Relaxation of Restrictions, Part IX *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

paw patrol

silverharp wrote: »

I bet he didnt think of that

I really hate that moronic - bUt YoU cAn ExErCiSe At HoMe - mantra.
Made my people who haven't a clue

Penfailed

paw patrol wrote: »

they have date targets. Something to aim for and Boris then needs to justify why things don't happen when they are supposed to.
Accountability.

we have nothing.

He can do exactly as our fellas have done. "We're not were we need to be." ...without telling anyone any figures. I get it, there's optimism coming from the English dates but there's no substance.

normanoffside

Queensland closing it's border to New Zealand because of a few cases in NZ. Is this how Zero Covid works? Will we have to do it every time there's a few cases in the North?


https://twitter.com/qldhealthnews/status/1364453533773303809

timmyntc

Penfailed wrote: »

He can do exactly as our fellas have done. "We're not were we need to be." ...without telling anyone any figures. I get it, there's optimism coming from the English dates but there's no substance.

There absolutely is substance - there is a hard date by which they aim to relax restrictions. If they dont meet this date for any reason, there will be an enormous amount of pressure on the govt. Accountability.

Meanwhile ours give no dates or targets so that they cant possible fail to meet the targets.

batman_oh

Just had a look through the new 'plan' and it seems that inter county travel is not permitted until we hit level 2 - as opposed to Level 3 last summer (Dublin never made 2 as far as I know).
Seeing as they have level 5 until 5th April with very gradual easing after that, it's going to be a long time before that kicks in. Absolute shambles of a government.

Boggles

normanoffside wrote: »

Is this how Zero Covid works?

This is it working.

Silentcorner

ingo1984 wrote: »

My father in his late 60s had a heart attack on Sunday. Luckily survived. Cardiologist attributed it to lack of exercise. No surprise when he's been badically imprisoned in his own home for best part of a year. Two of his friends also had heart attacks this side of Christmas. I'd hazard a guess for the very same reason. It's gotten to the stage with people's health that they are literally robbing Peter to pay Paul. May be solving one health problem but only creating other health problems.

I hope your dad recovers, it's been one of my criticisms of this whole charade, why were the over 70s not encouraged to get out an exercise, the state has done massive damage to our elderly population, this could have been done very safely...

I would love to see media outlet count lockdown related illnesses and deaths, I won't hold my breath!!!

paw patrol

Penfailed wrote: »

He can do exactly as our fellas have done. "We're not were we need to be." ...without telling anyone any figures. I get it, there's optimism coming from the English dates but there's no substance.

he can , of course , shaft the people.
This is true of all governments. I can't deny that but I would hope with targets he needs to justify his shafting.
And with a media that represents many diverse vested interests some of them will hold the government to account.

While I don't disagree with you - it is tangential to my point all the same.

Idbatterim

Klonker wrote: »

The saddest thing of all of this situation is as bad as the government have been, and they've been terrible, they are still the best of a bad bunch. Sinn Fein, Labour, SD, PBP were all saying go with public health advise. Since Christmas this has become go for zero covid even though that is against the public health advice. If we waited until cases were near zero we could be waiting 5 years, would RBB still be saying wait to reopen the schools at that stage if that was the case?

Sinn Fein I've actually been most disappointed in as head of opposition. No criticisms about the current restrictions, nothing about construction still closed (but will be quick to fault on missing housing targets later in year), nothing about vaccines, nothing about using antigen testing in Covid hotpots, nothing about anything really apart from their easy target of quarentining arrivals. That's all they talk about. The public are obsessed with this at the moment for some reason I can't understand.

It's a really bad state of affairs when the like of the Healy Raes seem to be talking the most sense :pac:

Sf are aking the populist position on it, the way it would gave been mad for any main party to be anti abortion. Being anti high level of restrictions on this would be a very dangerous gamble, you leave yourself open to attack from the media that brainwash the masses... any way, no doubt sf will be the largest party next election, of course that tells you more about ffg incompetence than anything else...

normanoffside

Silentcorner wrote: »

I hope your dad recovers, it's been one of my criticisms of this whole charade, why were the over 70s not encouraged to get out an exercise, the state has done massive damage to our elderly population, this could have been done very safely...

I would love to see media outlet count lockdown related illnesses and deaths, I won't hold my breath!!!

Dr Glynn said at one of the press conferences recently that ‘of course’ people should get outside daily for sun and exercise. He doesn’t realise that mentioning that once as an aside is drowned out by the ‘stay at home’ message.

Windmill100000

normanoffside wrote: »

Dr Glynn said at one of the press conferences recently that ‘of course’ people should get outside daily for sun and exercise. He doesn’t realise that mentioning that once as an aside is drowned out by the ‘stay at home’ message.

Surely we are all reading similar information. Go out for essential shopping AND exercise has always been what I've seen.

Penfailed

timmyntc wrote: »

There absolutely is substance - there is a hard date by which they aim to relax restrictions. If they dont meet this date for any reason, there will be an enormous amount of pressure on the govt. Accountability.

Meanwhile ours give no dates or targets so that they cant possible fail to meet the targets.

Johnson doesn't take accountability for anything.

Russman

Has anybody clarified what restrictions next winter might mean though ?
They could be anything from full L5 like now, to say, wearing masks in shops and on public transport from November to March.
Personally I wouldn't be too worried about next winter's restrictions, with the vaccine roll out I genuinely think by late summer they'll be minimal anyway. NZ & Aus I think have pretty much said their borders will stay closed for much of the year, so I don't think normal flu will be an issue and we have vaccines for that anyway.
I know this isn't the thread for optimism, but if we come anywhere close to the percentages vaccinated by mid summer that were mentioned yesterday, that's it, its over.

normanoffside

Windmill100000 wrote: »

Surely we are all reading similar information. Go out for essential shopping AND exercise has always been what I've seen.

Yes that’s allowed, the point is it should be ‘encouraged’.

timmyntc

Penfailed wrote: »

Johnson doesn't take accountability for anything.

The fact that his plan has dates as targets means he is accountable - he can try pin the blame elsewhere but the public will blame him for the plans failings (should they fail to meet any of the targets set out)

The Irish govt didnt have the confidence to even set any targets, which isnt going down well either.

Charles Babbage

Graham wrote: »

Populism is another name for meeting the wants of people.

We largely got what we wanted for Christmas on credit with an extortionate rate of interest. We're paying it back now.

Hospitality was definitely a gamble we lost although I'd guess (anecdotally) the home was a much higher source.

People became infectious in the home in many cases because one person there had picked up the disease in the previous weeks in the hospitality.

uli84

batman_oh wrote: »

Just had a look through the new 'plan' and it seems that inter county travel is not permitted until we hit level 2 - as opposed to Level 3 last summer (Dublin never made 2 as far as I know).
Seeing as they have level 5 until 5th April with very gradual easing after that, it's going to be a long time before that kicks in. Absolute shambles of a government.

This is terrifying, honestly . People in any other country I know can go as far as they wish to RIGHT NOW

Windmill100000

normanoffside wrote: »

Yes that’s allowed, the point is it should be ‘encouraged’.

Are we not all aware of the benefits of exercising for physical and mental health?

Who needs a government to tell them that?

Russman

timmyntc wrote: »

The fact that his plan has dates as targets means he is accountable - he can try pin the blame elsewhere but the public will blame him for the plans failings (should they fail to meet any of the targets set out)

The Irish govt didnt have the confidence to even set any targets, which isnt going down well either.

Problem is once people hear a date, that's it. They don't (by choice or by nature) hear the caveats that are attached.
BoJo will talk himself out of any bother with the people because they still buy the "loveable rogue" character.

Windmill100000

Russman wrote: »

Problem is once people hear a date, that's it. They don't (by choice or by nature) hear the caveats that are attached.
BoJo will talk himself out of any bother with the people because they still buy the "loveable rogue" character.

He did say that while he was optimistic, there "were no guarantees". I think that will get him out of bother, too.

uli84

Cannot believe I am saying this but fair play to the UK and their government.

“ Prime Minister Boris Johnson has pledged an extra £400 million of funding – on top of the £300 million announced in January – as part of an education recovery plan following months of school closures.

Summer classes will be introduced for pupils who need it the most, such as incoming Year 7 pupils, while one-to-one and small group tutoring schemes will be expanded.”

What are they doing here in the meantime? Big nothing or getting worried about new variants and the ones which perhaps do not exist yet

Windmill100000

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

People who have been being told to stay at home ad nauseam for the past 11 months.

Yes, unless for essential shopping or to exercise. Were you not aware you could exercise?

richardkeiths

uli84 wrote: »

Cannot believe I am saying this but fair play to the UK and their government.

“ Prime Minister Boris Johnson has pledged an extra £400 million of funding – on top of the £300 million announced in January – as part of an education recovery plan following months of school closures.

Summer classes will be introduced for pupils who need it the most, such as incoming Year 7 pupils, while one-to-one and small group tutoring schemes will be expanded.”

would you stopped, they let countless people die going for herd immunity

Windmill100000

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

Yes, but as someone pointed out regarding BoJo above, a lot of people just hear the main message and don't pay heed to the caveats. The caveats aren't even always present.

I cant speak for everyone, of course, but I've always seen people out walking so even if I read nothing at all I would know getting out for fresh air if I wanted to was fine.

At my age I don't need to be encouraged to go for a walk for my physical or mental health. I know it's important.

I personally don't know of anyone who has not realised they could go for a walk. Perhaps there are some, but I would imagine that number to be very low.

copeyhagen

Windmill100000 wrote: »

Are we not all aware of the benefits of exercising for physical and mental health?

Who needs a government to tell them that?

I know a lot of people that are afraid to leave their house, mostly thanks to RTE

paw patrol

Windmill100000 wrote: »

Yes, unless for essential shopping or to exercise. Were you not aware you could exercise?

copeyhagen wrote: »

I know a lot of people that are afraid to leave their house, mostly thanks to RTE

over 70s were told not to leave their homes at all in the first few months.

pjohnson

Tbf if the government did start to promote excercise more vocally it'd just attract protesters to be anti-excercise aswell as anti-vax, anti-mask etc.

Windmill100000

copeyhagen wrote: »

I know a lot of people that are afraid to leave their house, mostly thanks to RTE

I remember that at the start last year and again when caes went through the roof after Christmas.

We will have to agree to disagree as I dont know a lot too afraid to go for a walk let alone leave the house.

Riodej1578

Anyone fed up with some of the main journalists out there covering Covid? I know, yes they are doing their job but seem overly keen to build their profiles.

They are the ones who leak the info - yes it's their job to give news - but they'd be the same people who criticise the government for their communication.

To me it looks like a popularity contest to an extent. I'd rather them challenge those in power when they've that chance daily.

Little rant and slightly off topic.

Tork

How many people have actually shut themselves up for all this time? In my anecdotal experience, nobody has locked themselves in their house for a year. Apart from not visiting others in their houses, the only thing they've stopped doing is shopping. Either they've started shopping online or cut down on how often they visit shops. They're still going out for their walks and are doing things outdoors.