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Covid 19 Part XXXII-215,743 ROI (4,137 deaths)111,166 NI (2,036 deaths)(22/02)Read OP

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  • #9452
    TheDoctor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,980 ✭✭✭TheDoctor


    MrMusician18 wrote: »
    Deaths are something of a meaningless metric when it comes to current progress, given that these can have happened up to three months ago.

    The hospital report and to a lesser extent case numbers are more telling when it comes to indicating progress.

    Hospitalisations are the real metric. Hopefully get the big Monday drop again tonight


  • #9453
    Arghus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,339 ✭✭✭✭Arghus


    Whiplash85 wrote: »
    Its aspirational and offers hope. Something to aim for.

    Carrying on like this is simply unsustainable. Public compliance is dissipating fast. We have to have dates for reopening otherwise all public good will be gone.

    Like I've said, I do hope the UK's plans succeed, but I think a dose of scepticism is required. This is Boris Johnson, the man's track record with plans and promises related to Covid is not so good. He's still the same guy, he hasn't become suddenly competent overnight. "All restrictions could be gone by June 21" - Do you believe that?

    I agree people need goals and aspirations, but the UK plans are very, very optimistic and some people on here - who no doubt have a self image of hard bitten cynical realism - are fawning over Boris and Co like naive fangirls.


  • #9454
    celt262
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,776 ✭✭✭celt262


    What time will the leaks start about the "Living with Covid" plan?


  • #9455
    Stheno
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,685 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    celt262 wrote: »
    What time will the leaks start about the "Living with Covid" plan?

    I'd say about 8:15 when they break for dinner :D

    My money is on either Michael Lehane or Gav Reilly to be first


  • #9456
    pc7
    Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 14,292 Mod ✭✭✭✭pc7


    celt262 wrote: »
    What time will the leaks start about the "Living with Covid" plan?

    Surprised it isn’t live streamed its usually out so quick.


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  • #9457
    UsBus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,389 ✭✭✭UsBus


    The 5k rule is going out the window fast. Based on recent numbers there is no case for maintaining it outside of Dublin, however that probably won't go down too well.


  • #9458
    MrMusician18
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,154 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    TheDoctor wrote: »
    Hospitalisations are the real metric. Hopefully get the big Monday drop again tonight
    Fingers crossed. There is everything to be hopeful for, even if this thread forgets that - especially when it bangs on about plans, dates and targets.


  • #9459
    mloc123
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,445 ✭✭✭mloc123


    Stheno wrote: »
    I'd say about 8:15 when they break for dinner :D

    My money is on either Michael Lehane or Gav Reilly to be first

    Leo might have his phone in under the table...


  • #9460
    Turtwig
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »
    Tangible benefit from the vaccination program as so many health care workers are vaccinated.

    At the NPHET briefing last week Colm Henry said the reduction in community spread was the significant factor.


  • #9461
    blowitupref
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,169 ✭✭✭blowitupref


    PmMeUrDogs wrote: »
    1 death
    686 cases.

    Are deaths starting to slow even more?

    Yes. 7 day average in deaths is 27, last Monday it was 40 per day and the peak was 60 per day average at the start of this month.


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  • #9462
    marno21
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,709 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    I had the radio on in the car and I switched from Capital Liverpool’s news about nightclubs reopening back to Today FM shortly after 5. 20 minutes of Staines & Killeen telling us Level 5 until autumn, vaccines won’t work in the medium term and the only answer is a Zero-Covid approach. The words “broken” and “record” come to mind.

    If this shíte continues uncontested daily on the radio it’s going to ensure people stop complying with restrictions and drive morale down even lower. It’s downright irresponsible to have this on all the time. I sat in to the car at 9am this morning and the top story on local news here was Sam McConkey saying the vaccines were useless because of variants. I flicked to Newstalk for 20 minutes of Luke O’Neill giddily telling us about how it’s coming to an end and science is taking us one step closer with every passing day.

    The clear plan outlined by the UK (including the caveat of metrics needing to be met) is the right way to go here. It may be ambitious, but the people are at their wits end and it gives them light at the end of the tunnel. Meanwhile I may be able to watch Brits in the pub on Twitter whilst being 5.5km away from home in May if I’m lucky.


  • #9463
    MrMusician18
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,154 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    Arghus wrote: »
    Like I've said, I do hope the UK's plans succeed, but I think a dose of scepticism is required. This is Boris Johnson, the man's track record with plans and promises related to Covid is not so good. He's still the same guy, he hasn't become suddenly competent overnight. "All restrictions could be gone by June 21" - Do you believe that?

    I agree people need goals and aspirations, but the UK plans are very, very optimistic and some people on here - who no doubt have a self image of hard bitten cynical realism - are fawning over Boris and Co like naive fangirls.

    The usual suspects are fawning over Johnson now because they have long held that the approach the government has taken was the wrong one. There are "let it rip" merchants on here, don't forget.

    Anything, anything that potentially casts a poor light or question on our policy is to be used as a stick to beat it with. 200 posts back they were using mental health as the stick.

    This is just more of the same.


  • #9464
    mcburns07
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,426 ✭✭✭mcburns07


    Can anyone explain how given that the supposedly much more transmissable British variant is now the majority of cases in Ireland, Cork has still managed to get cases down from one of the highest incidences at the start of Jan to second lowest now?

    (Apart from us being great down here :) )


  • #9465
    SeaMermaid
    Closed Accounts Posts: 62 ✭✭SeaMermaid


    People thinking and writing on public forums that they are done with the pandemic and restrictions once all the older people are vaccinated.

    What makes an older person more worthy of vaccine and protection from Covid than someone younger. We will be in March next week and the over 70s still aren't be seen to but the over 85s will have their first shot.

    There will be many people in the 60 to 70 age bracket that would fall prey to the virus. What makes an 85 years old life more worthy of vaccine than a 65 to 69 year old?

    I followed the lockdown and the restrictions to do my best at protecting everybody around me. I don't intend on getting selfish now and thinking about only myself and my own happiness at this stage. I think the numbers are still to high and I don't want to contribute to rising cases. I have enough patience to keep at it for another while yet anyways even if I am cracking up. There's great solace in pouring from a large bottle in the evenings.


  • #9466
    Morries Wigs
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 199 ✭✭Morries Wigs


    What are the health reasons for the 5km restriction-heard its to do with landlords and evicting people


  • #9467
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,342 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Turtwig wrote: »
    Can't disagree with anything you said about our leadership. Have to ask though what has Boris actually done? What action has he taken?

    As far as I'm concerned both sides of the British Isles have been woeful in this. They're awfully lucky vaccinations are bailing them out.

    Came out strongly before Christmas telling people not to do household get togethers as numbers too high . Unlike ours , alliwed all visits up to StStephen's Day , by then damage done .

    I was so disappointed that MM did not react more strongly to the rising numbers the week before Christmas .
    Everyone could see what was coming, but he was so weak and afraid to tell people what they needed to do, which was lockdown , yes the week before Christmas, but that was what should have happened .

    And of course vaccines , whether we agree or not with the emergency authorisation.
    They have gone at it hell fir leather, because they had to, bigtime, with their infection rates and deaths but that was what has turned the tide for them . And him .
    No I am not a Bojo fan ;) but he is showing a lot more leadership in this now then our lot .
    I wouldn't trade places with them , we will get there are getting there , but it is slow and people need our politicians to step up now and be more proactive .


  • #9468
    MerlinSouthDub
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,629 ✭✭✭MerlinSouthDub


    Goldengirl wrote: »
    Came out strongly before Christmas telling people not to do household get togethers as numbers too high . Unlike ours , alliwed all visits up to StStephen's Day , by then damage done .

    Boris took England out of national lockdown in October with very high infection rates and hospitalisations, against all the advice. This led to an extremely bad surge in November and December (worse than ours going by deaths). With hospitals literally overloaded and beyond capacity, he was forced into a last minute turnaround just before Christmas. They were still allowing crowds at football matches in some parts of the UK in December.Then he insisted that schools would reopen in January, and they did. For one day. Before closing under enormous political pressure. If Boris has shown leadership, then I am a sheep.


  • #9469
    Rebelbrowser
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,368 ✭✭✭Rebelbrowser


    mcburns07 wrote: »
    Can anyone explain how given that the supposedly much more transmissable British variant is now the majority of cases in Ireland, Cork has still managed to get cases down from one of the highest incidences at the start of Jan to second lowest now?

    (Apart from us being great down here :) )

    Lockdown really seems to work in Cork. On all 3 lockdowns we've gone down to 20th or lower in the county list (its been 26th a few times). I know the county has some very rural areas but there are 250k in the city and 400k in the extended metro area so its hard to see why it is doing so much better than Galway, Limerick and Dublin (obviously Dublin has a far denser population but Cork has a rate now of 147 per 100,000 to Dublin's 350).

    The only time we went to the top parts of the list was in November / December but that presumably was because pubs opened in Cork for a while and the urban effect really kicked in then (pubs were still closed in dublin etc).

    Anyone got any explanation?


  • #9470
    Tea drinker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,818 ✭✭✭Tea drinker


    mr zulu wrote: »
    Fair dues to the UK road map, listening to Boris giveing the English great hope, mean while in Ireland, Al we have is doom and gloom.

    Either Irish politicians are clueless (v. likely) or they hate us that much they want to rob us of our time by keeping us in lockdown (well lets not rule anything out)
    The fact that we are lagging behind (far behind) second rate economies like Serbia is a damning indictment of the West to cooperate together and similarly with (NATO enemy) Russia. They would sooner people die here than give Russia money for a known good vaccine. Israel paid what, 10 dollars (?) extra to get the vaccine secured and they get that back in the first hour of having someone back working rather than locked down. Plus the health benefits of not having a locked down society.
    We really are scraping the barrel in terms of medical and informed response here.


  • #9471
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,342 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Arghus wrote: »
    Like I've said, I do hope the UK's plans succeed, but I think a dose of scepticism is required. This is Boris Johnson, the man's track record with plans and promises related to Covid is not so good. He's still the same guy, he hasn't become suddenly competent overnight. "All restrictions could be gone by June 21" - Do you believe that?

    I agree people need goals and aspirations, but the UK plans are very, very optimistic and some people on here - who no doubt have a self image of hard bitten cynical realism - are fawning over Boris and Co like naive fangirls.

    Oof , hard not to be crushed by that Arghus !


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  • #9472
    Vinnie222
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,038 ✭✭✭Vinnie222


    Rebelbrowser wrote: »
    Lockdown really seems to work in Cork. On all 3 lockdowns we've gone down to 20th or lower in the county list (its been 26th a few times). I know the county has some very rural areas but there are 250k in the city and 400k in the extended metro area so its hard to see why it is doing so much better than Galway, Limerick and Dublin (obviously Dublin has a far denser population but Cork has a rate now of 147 per 100,000 to Dublin's 350).

    The only time we went to the top parts of the list was in November / December but that presumably was because pubs opened in Cork for a while and the urban effect really kicked in then (pubs were still closed in dublin etc).

    Anyone got any explanation?

    Mass testing in ul is the cause of most of the cases atm in Limerick unfortunately


  • #9473
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,121 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Morries Wigs wrote: »
    What are the health reasons for the 5km restriction-heard its to do with landlords and evicting people

    That’s my understanding too. Somehow (and God knows how) the 5km rule has got tied to the eviction ban


  • #9474
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,342 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    MrMusician18 wrote: »
    The usual suspects are fawning over Johnson now because they have long held that the approach the government has taken was the wrong one. There are "let it rip" merchants on here, don't forget.

    Anything, anything that potentially casts a poor light or question on our policy is to be used as a stick to beat it with. 200 posts back they were using mental health as the stick.

    This is just more of the same.

    Ah now , you can't be including me in that ..rampant generalisation there ;)


  • #9475
    ceadaoin.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,705 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    is_that_so wrote: »
    Yeah, I'd be wary of scientists bringing gifts like this. IMO, it's best to assume that we are looking at 6 months and more.

    That article is specifically relating to the US. I think it's entirely possible. Cases in my state have been in a rapid descent since the end of January and our positivity rate is now under 10% after being at 22% at the start of the year. Hospitalisations are dropping too with under 1000 covid patients currently. too early to be solely due to the vaccines and everything is still open and has been all through the surge, so yeah it certainly feels like it's ending tbh. I've said on here before that the US will be over this before Europe simply because of the amount of people infected, combined with the vaccination effort it really does seem to possibly be the beginnings of herd immunity.


  • #9476
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 12,836 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Arghus wrote: »
    Like I've said, I do hope the UK's plans succeed, but I think a dose of scepticism is required. This is Boris Johnson, the man's track record with plans and promises related to Covid is not so good. He's still the same guy, he hasn't become suddenly competent overnight. "All restrictions could be gone by June 21" - Do you believe that?

    I agree people need goals and aspirations, but the UK plans are very, very optimistic and some people on here - who no doubt have a self image of hard bitten cynical realism - are fawning over Boris and Co like naive fangirls.

    Its wildly optimistic - in your opinion. Lets get that bit straight.

    People loving dismissing the UK on here. They dismissed their vaccination plans, dismissed prioritising first doses, the UK were proven to be clearly correct there. They've also hit their vaccination targets so far so there is no reason to doubt a plan that hinges on the outcome of those targets.

    Boris is just the messenger, whether or not they can remove restrictions has little to do with his competency and lots to do with their vaccine rollout which is performing very well.


  • #9477
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,342 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    MerlinSouthDub wrote: »
    Boris took England out of national lockdown in October with very high infection rates and hospitalisations, against all the advice. This led to an extremely bad surge in November and December (worse than ours going by deaths). With hospitals literally overloaded and beyond capacity, he was forced into a last minute turnaround just before Christmas. They were still allowing crowds at football matches in some parts of the UK in December.Then he insisted that schools would reopen in January, and they did. For one day. Before closing under enormous political pressure. If Boris has shown leadership, then I am a sheep.

    I know all this , have been here through this too , you know .

    Never said that he was perfect or even good , but he has done better than ours since Christmas .

    To add , my original point was that ours are so bad they are worse than Boris !


  • #9478
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    Arghus wrote: »
    Like I've said, I do hope the UK's plans succeed, but I think a dose of scepticism is required. This is Boris Johnson, the man's track record with plans and promises related to Covid is not so good. He's still the same guy, he hasn't become suddenly competent overnight. "All restrictions could be gone by June 21" - Do you believe that?

    I agree people need goals and aspirations, but the UK plans are very, very optimistic and some people on here - who no doubt have a self image of hard bitten cynical realism - are fawning over Boris and Co like naive fangirls.

    I here what you are saying. I agree it's optimistic. I want to say he is an idiot but that would be playing the man not the ball.

    Fact is their vaccine rollout is significant. They've taken a punt on the single dose which now has real world data behind it. I thought the man was an idiot going around shaking hands with people in covid wards. (I think most would agree now.)

    We have limit resources and they should be deployed to have maximal effect if those studies prove true.

    It's a fast moving situation and where good data surfaces we should take it and run with it. i.e implement it yesterday.


  • #9479
    Morries Wigs
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 199 ✭✭Morries Wigs


    Deleted User wrote: »
    That’s my understanding too. Somehow (and God knows how) the 5km rule has got tied to the eviction ban

    Most people think its to do with the spreading of the virus complete bullsh1t so -we are tied to 5km to help people not be evicted from their property ridiculous -their keeping this fairly quiet


  • #9480
    CoronaBlocker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 247 ✭✭CoronaBlocker


    Arghus wrote: »
    Like I've said, I do hope the UK's plans succeed, but I think a dose of scepticism is required. This is Boris Johnson, the man's track record with plans and promises related to Covid is not so good. He's still the same guy, he hasn't become suddenly competent overnight. "All restrictions could be gone by June 21" - Do you believe that?

    I agree people need goals and aspirations, but the UK plans are very, very optimistic and some people on here - who no doubt have a self image of hard bitten cynical realism - are fawning over Boris and Co like naive fangirls.

    You say you hope his plans succeed - but I kinda get the feeling that you really don't. You don't like Boris, we get that. But as PM he has a huge team of advisors and also has a yoke called delegation working for him too, so it's not like he is personally driving the vaccine bus around the UK himself.

    Further, it's important to remember that all of the early errors in this for the UK came during the iron fist in the velvet glove period that was of one Dominic Mckenzie Cummings. Like it or not, Boris is overseeing an almighty roll-out of vaccines... one of the most advanced in the whole world, having already scored huge on the backing/funding of vaccines and then contracting the quantities for the UK. That all seems pretty damn impressive to me as I sit here waiting for my jab inside the mighty EU.

    I think I remember you saying at some point that you work in a supermarket, yes? So forgive me if I take your opinions on Boris with no more than a smirk. And if I needed to know anything else about you before coming to an informed judgement on you, then your talk about fangirls fawning over Boris brings it to me.

    People need very, very optimistic right now. Everyone knows that these plans may have to be rolled back somewhat at some point... but just today... for one day... can we not enjoy that someone, somewhere, currently, is doing something that appears to be working; enacting a plan that has purpose and offering hope to everyone that just maybe, this one may actually be the right way to get us all out of this sh!t.


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  • #9481
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,121 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Arghus wrote: »
    Like I've said, I do hope the UK's plans succeed, but I think a dose of scepticism is required. This is Boris Johnson, the man's track record with plans and promises related to Covid is not so good. He's still the same guy, he hasn't become suddenly competent overnight. "All restrictions could be gone by June 21" - Do you believe that?

    I agree people need goals and aspirations, but the UK plans are very, very optimistic and some people on here - who no doubt have a self image of hard bitten cynical realism - are fawning over Boris and Co like naive fangirls.

    I don’t think that this plan is too optimistic at all. It’s very much closer to what the scientists want

    Like it’s another 3 months before just 6 people from 2 households can meet inside. It’s a slow exit with lots of pauses. Much less ambitious than anything that has been done beforehand

    The only bit which is overly optimistic is the June ambition of social distancing being pretty much ditched. But that of course is on the back of effectively everyone being vaccinated.


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