Relaxation of Restrictions, Part IX Read OP For Mod Warnings

24-02-2021 12:20AM

ArthurDayne wrote: »

And then there is just the small question of coming to terms with the fact that our economy now has a few billion less to spend on caring for the vulnerable of tomorrow.

A few billion can be borrowed very cheaply indeed at national economy level- given the exceptional nature of events here its chickenfeed

JRant · 24-02-2021 12:29AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I think the messaging, from NPHET at least, is to prevent complacency setting in before enough of the vulnerable have been vaccinated. At current rates we will be well into the vulnerable under 65’s by April 5th.

It was notable in the press conference that Glynn came across far better than MM and Leo. The later two and numerous other government ministers have obviously been briefed recently to use D'VARIANT whenever possible. This makes no sense as all the indicators are that all the current vaccines prevent serious illness and death, regardless of the strain.

Now, if we can keep Tony away from NPHET on a permanent basis I think we'll be in far better shape come early summer.

CalamariFritti · 24-02-2021 12:41AM

Deleted User wrote: »

It’s over. It’s on a wind down. Highly effective vaccine data coming in, both in severity and transmission, 82% of adults done by June. Covid is soon to be no more. Or no more than a bad seasonal cold anyway except for the anti vaccine nutters. Now why not allow a few weeks to get the vulnerable vaccinated so everyone has a fair chance at summer.

I dont often agree with you but I agree with you on this.

However, we weren't exactly expecting to go to the pub next week. And we got nothing, zilch. And all we hear that there is no dates no metrics no nothing and already paving the path for a continuation of this after full vaccination.

At what point will we say what the actual fvck?

Klonker · 24-02-2021 12:42AM

growleaves wrote: »

Richard Boyd Barrett wants "near-zero" cases before re-opening schools. I have to laugh at this Toy Opposition.

The saddest thing of all of this situation is as bad as the government have been, and they've been terrible, they are still the best of a bad bunch. Sinn Fein, Labour, SD, PBP were all saying go with public health advise. Since Christmas this has become go for zero covid even though that is against the public health advice. If we waited until cases were near zero we could be waiting 5 years, would RBB still be saying wait to reopen the schools at that stage if that was the case?

Sinn Fein I've actually been most disappointed in as head of opposition. No criticisms about the current restrictions, nothing about construction still closed (but will be quick to fault on missing housing targets later in year), nothing about vaccines, nothing about using antigen testing in Covid hotpots, nothing about anything really apart from their easy target of quarentining arrivals. That's all they talk about. The public are obsessed with this at the moment for some reason I can't understand.

It's a really bad state of affairs when the like of the Healy Raes seem to be talking the most sense :pac:

showpony1 · 24-02-2021 12:45AM

Just like it was made clear nothing would be changing except for opening of Schools in March,
it is already clear what will happen on 5th April - "some" outdoor activities & Construction will open.
No point in speculating any otherwise for the next month or so.

JRant · 24-02-2021 12:57AM

showpony1 wrote: »

Just like it was made clear nothing would be changing except for opening of Schools in March,
it is already clear what will happen on 5th April - "some" outdoor activities & Construction will open.
No point in speculating any otherwise for the next month or so.

Correct, level 5 till May is a cert.

Whatisthisnow · 24-02-2021 01:12AM

Asking for a friend

If you went to holiday home in Kerry, just me and my kid 5, will both of us be fined for being outside our 5k on route?

If he wasn't fined, and I was? Thats surely a case in court

I never seen any age restrictions

Charles Babbage · 24-02-2021 01:30AM

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

I don't disagree with a lot of your points, but 'ah sure it's Christmas, we have to open up' is not a reasonable plan. It's sheer populism, and a big part of the reason our numbers are so high now. Our numbers were rising at the time. It made no sense.

The plan of reducing numbers in October and November and having some relaxation for Christmas was reasonable. Populism is another name for meeting the needs of people. However, the government opened the hospitality when they should not have, they did little to ensure that people arriving in the country were isolating, and their gamble went very wrong because of the new variant which tripled the damage of the contacts.

Graham · 24-02-2021 01:49AM

Charles Babbage wrote: »

Populism is another name for meeting the needs of people.

Populism is another name for meeting the wants of people.

We largely got what we wanted for Christmas on credit with an extortionate rate of interest. We're paying it back now.

Hospitality was definitely a gamble we lost although I'd guess (anecdotally) the home was a much higher source.

gozunda · 24-02-2021 02:09AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

It’s over. It’s on a wind down. Highly effective vaccine data coming in, both in severity and transmission, 82% of adults done by June. Covid is soon to be no more. Or no more than a bad seasonal cold anyway except for the anti vaccine nutters. Now why not allow a few weeks to get the vulnerable vaccinated so everyone has a fair chance at summer.

True. As vaccines rates rise the need for restrictions decrease. I'm really not too sure why some find this difficult tbh.

gozunda · 24-02-2021 02:14AM

Lundstram wrote: »

...
I was referring to the people who are happy to sit at home on the PUP, a lot of them aren't and are struggling to pay bills. My comments were in reference to those who supported restrictions because they're comfortable on the PUP, again, many are struggling on it.

Don't you dare twist my words.

So you support those on pup who you believe are against restrictions but not those who are on pup but do

fin12 · 24-02-2021 02:15AM

I just knew this year was going to be worse than last year. When is this f*cking 5k going to be lifted ? Seriously I mean is it just going to pushed out again now after April to May 5th, and love how they sneakily brought the whole thing forward as our cases will be even lower next week.

I really can’t take that restriction anymore.

Bigfatmichael · 24-02-2021 02:23AM

FFS RTE if your going to post an article on restrictions across europe at least do it properly.
RTE drives me absolute mad, that article is the biggest pile of crap ive ever read.

https://www.rte.ie/news/primetime/2021/0223/1198899-covid-19-restrictions-ireland-europe-isle-of-man-madrid/

Graham · 24-02-2021 02:24AM

fin12 wrote: »

Seriously I mean is it just going to pushed out again now after April to May 5th

IMO, I doubt it unless case number starting ramping up again.

fin12 · 24-02-2021 02:27AM

Graham wrote: »

Personal opinion, I doubt it unless case number starting ramping up again.

It just seems to me they have so much power now that I feel they think they really can impose any level and length of restriction now, I heard him speak briefly on the radio tonight and it’s put me in such a bad place mentally.

Klonker · 24-02-2021 02:37AM

olestoepoke wrote: »

We are an island ffs with a tiny population and yet we win the prize for the longest lockdown country in Europe. What sort on egits are running the show?

And to make it even worse we have one of the youngest populations in Europe. It actually makes no sense at all.

Graham · 24-02-2021 02:41AM

fin12 wrote: »

It just seems to me they have so much power now that I feel they think they really can impose any level and length of restriction now.

It's crap. Absolutely it's crap. Even if you think restrictions are necessary it's still completely crap.

I don't see the logic in it being some kind of power play. What's to gain other than being unpopular for making unpleasant choices.

What I do see is decreasing case numbers and an increasing vaccination program with all international indicators being the vaccines are doing their job.

fin12 · 24-02-2021 02:45AM

Graham wrote: »

It's crap. Absolutely it's crap. Even if you think restrictions are necessary it's still completely crap.

I don't see the logic in it being some kind of power play. What's to gain other than being unpopular for making unpleasant choices.

What I do see is decreasing case numbers and an increasing vaccination program with all international indicators being the vaccines are doing their job.

Because being unpopular doesn’t bother them , just look after the banking crisis, they are back in here again, they are literally untouchable. They are never held accountable for their actions ever. My mental health is destroyed from this place.

PTH2009 · 24-02-2021 02:49AM

Graham wrote: »

It's crap. Absolutely it's crap. Even if you think restrictions are necessary it's still completely crap.

I don't see the logic in it being some kind of power play. What's to gain other than being unpopular for making unpleasant choices.

What I do see is decreasing case numbers and an increasing vaccination program with all international indicators being the vaccines are doing their job.

Nobody would dare question the lockdown policy of 'were in lockdown to protect the hospitals and to make sure there not overcrowded etc'

We had that last year with hospitals supposedly half empty

I'm very annoyed tonight

Graham · 24-02-2021 03:05AM

fin12 wrote: »

Because being unpopular doesn’t bother them , just look after the banking crisis, they are back in here again, they are literally untouchable. They are never held accountable for their actions ever. My mental health is destroyed from this place.

"I'm going to be unpopular because I can even though I've absolutely nothing to gain from it"

Sorry, I don't buy it.

Quite seriously now, for your own health you might want to think about ignoring this thread for a while. Wallowing in the perpetual misery isn't going to be doing you any favours.

Don't ignore the fact that case numbers are dropping and vaccination numbers are going up. There's nothing bad to be found in either of those facts.

Graham · 24-02-2021 03:05AM

PTH2009 wrote: »

Nobody would dare question the lockdown policy of 'were in lockdown to protect the hospitals and to make sure there not overcrowded etc'

are you new here?

PTH2009 · 24-02-2021 03:11AM

Graham wrote: »

are you new here?

No I meant the journalists who's job it is to ask the hard questions

fin12 · 24-02-2021 03:12AM

Graham wrote: »

"I'm going to be unpopular because I can even though I've absolutely nothing to gain from it"

Sorry, I don't buy it.

Quite seriously now, for your own health you might want to think about ignoring this thread for a while. Wallowing in the perpetual misery isn't going to be doing you any favours.

Don't ignore the fact that case numbers are dropping and vaccination numbers are going up. There's nothing bad to be found in either of those facts.

But then they have nothing to lose from being unpopular either so ur whole argument makes no sense. I don’t need to be on this thread to wallow in the misery, the misery is everywhere. I am genuinely really freaking out about the fact they have so much power to keep us locked down under this never ending 5k rule.

hynesie08 · 24-02-2021 03:13AM

PTH2009 wrote: »

No I meant the journalists who's job it is to ask the hard questions

What are the hard questions?

24-02-2021 03:16AM

DellyBelly wrote: »

I really hope they raise it to 10km. I am 8km from a beach and really want to get there for a walk. I am missing it big time. This 5km is so cruel...

For God sake just go to the beach for your walk. Will do you the world of good, physically and mentally. To hell with the brainwashed begrudges.

PTH2009 · 24-02-2021 03:29AM

hynesie08 wrote: »

What are the hard questions?

'Can you explain the reason for keeping the hard restrictions even with the hospitals been quiet and not overcrowded ?'

Graham · 24-02-2021 03:32AM

PTH2009 wrote: »

'Can you explain the reason for keeping the hard restrictions even with the hospitals been quiet and not overcrowded ?'

Exponential growth would be the obvious answer I would have thought.

Open too soon, from too high a level and you have to revert to tighter restrictions rapid as case number and hospitalisations rocket up.

Like Christmas just gone and where we've been for the last 2 months.

Bit cynical · 24-02-2021 03:57AM

Graham wrote: »

Exponential growth would be the obvious answer I would have thought.

Open too soon, from too high a level and you have to revert to tighter restrictions rapid as case number and hospitalisations rocket up.

Like Christmas just gone and where we've been for the last 2 months.

However exponential growth is also an argument for never opening up, or at least until summer when the R number naturally falls. This means that the 5 April is likely going to be further extended as the date approaches.

Windmill100000 · 24-02-2021 08:10AM

I think being on here all the time does add to the mood of apathy. I've seen people leave for a while and come back. For anyone really struggling maybe it's worth considering in the short term. Quite often it's the same points being made over and over again anyway.

Penfailed · 24-02-2021 08:21AM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

18 million citizens have received the 1st vaccine dose

Even dose 1 provides some protection

The UK lockdown is finished

...out of a population of 68 million. They've a bit to go yet before they reach the 70-80% mark touted as being required. They're doing well though to be fair.

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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part IX Read OP For Mod Warnings