Relaxation of Restrictions, Part IX *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

Windmill100000

PTH2009 wrote: »

'Can you explain the reason for keeping the hard restrictions even with the hospitals been quiet and not overcrowded ?'

I think it's because case numbers are still high. I think it's a waiting game till vaccinations are administered and seeing how that plays out.

Others will say that it's because the Government enjoys flexing their power and gets a thrill out of seeing people suffer.

JRant

Bit cynical wrote: »

However exponential growth is also an argument for never opening up, or at least until summer when the R number naturally falls. This means that the 5 April is likely going to be further extended as the date approaches.

Well exponential decay never seems to be a factor in easing restrictions. Hospital numbers have plummeted, ICU numbers are falling but there's a longer lag with this as we well know. Case numbers are well down and include a lot of serial testing of facilities. Thankfully the vaccine seems to be reducing infection in HCW's. Add in the 1 million who will have a vaccine in them by the end of March and you would like to think we'd be in a far better place.

For a functioning government those indicators would be enough to bring us to level 3 at a very minimum. However, I don't think we'll see anything below level 5 before the end of May.

Factor in that the "plan" calls out the need for further restrictions in Autumn and Winter as "other" respiratory illness may place stress on the health care system and it seems the government have a plan to deal with the yearly trolley crisis. What these restrictions are is anyone's guess, could be masks or include social distancing. If they try that with the population vaccinated I think they'll find it a very different place to now.

Windmill100000

PTH2009 wrote: »

'Can you explain the reason for keeping the hard restrictions even with the hospitals been quiet and not overcrowded ?'

I think like many it was waiting to see case numbers drop.

Windmill100000

Sorry, double post.

Penfailed

PTH2009 wrote: »

Looking at the Isle Of Man footage on prime town now

Jammy bastards, that's living not here with us basically under house arrest

Catch yourself on. The Isle of Man was easy to lockdown. You can't travel to the IoM unless you are a resident.

...oh, and we're not 'basically under house arrest'.

Penfailed

SnuggyBear wrote: »

It's very likely to be in some sort of lockdown next winter. The question is will they still give people 350? Surely this has to end at some stage.

The only way they can stop people working is to give financial assistance. If the PUP stops, lockdown also stops.

JRant

Penfailed wrote: »

The only way they can stop people working is to give financial assistance. If the PUP stops, lockdown also stops.

Very good point and another indicator that severe restrictions will be in place till at least the end of June as they have extended this until then.

ingo1984

My father in his late 60s had a heart attack on Sunday. Luckily survived. Cardiologist attributed it to lack of exercise. No surprise when he's been badically imprisoned in his own home for best part of a year. Two of his friends also had heart attacks this side of Christmas. I'd hazard a guess for the very same reason. It's gotten to the stage with people's health that they are literally robbing Peter to pay Paul. May be solving one health problem but only creating other health problems.

titan18

ingo1984 wrote: »

My father in his late 60s had a heart attack on Sunday. Luckily survived. Cardiologist attributed it to lack of exercise. No surprise when he's been badically imprisoned in his own home for best part of a year. Two of his friends also had heart attacks this side of Christmas. I'd hazard a guess for the very same reason. It's gotten to the stage with people's health that they are literally robbing Peter to pay Paul. May be solving one health problem but only creating other health problems.

100%, even in my own case, I've put on weight due to stress eating and the lack of exercise. All you can really do is go for a walk or a run atm and that's not ideal when you live in a city and everywhere is packed.

FlubberJones

18 million vaccines so far in the UK, holiday bookings rocketing and a huge wave of optimism...

A few hundred thousand in ireland and another wave of L5 lockdowns and the doom and gloom of "new variants"...

What a joke.

JRant

FlubberJones wrote: »

18 million vaccines so far in the UK, holiday bookings rocketing and a huge wave of optimism...

A few hundred thousand in ireland and another wave of L5 lockdowns and the doom and gloom of "new variants"...

What a joke.

Honestly, you are better off not paying any attention to the media. They are driving a lot of the fear and anguish at the moment. Get out as much as you can, enjoy the brighter weather when it comes, see family and friends if you feel it's safe as it will help improve any of this constant doom and gloom and improve your mental health.

We are not supposed to stay isolated from other human beings for these lengths of time.

Penfailed

PTH2009 wrote: »

'Can you explain the reason for keeping the hard restrictions even with the hospitals been quiet and not overcrowded ?'

Hard questions? That's ^^^ one relatively easy question.

uli84

FlubberJones wrote: »

18 million vaccines so far in the UK, holiday bookings rocketing and a huge wave of optimism...

A few hundred thousand in ireland and another wave of L5 lockdowns and the doom and gloom of "new variants"...

What a joke.

Cannot even say how much I hate them for that. I booked the stay over in the UK myself and as soon as the school is over i’m outta here. The total lack of any hope or positivity given throughout whole year of this here is astounding. Not to mention severe restrictions lasting 7 fooking months (Oct-Apr)

pjohnson

titan18 wrote: »

100%, even in my own case, I've put on weight due to stress eating and the lack of exercise. All you can really do is go for a walk or a run atm and that's not ideal when you live in a city and everywhere is packed.

Cycle/Workout at home?

CalamariFritti

normanoffside wrote: »

Boards meet up?

I was reading up on the main speaker and he is a bit of a character

https://www.independent.ie/life/family/the-gunman-fired-at-me-six-or-seven-times-he-hit-me-in-the-right-hip-i-had-a-feeling-that-i-had-escaped-with-my-life-pioneering-doctor-andrew-rynne-on-the-day-he-nearly-died-39950793.html

Boards meet would be nice. Could agree on meeting point there and find out who are all the subordinate people in person.

Will be interesting to just get there for me and others not from Dublin. I have thought about this last night and I will not be making any stories up when getting stopped. I will just tell them I'm going to the protest and I deem it absolutely essential. If they fine me so be it.

Boggles

pjohnson wrote: »

Cycle/Workout at home?

I've never seen so many people out exercising then I have in the past 11 months.

Kivaro

Listening to the RTE news this morning discussing the upcoming restrictions next winter, it seems that they could be put in place due to the Irish health system being inundated with "other" respiratory illnesses. It sounds like they they will use restrictions for a normal flu-like winter then. Maybe we should have a healthcare system in Ireland than can handle the flu; we spend enough of money on it.

I certainly do not want the government to initiate future restrictions and further lockdowns due to incompetence, understaffing etc. unrelated to Covid.

Boggles

CalamariFritti wrote: »

Boards meet would be nice. Could agree on meeting point there and find out who are all the subordinate people in person.

Will be interesting to just get there for me and others not from Dublin. I have thought about this last night and I will not be making any stories up when getting stopped. I will just tell them I'm going to the protest and I deem it absolutely essential. If they fine me so be it.

Yeah, tell them you are completely against restrictions and you are going to a "rally" where the head speaker is completely against vaccinations.

Let us know what facial expression the guard makes.

Windmill100000

pjohnson wrote: »

Cycle/Workout at home?

Businesses selling online gym equipment must be flying it. I was in my local Holland and Barrett yesterday to pick up whey protein as the larger sizes were sold out online. I was told the stuff flies out.

titan18

pjohnson wrote: »

Cycle/Workout at home?

Anytime I check for some home gym equipment, businesses have either massively increased them in price or they're sold out. I can do a bit but it's not really the same as when I was going to PT or group classes. Find it a lot more difficult tbh, and motivation wise, I find it very hard atm (as I'm sure others do too). I'll go out for a walk daily, but found over the last few months anyway, most days have been so crap weather wise, the walks haven't ended up being for very long.

Windmill100000

titan18 wrote: »

Anytime I check for some home gym equipment, businesses have either massively increased them in price or they're sold out. I can do a bit but it's not really the same as when I was going to PT or group classes. Find it a lot more difficult tbh, and motivation wise, I find it very hard atm (as I'm sure others do too). I'll go out for a walk daily, but found over the last few months anyway, most days have been so crap weather wise, the walks haven't ended up being for very long.

That's very true. The weather lately has been horrendous. I walk my local ring road any time I can and have for years. I see the same regulars now but there are a lot more out there since last summer You'd spot the gym goers who usually jog not walk, but plenty of older people out walking now too. It's good for mental health so not surprising people have taken it up and do it when they can.

paw patrol

hynesie08 wrote: »

What are the hard questions?

why is there no targets?
As a nation are meandering along this route like gob****es with no clue where we are going - not my choice as Ive made abundantly clear - but if i saw a reasonable plan with targets that both the government and the people were held to I'd be a lot more agreeable and could even get behind such a plan.

VinLieger

paw patrol wrote: »

why is their no targets?

Because they are waiting for someone else to come and fix this for them, they are incapable of thinking of any pro-active steps to take like buying outside of the EU allocation like many other countries have started doing

ingo1984

Kivaro wrote: »

Listening to the RTE news this morning discussing the upcoming restrictions next winter, it seems that they could be put in place due to the Irish health system being inundated with "other" respiratory illnesses. It sounds like they they will use restrictions for a normal flu-like winter then. Maybe we should have a healthcare system in Ireland than can handle the flu; we spend enough of money on it.

I certainly do not want the government to initiate future restrictions and further lockdowns due to incompetence, understaffing etc. unrelated to Covid.

Can't honestly believe that even with majority of the vaccine rolled out they still want restrictions. This is clearly nphet continuing to pull the strings.

paw patrol

VinLieger wrote: »

Because they are waiting for someone else to come and fix this for them, they are incapable of thinking of any pro-active steps to take like buying outside of the EU allocation like many other countries have started doing

couldn't have put it better myself.

the fact no journo actually runs with this as an angle or story just reaffirms that they are in the states pocket

Penfailed

JRant wrote: »

Very good point and another indicator that severe restrictions will be in place till at least the end of June as they have extended this until then.

Not necessarily. There are a significant cohort of people that would still be out of work at level 3.

silverharp

pjohnson wrote: »

Cycle/Workout at home?

I bet he didnt think of that

Penfailed

paw patrol wrote: »

why is there no targets?
As a nation are meandering along this route like gob****es with no clue where we are going - not my choice as Ive made abundantly clear - but if i saw a reasonable plan with targets that both the government and the people were held to I'd be a lot more agreeable and could even get behind such a plan.

England don't have targets on their plan either. It's an easy get out clause.

Penfailed

VinLieger wrote: »

Because they are waiting for someone else to come and fix this for them, they are incapable of thinking of any pro-active steps to take like buying outside of the EU allocation like many other countries have started doing

How many EU countries are buying outside their allocation?

paw patrol

Penfailed wrote: »

England don't have targets on their plan either. It's an easy get out clause.

they have date targets. Something to aim for and Boris then needs to justify why things don't happen when they are supposed to.
Accountability.

we have nothing.