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Covid 19 Part XXXII-215,743 ROI (4,137 deaths)111,166 NI (2,036 deaths)(22/02)Read OP

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  • #9722
    prunudo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,220 ✭✭✭prunudo


    I didn't hear it myself but I saw other posters reference an interview Matt Cooper had with Prof Staines and Killeen yesterday, seemingly they were full off doom and dismissing any effectiveness of the vaccines, basically saying we'll be in lockdown forever.

    Now they've been two of the more pessimistic 'experts' throughout this but it worries me that there may be some people or advisors behind the scenes with similar views who are in the ear of MM and senior ministers.


  • #9723
    Azatadine
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,607 ✭✭✭Azatadine


    prunudo wrote: »
    I didn't hear it myself but I saw other posters reference an interview Matt Cooper had with Prof Staines and Killeen yesterday, seemingly they were full off doom and dismissing any effectiveness of the vaccines, basically saying we'll be in lockdown forever.

    Now they've been two of the more pessimistic 'experts' throughout this but it worries me that there may be some people or advisors behind the scenes with similar views who are in the ear of MM and senior ministers.

    The media have a lot of responsibility in this by giving those two plus Ryan and McConkey air time without having a balanced contributor to debate with them. I also think its a terrible, terrible reflection on our education system in that all of these guys are scientific professors but clearly do not follow the science as it has unfolded throughout the last year. They don't seem to read or understand peer reviewed data. Terrible reflection on our education system.


  • #9724
    Happydays2020
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,677 ✭✭✭Happydays2020


    prunudo wrote: »
    I didn't hear it myself but I saw other posters reference an interview Matt Cooper had with Prof Staines and Killeen yesterday, seemingly they were full off doom and dismissing any effectiveness of the vaccines, basically saying we'll be in lockdown forever.

    Now they've been two of the more pessimistic 'experts' throughout this but it worries me that there may be some people or advisors behind the scenes with similar views who are in the ear of MM and senior ministers.

    I think Christmas has paralysed them. Plus no opposition parties are on the side of easing restrictions. I think they have lost the dressing room - they even bigged up the problem of foreigners and variants, and are now being hit over the head with it as quarantining is not in soon enough (was never easy).

    To be fair it is a delicate balancing act. There are still a lot of unknowns in terms of vaccine rollout and it is a dangerous virus. But communications really are terrible - too many voices, too many different opinions, a truly negative and doom loving RTÉ etc etc.


  • #9725
    Sweet.Science
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,079 ✭✭✭Sweet.Science


    How can schools open when society is shut down indefinitely ?

    What is going on


  • #9726
    Jinglejangle69
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,179 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    lawred2 wrote: »
    What?

    Donnely had to tweet last night that he lied again.

    Talks have concluded with the unions and looks like next week.

    Jesus the communication again.

    They are way out of their depth.


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  • #9727
    tom1ie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,127 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    Can anyone link to the vaccine rollout site (I presume there is one?).
    I presume this site will tell us by what date each group of people will have been administered/offered a vaccine in Ireland?


  • #9728
    KrustyUCC
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,087 ✭✭✭KrustyUCC


    The so called plan has been heavily leaked I the examiner

    "March will see getting children back to school, the reopening of childcare, and addressing the non-Covid backlog in hospitals as the main priorities;"

    "Senior Government sources, speaking to the Irish Examiner, said the lifting of the 5km rule is unlikely before May. This, they said, is partly because the rent eviction moratorium is linked to the 5km rule."

    Very convenient for the government
    People stuck with 5km rule for 5 months minimum

    "Personal services and non-essential retail will not return before April"

    They won't before May either

    "It will be “much later” into the summer before any relaxation in hospitality is likely and indoor dining is “still in doubt", sources said;"

    No hospitality for at least six months of the year
    The government instead prefer to keep borrowing billions to keep those industries shut

    We won't even be able to sit down with a coffee for six months

    No mention of outdoor dining

    If we're good we may see golf and tennis and maybe visitors to a garden in April

    No dates
    No metrics for easing restrictions
    No plan really just a review in April after Easter

    I'm certainly not going to stay within 5km for 5 months +

    While their plan might not come to fruition going to be done change in message from one delivered in the UK to Martin today


  • #9729
    Jinglejangle69
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,179 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    5km because of eviction bans???

    What sort of nonsense is this??


  • #9730
    KrustyUCC
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,087 ✭✭✭KrustyUCC


    Sweet.Science wrote: »
    How can schools open when society is shut down indefinitely ?

    What is going on

    Society is keeping shut down so schools can return

    The education of children is a priority


  • #9731
    lawred2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,784 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    Jesus Christ...


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  • #9732
    Jinglejangle69
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,179 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    Now I'm reading April the 5th could see easing of some restrictions.

    Maybe we should just wait for the announcement.


  • #9733
    KrustyUCC
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,087 ✭✭✭KrustyUCC


    Jinglejangle69 wrote: »
    5km because of eviction bans???

    What sort of nonsense is this??

    Exactly

    They're linked the eviction ban to national public health emergency

    Once we go over 5km the eviction ban ends

    Rather conveniently instead of amending legislation they'll keep the 5km limit until May


  • #9734
    KrustyUCC
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,087 ✭✭✭KrustyUCC


    Jinglejangle69 wrote: »
    Now I'm reading April the 5th could see easing of some restrictions.

    Maybe we should just wait for the announcement.

    Tennis, golf and maybe meeting in a garden

    Hardly anything to look forward to if you don't play either sport

    Meeting in gardens will be happen well before Easter


  • #9735
    Happydays2020
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,677 ✭✭✭Happydays2020


    KrustyUCC wrote: »
    Exactly

    They're linked the eviction ban to national public health emergency

    Once we go over 5km the eviction ban ends

    Rather conveniently instead of amending legislation they'll keep the 5km limit until May

    That linking of the eviction ban to the 5km limit is a classic sign of the policy makers in a bubble. No one is realising how ridiculous it is. Surely they can find another way to protect people for a few more months.


  • #9736
    KrustyUCC
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,087 ✭✭✭KrustyUCC


    Happydays2020 wrote: »
    That linking of the eviction ban to the 5km limit is a classic sign of the policy makers in a bubble. No one is realising how ridiculous it is. Surely they can find another way to protect people for a few more months.

    To get around property rights they linked the ban to 5km limit

    Now they're using the eviction ban to keep in place the 5km limit

    Genius from the government


  • #9737
    Sweet.Science
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,079 ✭✭✭Sweet.Science


    KrustyUCC wrote: »
    Society is keeping shut down so schools can return

    The education of children is a priority

    Oh great . Will we stop allowing them months off every summer now aswel ?


  • #9738
    lawred2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,784 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    Sweet.Science wrote: »
    Oh great . Will we stop allowing them months off every summer now aswel ?

    What on earth are you babbling on about?


  • #9739
    WoollyRedHat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,462 ✭✭✭✭WoollyRedHat


    Sorry how is what is being quoted in Irish Examiner a plan? Also if the real reason that they have to keep the 5km is because of eviction legislation, then that's the 5k done for even for most reasonable people.

    ETA: If what is being quoted in Irish Examiner is true, then it's really not a 'Living with Covid' plan but a 'Wait for the lifeboats to come' strategy...


  • #9740
    iamwhoiam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,265 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    I dont understand the reason for the 5km and eviction ban ? What am I missing ?


  • #9741
    Sweet.Science
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,079 ✭✭✭Sweet.Science


    lawred2 wrote: »
    What on earth are you babbling on about?

    Few months every year off is fine . Isn't now though . No 1 priority . It's just a political decision to keep disgruntled parents happy


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  • #9742
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 10,049 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    iamwhoiam wrote: »
    I dont understand the reason for the 5km and eviction ban ? What am I missing ?

    The eviction ban is in force in law only when distance restrictions are in place


  • #9743
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Sweet.Science wrote: »
    Few months every year off is fine . Isn't now though . No 1 priority . It's just a political decision to keep disgruntled parents happy

    Are you really this clueless to the importance of education and the school environment to children?


  • #9744
    KrustyUCC
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,087 ✭✭✭KrustyUCC


    https://twitter.com/RTENewsPaulC/status/1364113349819121665

    It seems the government can put dates together after all


  • #9745
    iamwhoiam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,265 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    Deleted User wrote: »
    The eviction ban is in force in law only when distance restrictions are in place
    But they could then increase to 20k as that is also a restriction ?


  • #9746
    WoollyRedHat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,462 ✭✭✭✭WoollyRedHat


    iamwhoiam wrote: »
    But they could then increase to 20k as that is also a restriction ?

    Apparently no, because the idiots tied it to 5K. I think you can blame FG on that one.


  • #9747
    Sweet.Science
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,079 ✭✭✭Sweet.Science


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    Are you really this clueless to the importance of education and the school environment to children?

    When it suits I assume ? Why is this not brought up every year when they have months off ?


  • #9748
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Sweet.Science wrote: »
    When it suits I assume ? Why is this not brought up every year when they have months off ?

    Children have been out of the classroom since December , I 'm curious what should take priority over education in your opinion and why?


  • #9749
    tom1ie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,127 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    tom1ie wrote: »
    Can anyone link to the vaccine rollout site (I presume there is one?).
    I presume this site will tell us by what date each group of people will have been administered/offered a vaccine in Ireland?

    Anyone?


  • #9750
    Azatadine
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,607 ✭✭✭Azatadine


    KrustyUCC wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/RTENewsPaulC/status/1364113349819121665

    It seems the government can put dates together after all

    Donnelly really is such a car crash. That was completely inept last night.


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  • #9751
    Busi_Girl08
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,579 ✭✭✭✭Busi_Girl08


    Jinglejangle69 wrote: »
    5km because of eviction bans???

    What sort of nonsense is this??

    If that's true then they can watch compliance fall through the floor. I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt before this evening, but do they seriously think no one can see through the stupid excuses/deflections they're coming up with?


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