Covid 19 Part XXXIII-231,484 ROI(4,610 deaths)116,197 NI (2,107 deaths)(23/03)Read OP

Timmy O Toole wrote: »

Nigerian variant now discovered in Ireland were fcuked

Turn off RTE for god's sake.

There is no proof that vaccines dont work against all these different variants.
Until told otherwise, you should believe that vaccines do work against variant xyz.

timmyntc wrote: »

Turn off RTE for god's sake.

There is no proof that vaccines dont work against all these different variants.
Until told otherwise, you should believe that vaccines do work against variant xyz.

Worst a variant will probably do is reduce efficacy a little.

Thats why its good that so many variants have such good efficacy.

75% as effective against variant. Great vaccine efficacy is around 95% so its still awesome.

Its not like we are using barely acceptable 50% efficacy vaccines.

We will get there. It would of course be better if the air ports were closed to keep variants out but our government can't seem to handle that for some reason.

Dempo1 wrote: »

Reid is insufferable, I just don't get how he's lasted ths lengh of time apart from the cost of getting rid of him. He led the charge at yesterday's PR ladened HSE press conference about all the alleged positivity whilst at the same time Liveline inundated with calls about cancellations of vacinne appointments and GP surgeries not even contacted or supplied vaccine.

As regards his absurd comments about people moving about, he hasn't been shy about popping up and down to his holiday pad in Leitrim, the hypocrisy is breathtaking.

Listening to him at the moment on morning Ireland, no hard questions and listening to him is annoying.

How about your absurd comments, in fact downright lie,
Paul Reid lives and has his permanent family home
In Carrick On Shannon having moved there a number of years ago.

Media need to do better on these variants. They really aren't scary enough and its because they are announcing them from places that aren't that scary. California, South Africa, England etc. Might as well be wines.

Your villain needs to be from Russia or East Germany or the Middle East and give it a good scary name like Ivan Drago or Hans Gruber etc.
Up your game media.

Timmy O Toole wrote: »

Nigerian variant now discovered in Ireland were fcuked

So that means vaccine doesn't work in Nigeria, S. Africa, Brazil, England etc etc.
:rolleyes:

timmyntc wrote: »

Trying to keep variant x y or z out of the country is as realistic as zero covid.
Whichever variant becomes dominant across UK/EU/the world will eventually get in here, at which point we will have 0 immunity to it (if vaccines dont provide immunity - however right now they do)

Like if you managed to keep out all the UK variants for months, what then? Eventually you will have to reopen and its going to be waiting there for you and will definitely get in as its dominant everywhere else.

Correct, the very first case in this country was the result of travel so keeping variants out requires a full lockdown New Zealand style and while it seems simple to some consider how many trucks roll off of ferrys every day, what are you going to do with the driver and his truck for 2 weeks? Also, lots of specialist equipment like MRI's, Xrays, CT are supported and maintained by technicians that fly in from UK or Germany, there is an equivalent spectrum of equipment used in high tech / biotech manufacturing.

The devil is in the detail.

New variants have been around since all this started, I remember that doom mongerer John Campbell going on about them last March!

Media are picking them up as a scare tactic, so far data shows vaccines work with them.

robbiezero wrote: »

Media need to do better on these variants. They really aren't scary enough and its because they are announcing them from places that aren't that scary. California, South Africa, England etc. Might as well be wines.

Your villain needs to be from Russia or East Germany or the Middle East and give it a good scary name like Ivan Drago or Hans Gruber etc.
Up your game media.

Beware the Cavan variant

Timmy O Toole wrote: »

I take the word from our NATIONAL BROADCASTER more than some anonymous poster on the internet. These variants are really concerning

Honestly I think an anonymous internet poster has more credibility at this stage.

plodder wrote: »

The likelihood of a variant that is equivalent to a new virus, is probably no different from an actual new virus suddenly appearing.

I'd be interested in seeing those calculations. (Assuming by a variant equivalent to a new virus, you mean a variant that is resistant to the vaccines/more infectious/more harmful/whatever, and I'm not sure what you are defining as a "new virus suddenly appearing" - there are viruses all over the shop, presumably you mean ones making the leap to humans and leading to a pandemic?)

Stateofyou wrote: »

So then why are the leading scientists/health experts so worried then? You know something they don't? Why even stir anything up then instead of smoothing fears? Agree with you there about the airports.

Back in 1990s there was all this concern about the y2k bug. Maybe you were aware of it? The bug could have wreaked havoc on the world's IT infrastructure. That never happened because people put in the necessary preparations and work to ensure any issues that did occur were minor or would be postponed to a later date.

Variants are similar. Right now they have potential to become a problem. If we plan and prepare correctly they won't be. There is nothing at this time of writing to suggest they're a serious issue right now. My biggest concern is the media keep playing this card and if a variant emerges that does actually fck us nobody will take it seriously due to how many times they've been cried wolf to.

Ficheall wrote: »

I'd be interested in seeing those calculations. (Assuming by a variant equivalent to a new virus, you mean a variant that is resistant to the vaccines/more infectious/more harmful/whatever, and I'm not sure what you are defining as a "new virus suddenly appearing" - there are viruses all over the shop, presumably you mean ones making the leap to humans and leading to a pandemic?)

Yes, obviously a virus that has the same pandemic effect on humans as this one and is resistant to vaccines, since that is why we've all been cooped up for the last year.

As I said (merely repeating what experts have said) is that viable virus mutations tend to make small changes in the viruses make-up not large ones. So, it stands to reason that the chances of a single mutation rendering vaccines completely ineffective is very low.