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How long before Irish reunification? (Part 2) Threadbans in OP

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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,378 ✭✭✭Fionn1952


    Well like everything in Unionism, they;re only against it til they're not.
    So I guess we can use that as a guide.

    While I won't speak for your average Unionist, Political Unionism at least has certainly leaned towards, 'NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, wait....how much will you pay?!"


  • Registered Users Posts: 23,481 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog




  • Registered Users Posts: 66,973 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    I see Ben, who we discussed the other day, funnily enough, has gotten himself in some hot water with an outrageous tweet. The editor of the Newsletter has resigned it is being rumoured online...anyone hear anything?

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  • Registered Users Posts: 623 ✭✭✭Natterjack from Kerry


    No.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 23,481 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    Who is Pastor Jimberoo?


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,378 ✭✭✭Fionn1952


    Who is Pastor Jimberoo?

    A parody Twitter account, who apparently went to the same school as young Ben (not too many Provos attended that particular school...)

    I certainly didn't think it was serious enough to lead to Ben's resignation, though as far as journalists go, while surprised I won't shed too many tears if it turns out to be true. He's brass necked out a lot worse than this though, so I would be VERY surprised.

    EDIT: I do see he hasn't Tweeted in two days, which is unusual for him


  • Registered Users Posts: 66,973 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Fionn1952 wrote: »
    A parody Twitter account, who apparently went to the same school as young Ben (not too many Provos attended that particular school...)

    I certainly didn't think it was serious enough to lead to Ben's resignation, though as far as journalists go, while surprised I won't shed too many tears if it turns out to be true. He's brass necked out a lot worse than this though, so I would be VERY surprised.

    EDIT: I do see he hasn't Tweeted in two days, which is unusual for him

    I saw this...but may be spoofing. I think the Pastor's crime in Ben's eyes was challenging Stephen Nolan's bias.

    https://twitter.com/BorderSeaIrish/status/1364928087662723076


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,378 ✭✭✭Fionn1952


    I saw this...but may be spoofing. I think the Pastor's crime in Ben's eyes was challenging Stephen Nolan's bias.

    https://twitter.com/BorderSeaIrish/status/1364928087662723076

    That is what it spawned from alright, but it led to certain challenges regarding his right to anonymity and then escalated to the Provo Jimberoo nonsense, which as a fellow alumnus of the same secondary, he would be well aware isn't the case.

    I'd be incredibly surprised if it was serious enough to lead to a resignation unless Jimberoo is much better connected that I suspected: there aren't very many people regularly reading The Newsletter who'd be too upset at calling anyone who could be perceived as attacking Loyalism a Provo.


  • Registered Users Posts: 66,973 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Fionn1952 wrote: »
    That is what it spawned from alright, but it led to certain challenges regarding his right to anonymity and then escalated to the Provo Jimberoo nonsense, which as a fellow alumnus of the same secondary, he would be well aware isn't the case.

    I'd be incredibly surprised if it was serious enough to lead to a resignation unless Jimberoo is much better connected that I suspected: there aren't very many people regularly reading The Newsletter who'd be too upset at calling anyone who could be perceived as attacking Loyalism a Provo.

    No word today...Ben still silent on Twitter. Lying low I'd say, letting it blow over.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 66,973 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    The pastor has relaunched his account anyhow:

    https://twitter.com/PastorJimberoo3


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,378 ✭✭✭Fionn1952


    The pastor has relaunched his account anyhow:

    https://twitter.com/PastorJimberoo3

    And apparently it was confirmed on the Nolan Show this morning that Lowry has not resigned. That's also heard second hand though as I would watch paint dry before putting Nolan on.


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,112 ✭✭✭✭downcow


    Fionn1952 wrote: »
    As unfortunate as it may be, often with legal advice you get what you pay for.

    Can we just clarify that this was indeed the big news you were boasting about a few days ago, and that your idea of cross party support was indeed Kate Hoey and a bloke from the Brexit Party?

    Hahaha. I can’t be bothered scrolling back, but I even specifically told you that I was being clear in the post that I was writing in such a way so as you couldn’t say later that I had claimed it was big stuff that was going to change the world. And haha you just done it.


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,112 ✭✭✭✭downcow


    Nobody has asked the strategic geniuses in Unionism what happens if they win. Anyone prepared to tell us in the Unionist camp?

    I actually don’t know. I had the same question. Can boris just ignore it. Quite possibly


  • Registered Users Posts: 623 ✭✭✭Natterjack from Kerry


    It would depend on the nature of the judgement. While Johnson is as big a chancer as you will get, the UK is still very much a strongly democratic country, with an independent legal structure, and enough decent people who will demand the rule of law. Boris, Gove, Rees Moog et al were firmly put back in their box in their attempt to prorogue parliament. They did not get away with the bluff and bulldoze approach. So bluster alone may not suffice. But again, it depends on the detail of the judgement if it went that way. I feel there are some grounds alright, which may be acknowledged by the court, but considered weaker than the overall position of the UK.


  • Registered Users Posts: 23,481 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    Nobody has asked the strategic geniuses in Unionism what happens if they win. Anyone prepared to tell us in the Unionist camp?

    In the unlikely event they won all the judges can do is ask the government to find a "remedy". They can't get rid of the protocol even if they won. That's not how it works.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,570 ✭✭✭Tyrone212


    Nqp15hhu wrote: »
    Northern Ireland is not yours. You should respect our wishes here and stop trying to take hold of something that doesn’t belong to you, just to one up against the United Kingdom.

    The irony LOL


  • Registered Users Posts: 66,973 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    In the unlikely event they won all the judges can do is ask the government to find a "remedy". They can't get rid of the protocol even if they won. That's not how it works.

    That's what I would have thought, they'll succeed in plunging the 'motherland' into even more crisis.

    Be gas if they precipitated a referendum here over it. Could see Boris doing it too. :)


  • Registered Users Posts: 10,117 ✭✭✭✭Junkyard Tom


    In the unlikely event they won all the judges can do is ask the government to find a "remedy". They can't get rid of the protocol even if they won. That's not how it works.

    You can't amend an international agreement with internal legislation. They'd have to back to the EU in an even weaker position than before they left.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,378 ✭✭✭Fionn1952


    downcow wrote: »
    Hahaha. I can’t be bothered scrolling back, but I even specifically told you that I was being clear in the post that I was writing in such a way so as you couldn’t say later that I had claimed it was big stuff that was going to change the world. And haha you just done it.

    I said big news Downcow, nothing about changing the world.

    Your tone clearly implied that should it pass, it would be an interesting development, though you did caveat it with the, 'it might go nowhere', which is fair enough. I'd call interesting developments big news, but realistically it isn't a particularly significant part of my question. You also said it COULD be a gamechanger, so to me calling it big news seems reasonable.

    To save your scrolling, your post was
    downcow wrote: »
    Watch this space. There will be an interesting development around the protocol in the coming days.
    ....and it won’t be a guy with a paintbrush this time

    And here is where you said it could be a gamechanger;
    downcow wrote: »

    The developments I refer to coming up may also achieve nothing or it could be a gamechanger. As people on here say about a referendum, we only need to get lucky once.

    I am not being more explicit as I think those involved should announce it, but it will be fronted by cross party MPs on that big island where you say no one cares.

    And let me emphasise again so as you don’t misinterpret it, it my achieve nothing. It may end up another lost battle, but what is key is who wins the war.

    So I'll ask the question again, and to avoid deflection into semantics about the significance of the term, 'big news', I'll rephrase: was this indeed the development you were discussing a few days ago, and is the cross party support from Britain you referenced essentially just Kate Hoey and a member of the Brexit Party?


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  • Registered Users Posts: 18,923 ✭✭✭✭BonnieSituation


    You can't amend an international agreement with internal legislation. They'd have to back to the EU in an even weaker position than before they left.

    Never stopped them trying before.


  • Registered Users Posts: 66,973 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    You can't amend an international agreement with internal legislation. They'd have to back to the EU in an even weaker position than before they left.

    And that would take them back to 'no deal' territory. The British are gonna love those who want to maintain the Union with them, for that.


  • Registered Users Posts: 10,661 ✭✭✭✭maccored


    And that would take them back to 'no deal' territory. The British are gonna love those who want to maintain the Union with them, for that.

    unionism only cares for itself and no-one else. It wants to live in the old days when it ruled over its catholic subjects. see, thats why they thought brexit was great - they thought they were going back to the old days. never dawned on them that the rest of the world has sussed them at this stage


  • Registered Users Posts: 18,923 ✭✭✭✭BonnieSituation


    The Old Lady going back to her roots:

    https://www.irishtimes.com/culture/books/a-unionist-history-of-northern-ireland-1.4488587?mode=amp

    I reckon we'll be seeing quite an uptick in articles and discussion about how benign and misunderstood Unionism was.

    Pass me the bucket.


  • Registered Users Posts: 23,481 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog




  • Registered Users Posts: 252 ✭✭lurleen lumpkin


    Is this not an illegal act?

    Decided on during the meeting with illegal organisations.


  • Registered Users Posts: 66,973 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady



    DUP have gone rogue...this should be fun.


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,112 ✭✭✭✭downcow


    DUP have gone rogue...this should be fun.

    More popcorn Francie


  • Registered Users Posts: 66,973 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    downcow wrote: »
    More popcorn Francie

    This calls for something stronger...candy popcorn.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 252 ✭✭lurleen lumpkin


    This calls for something stronger...candy popcorn.

    I've opened a bottle of football special!


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