Relaxation of Restrictions, Part IX *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

FintanMcluskey

Hellrazer wrote: »

Boris lockdown announcement.





Very interesting that he announces all measure potentially ended by 21st June.

How much of this roadmap will Ireland copy word for word?

I have full confidence Ireland will copy the roadmap with the exception of the 21 date.

More likely to be 2023

RobitTV

RobitTV wrote: »

UK Roadmap:

Look at June. Incredible.

They are doing f all until mid april, aside from schools, which we are also doing, and care home visits, which we already have

paw patrol

Hellrazer wrote: »

The only thing is the UK announcement might put pressure on our lot to move things along at a faster pace. They`ll look like the fools they are if they dont.

agreed but hasn't stopped them in the past.
Nphet won't like losing their grip

retro:electro

Micheál right now, raging at the fact that the plan he had intended to copy is too positive, too progressive and doesn’t mention the words “new variants”, “cautious” or “conservative”

d161

Hellrazer wrote: »

The only thing is the UK announcement might put pressure on our lot to move things along at a faster pace. They`ll look like the fools they are if they dont.

They couldn't look any worse than they did Thursday to Saturday?

That was staggering!

Tork

Well, that has certainly set the cat amongst the pigeons. I wouldn't be putting much money on that schedule being met but at least it's a plan and something to give people hope. Boris is a bluffer so I would wonder how much science is actually behind that? The more Irish people see that though, the more there will be a desire for us to have something similar. It's going to get messy with us having Northern Ireland just up the road from Dublin. Perhaps that might concentrate minds down here?

Everybody I have spoken to is really fed up with these lockdowns, frustrated at the glacial roll-out of the vaccine, and annoyed at the appalling communication from the government. While there is a general acceptance that restrictions were needed (spike at Christmas is proof of what happens when people throw the advice out the window), there's definitely fatigue. It isn't helpful when you have people coming out in the media speculating that you might be able to stand on a beach in August or eat outdoors in October. They need to synchronize their message and produce a sexy graphic like Boris's one.

paw patrol

Whiplash85 wrote: »

At least they have something to aim towards. In Ireland we would get the usual antromorphisation of the virus with something like "The virus doesn't respect plans or know what date it is". You know the usual bull****.

I'm not sure how much we will follow but if Northern Ireland go for something similar which is quite conceivable it would leave Irelands leaked plans (if I am reading between the lines correctly" untenable. I doubt there would be as much disparity in personal freedoms on one island anywhere in the world save North Korea/South Korea.

not gonna lie
you've given me a new word i had to look up antromorphisation

my IQ has risen.:pac:

kilkenny31

Tork wrote: »

Well, that has certainly set the cat amongst the pigeons. I wouldn't be putting much money on that schedule being met but at least it's a plan and something to give people hope. Boris is a bluffer so I would wonder how much science is actually behind that? The more Irish people see that though, the more there will be a desire for us to have something similar. It's going to get messy with us having Northern Ireland just up the road from Dublin. Perhaps that might concentrate minds down here?

Everybody I have spoken to is really fed up with these lockdowns, frustrated at the glacial roll-out of the vaccine, and annoyed at the appalling communication from the government. While there is a general acceptance that restrictions were needed (spike at Christmas is proof of what happens when people throw the advice out the window), there's definitely fatigue. It isn't helpful when you have people coming out in the media speculating that you might be able to stand on a beach in August or eat outdoors in October. They need to synchronize their message and produce a sexy graphic like Boris's one.

I think it will be met. Chris Whitty was talking last week about what level of death is acceptable so it seems that they are going with the theory that they will have vaccinated a good chunk of the population so the mortality rate should be below an acceptable level. They mentioned 30k that the flu kills every year.

ninebeanrows

For Ireland's roadmap please add 3 months to that indicated in the UK publications.

ENDS

Hellrazer

ninebeanrows wrote: »

For Ireland's roadmap please add 3 months to that indicated in the UK publications.

ENDS

Months?

I was thinking years!!

Whatsisname

Tork wrote: »

Well, that has certainly set the cat amongst the pigeons. I wouldn't be putting much money on that.

Just wanted to highlight this part of your post. I get it, the Tory's are liars and I can't stand them, but nobody thought the vaccination target at the 15th of February would be met and it was smashed. They seem to be shifting towards "under promise, over deliver" now. Maybe I'm foolish for allowing myself to be a bit optimistic but I honestly didn't expect June to be the removal of all restrictions, I have a gig booked in September that I didn't expect to happen so I'm pleasantly surprised.

However, as I mentioned earlier, this plan has been met with frustration and anger going by the Coronavirus UK sub. I think those dates, especially for retail/bars/barbers/gyms are overly cautious and he'll be under pressure to bring it forward. Hospitalisations/deaths were very low last summer, they'll be even lower this summer with vaccines + immunity.

cjyid

At least the UK have things to look forward too, psychological wise....

timmyntc

Whatsisname wrote: »

Just wanted to highlight this part of your post. I get it, the Tory's are liars and I can't stand them, but nobody thought the vaccination target at the 15th of February would be met and it was smashed. They seem to be shifting towards "under promise, over deliver" now. Maybe I'm foolish for allowing myself to be a bit optimistic but I honestly didn't expect June to be the removal of all restrictions, I have a gig booked in September that I didn't expect to happen so I'm pleasantly surprised.

However, as I mentioned earlier, this plan has been met with frustration and anger going by the Coronavirus UK sub. I think those dates, especially for retail/bars/barbers/gyms are overly cautious and he'll be under pressure to bring it forward. Hospitalisations/deaths were very low last summer, they'll be even lower this summer with vaccines + immunity.

Yes - with the massive vaccination effort over there, by April cases will be dropping fast, hospitalisations will fall off a cliff - remember those admitted to hospital are majority older and these are the group to be priority vaccinated, so even if most of the population are not vaccinated and there are still a lot of cases, the fact that the old & vulnerable have been vaccinated will really crush hospital numbers.

Whatsisname

Whatsisname wrote: »

Just wanted to highlight this part of your post. I get it, the Tory's are liars and I can't stand them, but nobody thought the vaccination target at the 15th of February would be met and it was smashed. They seem to be shifting towards "under promise, over deliver" now. Maybe I'm foolish for allowing myself to be a bit optimistic but I honestly didn't expect June to be the removal of all restrictions, I have a gig booked in September that I didn't expect to happen so I'm pleasantly surprised.

However, as I mentioned earlier, this plan has been met with frustration and anger going by the Coronavirus UK sub. I think those dates, especially for retail/bars/barbers/gyms are overly cautious and he'll be under pressure to bring it forward. Hospitalisations/deaths were very low last summer, they'll be even lower this summer with vaccines + immunity.

Considering that the vaccine seems to prevent 90+% of deaths in the demographics that makes up 95+% of deaths, I'd say they're being over-cautious with the plan and intend to move it forward as the effects of the vaccination make themselves known.

Whatever else you think of him, Nadhim Zahawi seems to have done a stellar job of managing the vaccine rollout. He's primed for a future run at PM as things stand.

Necro

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Tork

The vaccine is key to us opening up here. That, and that UK schedule will hopefully accelerate things here. Also, the government are politicians and the would like to get re-elected. I'm sure they'll have heard the changing mood music.

CruelSummer

RTÉ's attempt at downplaying the U.K. reopening plan on Drive Time with Sarah McInerney and Boucher Hayes is laughable if it wasn't so serious. But but...what about the variants? Is this too fast? Can someone please find us a hole to poke in these positive plans for the love of God...pathetic stuff.

Independent also peddling Tomás Ryan BS statement re schools as their main headline. A neuroscientist who's also a Zero Covid extremist given airtime on RTÉ and pushed by the Independent. No voices of reason to be heard on this side of the Irish sea unfortunately.

Elessar

No sign of either the UK restrictions announcement or the positive Scottish vaccination study on RTE or The Irish Times websites.

Says it all really.

Corby Trouser Press

CruelSummer wrote: »

RTÉ's attempt at downplaying the U.K. reopening plan on Drive Time with Sarah McInerney and Boucher Hayes is laughable if it wasn't so serious. But but...what about the variants? Is this too fast? Can someone please find us a hole to poke in these positive plans for the love of God...pathetic stuff.

Independent also peddling Tomás Ryan BS statement re schools as their main headline. A neuroscientist who's also a Zero Covid extremist given airtime on RTÉ and pushed by the Independent. No voices of reason to be heard on this side of the Irish sea unfortunately.

I would say it is absolutely killing them in RTE that Boris & the Tories are delivering a spectacularly successful vaccine rollout.

Bad Man Boris caricature takes some rolling back from!

Graham

Tork wrote: »

The vaccine is key to us opening up here.

+1

I'd say it's one of the two key numbers.

Tork wrote: »

That, and that UK schedule will hopefully accelerate things here.

I don't see it unless our vaccine supply increases dramatically.

Our problem isn't that we can't vaccinate people fast enough. It's that we just don't have enough vaccines.

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000

CruelSummer wrote: »

RTÉ's attempt at downplaying the U.K. reopening plan on Drive Time with Sarah McInerney and Boucher Hayes is laughable if it wasn't so serious. But but...what about the variants? Is this too fast? Can someone please find us a hole to poke in these positive plans for the love of God...pathetic stuff.

Independent also peddling Tomás Ryan BS statement re schools as their main headline. A neuroscientist who's also a Zero Covid extremist given airtime on RTÉ and pushed by the Independent. No voices of reason to be heard on this side of the Irish sea unfortunately.

It's posts like this that warm my heart. People are starting to see through the BS.

Whatsisname

Deleted User wrote: »

Considering that the vaccine seems to prevent 90+% of deaths in the demographics that makes up 95+% of deaths, I'd say they're being over-cautious with the plan and intend to move it forward as the effects of the vaccination make themselves known.

Whatever else you think of him, Nadhim Zahawi seems to have done a stellar job of managing the vaccine rollout. He's primed for a future run at PM as things stand.

Thats what I'm hoping alright. All metrics are dropping considerably and the vaccinations are ramping up, I can't see hospitalisations/deaths increasing from here on out. They wouldn't turn down the opportunity of a good PR spin either!

Silentcorner

CruelSummer wrote: »

RTÉ's attempt at downplaying the U.K. reopening plan on Drive Time with Sarah McInerney and Boucher Hayes is laughable if it wasn't so serious. But but...what about the variants? Is this too fast? Can someone please find us a hole to poke in these positive plans for the love of God...pathetic stuff.

Independent also peddling Tomás Ryan BS statement re schools as their main headline. A neuroscientist who's also a Zero Covid extremist given airtime on RTÉ and pushed by the Independent. No voices of reason to be heard on this side of the Irish sea unfortunately.

At what point does a person consider RTE content dangerous?

Zero Covid is madness...

Stop testing healthy people for Covid should be our next step. Stop the daily case numbers reports.

The mental health of the nation needs to be considered, I may be mistaken I'm willing to bet they don't talk about the consequences of pumping anxiety into people every day!

ArmaniJeanss

Elessar wrote: »

No sign of either the UK restrictions announcement or the positive Scottish vaccination study on RTE or The Irish Times websites.

Says it all really.

It's literally the number one lead item on the RTE website.
https://www.rte.ie/news/

Multipass

Graham wrote: »

+1

I'd say it's one of the two key numbers.



I don't see it unless our vaccine supply increases dramatically.

Our problem isn't that we can't vaccinate people fast enough. It's that we just don't have enough vaccines.

We could vaccinate more people with one dose

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/call-for-spread-of-pfizer-vaccine-doses-as-study-shows-high-protection-of-one-shot-1.4491808

FintanMcluskey

Graham wrote: »

+1

I'd say it's one of the two key numbers.



I don't see it unless our vaccine supply increases dramatically.

Our problem isn't that we can't vaccinate people fast enough. It's that we just don't have enough vaccines.

The year is 2076

Graham continues to defend Ireland’s tortoise paced reopening strategy

He’s just realised he’s one of only 3 people left inhabiting the island

Graham

Multipass wrote: »

We could vaccinate more people with one dose

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/call-for-spread-of-pfizer-vaccine-doses-as-study-shows-high-protection-of-one-shot-1.4491808

We could, I'd be surprised if it wasn't under consideration.

It would still be a fairly low number until deliveries of the Pfizer vaccine ramp up.

Multipass

And whilst browsing the IT

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/one-third-of-population-not-staying-within-10km-of-home-1.4491664
One-third of population not staying within 10km of home

Bless them, they’ve even made a county by county table so we can obsess over who’s being naughtiest.

CruelSummer

Silentcorner wrote: »

At what point does a person consider RTE content dangerous?

Zero Covid is madness...

Stop testing healthy people for Covid should be our next step. Stop the daily case numbers reports.

The mental health of the nation needs to be considered, I may be mistaken I'm willing to bet they don't talk about the consequences of pumping anxiety into people every day!

And what do you know, I've just gotten a notification to my phone from the Independent with what to expect in our 'plan'.
'Boris may have said what he said Paddy, but THIS is all you're getting and don't dare think otherwise'. Kevin Doyle from the Independent on Claire Byrne earlier defended the 'leaks' saying they're needed to 'soften people up' and stated 5km to stay until MAY. I'm quite stumped at how much the Irish public will take from our masters and commanders.

bryangiggsy

Graham wrote: »

+1

I'd say it's one of the two key numbers.



I don't see it unless our vaccine supply increases dramatically.

Our problem isn't that we can't vaccinate people fast enough. It's that we just don't have enough vaccines.

I disagree. Our vaccine supply is increasing dramatically over the next number of weeks..i read somewhere 250,000 a week within a month. They hope to have all over 70's done by May. Given the winter surge is over the weather is getting better (less indoor mingling and immunity and Vit D levels at lowest at the height of winter) this thing is going to get hammered as the months go on ..and McConkey and Tomas Ryan and the negative press will have to find something else to be miserable about. I believe a return to normality is a lot closer than we think.