Relaxation of Restrictions, Part IX Read OP For Mod Warnings

Graham · 22-02-2021 08:13PM

paddyisreal wrote: »

No one is suggesting anything, the government are paid enough to do that. The fact here is that the government plan for tomorrow is now in tatters and no use to them anymore. What Boris has announced will result in our crowd having to act more professionally and get everything open quicker.

So you have no idea at all how we could increase the vaccine supply but the government should magic up millions of vaccines from somewhere or just reopen the economy regardless?

What Boris has done (remarkably well) is bought the UK out of the pandemic. Fair play to him too I genuinely hope it works. It certainly looks promising.

We're not in a position to do that unless we want to threaten the supplies already allocated to us while simultaneously launching a bidding war against countries with much bigger budgets and much deeper pockets.

ypres5 · 22-02-2021 08:16PM

hynesie08 wrote: »

Shhhhhhh...... I want to see the confusion when they get off the enterprise in Belfast.

i think it's more down to the fact that people often say uk even when they're just referring to just England but nitpickers gotta nitpick

Lundstram · 22-02-2021 08:16PM

CruelSummer wrote: »

RTÉ's attempt at downplaying the U.K. reopening plan on Drive Time with Sarah McInerney and Boucher Hayes is laughable if it wasn't so serious. But but...what about the variants? Is this too fast? Can someone please find us a hole to poke in these positive plans for the love of God...pathetic stuff.

Independent also peddling Tomás Ryan BS statement re schools as their main headline. A neuroscientist who's also a Zero Covid extremist given airtime on RTÉ and pushed by the Independent. No voices of reason to be heard on this side of the Irish sea unfortunately.

Just came on to post pretty much the same spiel except this was Matt Cooper's show this evening. He had two idiots on, again didn't catch their names nor do I care 'cos everyone seems to be an expert on these radio miseryfests.

One of the rambling idiots was asked did he think the vaccines would end this, no he said because the Brazilian variant is not covered by the vaccine. No evidence presented nor was he asked to explain himself. Just free rein to spout the usual bullsh1t.

The other idiot laughed at the UK's optimism and dismissed their timeline. He also said Boris is rolling the dice to save his career after the huge numbers they had last year.

So all in all, a cheerful drive home.

Matt Cooper rivaling Claire Byrne for the virtue signaller of the year. He has a texter ranting at him for not questioning the guests and he replied in a pretty angry manner, he said "we can't pretend these aren't issues, I don't want to lead listeners astray". Coming out with that after letting two morons ramble on unabated was pretty ironic.

thebaz · 22-02-2021 08:17PM

Graham wrote: »

So you have no idea at all how we could increase the vaccine supply but the government should magic up millions of vaccines from somewhere or just reopen the economy regardless?

What Boris has done (remarkably well) is bought the UK out of the pandemic. Fair play to him too I genuinely hope it works. It certainly looks promising.

We're not in a position to do that unless we want to threaten the supplies already allocated to us while simultaneously launching a bidding war against countries with much bigger budgets and much deeper pockets.

You seam very appologetic of our vaccine procurement program, someone is responsible for our sluggish procurement and rollout of vaccines.

peterc1991 · 22-02-2021 08:18PM

paddyisreal wrote: »

If Boris's grand reopening plan works we will have to follow very quickly. Will anyone on the border counties listen to a 5k limit when the pubs/shops are open across the road, i think not

We dont have to follow anyone.

We will be not far behind them. People will proably cross the border but we will still wait another month ro that to open.

We cant vacinate at the same rate as the UK. We will be vaccinated 250k a week in April. We will be out of this come July. Stop whinging.

paddyisreal · 22-02-2021 08:20PM

Graham wrote: »

So you have no idea at all how we could increase the vaccine supply but the government should magic up millions of vaccines from somewhere or just reopen the economy regardless?

What Boris has done (remarkably well) is bought the UK out of the pandemic. Fair play to him too I genuinely hope it works. It certainly looks promising.

We're not in a position to do that unless we want to threaten the supplies already allocated to us while simultaneously launching a bidding war against countries with much bigger budgets and much deeper pockets.

why are you going on about me telling the government where to source vaccines ?? What am i saying is that the criteria for reopening will change dramatically/lessen when NI opens and that is a fact - there is no way around it.
Do you think we should stay shut until the whole country is vaccinated ? having over 70s vaccinated and coming into warmer months should aloow us to move to a much lower level without the pressure being on sourcing vaccines.

MOR316 · 22-02-2021 08:20PM

peterc1991 wrote: »

We dont have to follow anyone.

We will be not far behind them. People will proably cross the border but we will still wait another month ro that to open.

We cant vacinate at the same rate as the UK. We will be vaccinated 250k a week in April. We will be out of this come July. Stop whinging.

Why would they cross the boarder?

It's the plan for England, not Northern Ireland

peterc1991 · 22-02-2021 08:21PM

thebaz wrote: »

You seam very appologetic of our vaccine procurement program, someone is responsible for our sluggish procurement and rollout of vaccines.

The EU. We have one of the best rates in the world.
Its felt slow enough so far but we are picking it up now.

Graham · 22-02-2021 08:22PM

thebaz wrote: »

You seam very appologetic of our vaccine procurement program, someone is responsible for our sluggish procurement and rollout of vaccines.

So given our size and lack of homegrown vaccines how would you have approached vaccine procurement differently.

Should we have gone toe-to-toe with France/Germany/Italy/US? Night raids on vaccine manufacturing facilities?

Genuinely curious to know.

thebaz · 22-02-2021 08:23PM

peterc1991 wrote: »

The EU. We have one of the best rates in the world.
Its felt slow enough so far but we are picking it up now.

Hopefully , but its slow , Denmark is in the EU and they hope to vaccianate everyone by June - same size country as us.

MethMartin · 22-02-2021 08:25PM

retro:electro wrote: »

I’m very interested to see how this will be spun tomorrow especially knowing Boris has told the public he intends on being restriction free by June. How can our lot reasonably justify not even having personal services open by then, knowing that information.

They'll blame it on variants while saying 'cautious' a hundreds of times.

thebaz · 22-02-2021 08:26PM

Graham wrote: »

Night raids on vaccine manufacturing facilities?

Genuinely curious to know.

You seam so smug with our vaccination program - Probably content to lockdown until September.
Maybe look at theDenmark model.

hynesie08 · 22-02-2021 08:28PM

thebaz wrote: »

You seam so smug with our vaccination program - Probably content to lockdown until September.
Maybe look at theDenmark model.

What is the denmark model?

22-02-2021 08:31PM

thebaz wrote: »

You seam so smug with our vaccination program - Probably content to lockdown until September.
Maybe look at theDenmark model.

You do know the Denmark model is full of holes? Correct?
If this, and if that, then everyone will be vaccinated real soon.
Their plan includes a vaccine that has not yet been approved, and everything other delivery arriving as promised.

MethMartin · 22-02-2021 08:32PM

Graham wrote: »

So given our size and lack of homegrown vaccines how would you have approached vaccine procurement differently.

Should we have gone toe-to-toe with France/Germany/Italy/US? Night raids on vaccine manufacturing facilities?

Genuinely curious to know.

Let's be honest we would've working out a deal with the UK and getting our vaccines of them.

paddyisreal · 22-02-2021 08:32PM

thebaz wrote: »

You seam so smug with our vaccination program - Probably content to lockdown until September.
Maybe look at theDenmark model.

Yes the Government of Denmark released an ambitous plan and gave people a bit of hope - also there schools have been open and never closed by using antigen testing. A good piece of governance in both instances. They even had staycations during there winter breaks !

MOR316 · 22-02-2021 08:32PM

hynesie08 wrote: »

What is the denmark model?

Helena Christensen

thebaz · 22-02-2021 08:33PM

hynesie08 wrote: »

What is the denmark model?

https://www.thelocal.dk/20210215/den...tion-programme

paddyisreal · 22-02-2021 08:33PM

Deleted User wrote: »

You do know the Denmark model is full of holes? Correct?
If this, and if that, then everyone will be vaccinated real soon.
Their plan includes a vaccine that has not yet been approved, and everything other delivery arriving as promised.

you do know that Denmark never closed schools/creches so i would have more faith in any of there proposals than anything over here....

hynesie08 · 22-02-2021 08:34PM

thebaz wrote: »

https://www.thelocal.dk/20210215/den...tion-programme

That's a prediction, not a model. It's also based on 2 vaccines that haven't been approved yet.

22-02-2021 08:36PM

paddyisreal wrote: »

you do know that Denmark never closed schools/creches so i would have more faith in any of there proposals than anything over here....

Denmark never hit 6000 cases per day

Graham · 22-02-2021 08:36PM

thebaz wrote: »

You seam so smug with our vaccination program - Probably content to lockdown until September.
Maybe look at theDenmark model.

Not smug at all, I'd be delighted if someone worked out how to increase our vaccine supply rapidly. Who wouldn't?

22-02-2021 08:36PM

The UK roadmap to reopening has certain posters dwelling this forum in an apoplectic state. The sheer disgust that the likes of Boris Johnson could show up their beloved Irish government. Imagine being so resolutely miserable that the first instinct is to frantically downplay the UK's progress. You know something, I don't care if it's Bojo, a cackling Farage or some monster raving looney they are getting things DONE. Their speedy delivery of vaccines rightly has been lauded. Now here's the good news: this will serve as a catalyst in embarrassing our so-called leaders into affirmative action. If one wishes to twist that into a negative they need to take a long look at themselves in the mirror.

Mental Mickey · 22-02-2021 08:36PM

Apologies if it's already been covered, but wasn't there meant to be a NPHET press conference today? Was it cancelled as a mark of respect to Tony Holohan's wife?

thebaz · 22-02-2021 08:36PM

Deleted User wrote: »

You do know the Denmark model is full of holes? Correct?
If this, and if that, then everyone will be vaccinated real soon.

Like most things I have read or followed about this virus - whether its masks / variants/ mortality rates

Graham · 22-02-2021 08:39PM

MethMartin wrote: »

Let's be honest we would've working out a deal with the UK and getting our vaccines of them.

I still hold out a hope that may happen. I don't think the UK would have considered sharing with anyone until the UK population were covered.

Silentcorner · 22-02-2021 08:39PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Denmark never hit 6000 cases per day

Did they have a stricter lock down than us ya?

ypres5 · 22-02-2021 08:39PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

The UK roadmap to reopening has certain posters dwelling this forum in an apoplectic state. The sheer disgust that the likes of Boris Johnson could show up their beloved Irish government. Imagine being so resolutely miserable that the first instinct is to frantically downplay the UK's progress. You know something, I don't care if it's Bojo, a cackling Farage or some monster raving looney they are getting things DONE. Their speedy delivery of vaccines rightly has been lauded. Now here's the good news: this will serve as a catalyst in embarrassing our so-called leaders into affirmative action. If one wishes to twist that into a negative they need to take a long look at themselves in the mirror.

now now Bertie someone will be along shortly to tell you it's just England's plan and not the whole of britains plan. because that tiny nitpick makes a world of difference to some people

hynesie08 · 22-02-2021 08:40PM

Mental Mickey wrote: »

Apologies if it's already been covered, but wasn't there meant to be a NPHET press conference today? Was it cancelled as a mark of respect to Tony Holohan's wife?

https://twitter.com/nicole_gernon/status/1363906646309748746?s=20

Stheno · 22-02-2021 08:40PM

Mental Mickey wrote: »

Apologies if it's already been covered, but wasn't there meant to be a NPHET press conference today? Was it cancelled as a mark of respect to Tony Holohan's wife?

No. They are at the Cabinet subcommittee meeting

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