk has held to calling out Biden and not just dipping into 'well atleast he's not the other guy' fawning.

Biden should be called out and he is far better than the other guy - again, what's your point? Or is this just more confirmation bias?

26-02-2021 05:51PM

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Im pleased to see, unlike many , that Cenk has held to calling out Biden and not just dipping into 'well atleast he's not the other guy' fawning.

Fyi, multiple posters have addressed your posts.. Also interested to see your response to this question in case you missed it.

astrofool wrote: »

So, Eric Cartman, do you support the enforced separation of children from their parents (including making those children orphans due to not keeping records) as a way to discourage immigration?

Same repeated question to 12gauge dave and Quantum Baloney.

I will be shocked to
a) get a reply
b) not get a whataboutery reply

I can only imagine that Eric Cartman, 12guage dave and Quantum Baloney are perfectly OK with a government taking their children away (if they have any) while they themselves travel to other countries (just in case the country thinks that they are immigrating there).

Tell me how · 26-02-2021 06:02PM

biko wrote: »

Young Turk doesn't approve

https://twitter.com/cenkuygur/status/1365135185927237633?s=20

That's the difference between left analysts and commentators and right wing. Left are consistent and objective. Right are, well, you know yourself.

TYT, Medhi Hasan, even politicians like AOC being 100% consistent.

I suppose it would be too much to ask that conservatives on here would remember this next time they are trying to paint both ideologues as being 'as bad as each other' or 'both at it'.

mcmoustache · 26-02-2021 06:08PM

biko wrote: »

Young Turk doesn't approve

https://twitter.com/cenkuygur/status/1365135185927237633?s=20

Nor do many in the Democratic party and those that do tend to be from their conservative wing who have them over a barrel given the make-up of the senate.

salmocab · 26-02-2021 06:09PM

Tell me how wrote: »

That's the difference between left analysts and commentators and right wing. Left are consistent and objective. Right are, well, you know yourself.

TYT, Medhi Hasan, even politicians like AOC being 100% consistent.

I suppose it would be too much to ask that conservatives on here would remember this next time they are trying to paint both ideologues as being 'as bad as each other' or 'both at it'.

I’ve been thinking about this it’s quite telling that conservatives think that people on the left not all agreeing with everything Biden does makes a point about Biden whereas it to me shows where they are. The blind following and excuses for Trump were almost unbelievable but this shows to me that actually the people who spent years shouting about fake media and calling liberals things like sheeple are ironically the very ones that were just happy to follow their guy unblinkingly.

everlast75 · 26-02-2021 06:23PM

Leroy42 wrote: »

Not quite sure what point you are trying to make here.

Was it the perfect solution, no nobody has tried to say it was. Earlier poster showed the rapid increase in unaccompanied minors that needed to be dealt with. Having cages allowed some separation so that all kids weren't thrown in together with the inevitable issues that would cause. You seem to be advocating that they simply be placed inside an open plan warehouse and let at it. No space for girls/boys, younger/older.

It was meant as a temporary measure, but again as an earlier poster pointed out, the Republicans refused to allow extra funds to build proper facilities.

Trump then took that and made it a specific goal to separate children, and did nothing to resolve the temporary cages issue, instead wasting billions on an ineffective an unfinished wall.

Biden has canceled that policy, but of course now we are back to the 'temporary' situation so hopefully the GOP can see the issues and agree to work with Biden to release the necessary funds to fix the issue.

All of the replies to this explanation has been basically...

"But Obama something something cages...."

Zero ability to contextualise or differentiate.

No wonder "lock her up" and "drain the swamp" worked.

12gauge dave · 26-02-2021 06:24PM

biko wrote: »

Young Turk doesn't approve

https://twitter.com/cenkuygur/status/1365135185927237633?s=20

All unravelling as expected.

everlast75 · 26-02-2021 06:26PM

12gauge dave wrote: »

All unravelling as expected.

LOL.

A dissenting voice equates to it "all unravelling" to a Trump supporter.

Wow.

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