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Covid 19 Part XXXII-215,743 ROI (4,137 deaths)111,166 NI (2,036 deaths)(22/02)Read OP

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  • #9422
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    MattS1 wrote: »
    Why are they only meeting today if the plan was due this week? They had 2 weeks notice.
    They meet regularly, it's a final meeting before it's published.


  • #9423
    SEPT 23 1989
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,038 ✭✭✭✭SEPT 23 1989


    First story on the RTE news is waiting lists


  • #9424
    SPDUB
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,363 ✭✭✭SPDUB


    MattS1 wrote: »
    Why are they only meeting today if the plan was due this week? They had 2 weeks notice.

    Because for some reason they wanted to make recommendations based off the latest data:rolleyes:


  • #9425
    What Username Guidelines
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,139 ✭✭✭What Username Guidelines


    Coming up on lots of “one year since” articles and tweets, I just saw BNO retweet the news of the first Italian lockdown. This was linked in the replies. Madness what’s changed in a year

    https://twitter.com/afp/status/1231346166555643905?s=21


  • #9426
    MrMusician18
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,381 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    Arghus wrote: »
    This is the third of fourth time I've seen people fall completely for Johnson's blue-sky bullshít.

    The UK's plan is wildly optimistic. And it's not the first time the government over there has launched a plan that they've had to eventually had roll back on. It's not even the second time.

    Johnson and the rest of his cronies love getting people looking the other way and talking about "plans" instead of focusing on their catastrophic death toll.

    Johnson has announced numerous plans and promises that have either never been delivered or have had to be rolled back on. He's a populist spoofer with a long list of undelivered promises.

    People are endlessly cynical about our government, not without reason, but yet lap up every bit of weightless guff from BoJo? Even though his record through the pandemic has been utterly disastrous. Where's the critical thinking there?

    I hope the UK plans work, because it offers a clear pathway and plan for everyone, but anyone with a brain in their head should be a bit cautious before we announce the genius of their plan

    I believe the tactic is called boosterism. I too hope their plan works as if it fails, ours will too - as it stands entirely on the success of delivering and continuing effectiveness of the vaccines


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  • #9427
    Whiplash85
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 738 ✭✭✭Whiplash85


    Arghus wrote: »
    This is the third of fourth time I've seen people fall completely for Johnson's blue-sky bullshít.

    The UK's plan is wildly optimistic. And it's not the first time the government over there has launched a plan that they've had to eventually had roll back on. It's not even the second time.

    Johnson and the rest of his cronies love getting people looking the other way and talking about "plans" instead of focusing on their catastrophic death toll.

    Johnson has announced numerous plans and promises that have either never been delivered or have had to be rolled back on. He's a populist spoofer with a long list of undelivered promises.

    People are endlessly cynical about our government, not without reason, but yet lap up every bit of weightless guff from BoJo? Even though his record through the pandemic has been utterly disastrous. Where's the critical thinking there?

    I hope the UK plans work, because it offers a clear pathway and plan for everyone, but anyone with a brain in their head should be a bit cautious before we announce the genius of their plan


    Its aspirational and offers hope. Something to aim for.

    Carrying on like this is simply unsustainable. Public compliance is dissipating fast. We have to have dates for reopening otherwise all public good will be gone.


  • #9428
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,634 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    CruelSummer wrote: »
    Yes they're vaccine programme has been very successful - the new data emerging re one shot efficacy in Pfizer and Oxford would definitely speed it up here, or at the very least - 2nd doses should be pushed to 12 weeks.
    I heard Kevin Doyle from the Independent on Claire Byrne earlier saying the constant leaks were needed to 'soften people up' to what's coming. I actually think they've had the opposite effect. They need to lay out our plan and strategy coupled with vaccination expectations and supply for the public to see.

    Pushing the dose out causes a lowering of immunity from week 5 which should be ok if still in lockdown and people over there shielding until their second dose .
    Might not be ok if restrictions lifted at the same time , unfortunately .

    However I think Boris has done a lot more than just talk the talk since December , fair dues to him .
    Ours are pathetic, and far from ' softening' the public the constant and contradictory leaks are embarrassing and annoying .
    I would be normally pro restrictions but after the last few days I am angry that we are left hanging for 3 or 4 days waiting for our Taoiseach to come back and explain his most recent press outing , waiting for Eamonn Ryan and Donnelly yo dort out the mandatory quarantine , fir 4 weeks now since it was agreed it should be introduced.
    Norma Foley's continuing poor performance, with secondary schools generally not back until mid April .
    And Leo leaking sxxxe whenever ..
    It must also be noted that they have all received the recent public service payrise which pushes ministerial salaries above €100, 000 !
    There needs to be a lot more accountability for those in government ...
    Thinking MM, Nirma Foley , Eamonn Ryan , Leo and S.Donnelly for starters , pvss poor performances :(


  • #9429
    Itssoeasy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,844 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    is_that_so wrote: »
    They meet regularly, it's a final meeting before it's published.

    So I haven't been following the news today but what’s the reports about what is supposed to be published tomorrow ? I assume(letting myself open to disappointment doing that) that there’ll be vague timelines and nothing very solid on dates ?


  • #9430
    Galwayhurl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 275 ✭✭Galwayhurl


    1 death and 686 cases.

    Deaths coming down nicely it seems.

    As of 8am today, 726 COVID-19 patients are hospitalised, of which 156 are in ICU.

    As of February 19th, 340,704 doses have been administered in Ireland.

    If we vaccinate 100,000 per week we should have 1 million doses completed by March 31st hopefully.


  • #9431
    MrMusician18
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,381 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    Whiplash85 wrote: »
    Its aspirational and offers hope. Something to aim for.

    Carrying on like this is simply unsustainable. Public compliance is dissipating fast. We have to have dates for reopening otherwise all public good will be gone.

    If compliance disappears before the roll out of vaccines, then what happens?


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  • #9432
    amandstu
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,601 ✭✭✭amandstu


    gw80 wrote: »
    "What then",
    We are going to see a lot of yellow reg campervans and caravans enjoying the beaches and other scenic areas that we are not allowed to visit.
    Arghus wrote: »
    This is the third of fourth time I've seen people fall completely for Johnson's blue-sky bullshít.

    The UK's plan is wildly optimistic. And it's not the first time the government over there has launched a plan that they've had to eventually had roll back on. It's not even the second time.

    Johnson and the rest of his cronies love getting people looking the other way and talking about "plans" instead of focusing on their catastrophic death toll.

    Johnson has announced numerous plans and promises that have either never been delivered or have had to be rolled back on. He's a populist spoofer with a long list of undelivered promises.

    People are endlessly cynical about our government, not without reason, but yet lap up every bit of weightless guff from BoJo? Even though his record through the pandemic has been utterly disastrous. Where's the critical thinking there?

    I hope the UK plans work, because it offers a clear pathway and plan for everyone, but anyone with a brain in their head should be a bit cautious before we announce the genius of their plan
    That not just all about their fast vaccination programme?

    Bound to ease the way forward.Am looking at their numbers and hope their gain will also represent a gain for us as the North no longer represents such a problem with "virus overspill" as I felt it has been in the past (though not as much ,it seems as our own Christmas madness was)


  • #9433
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,121 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Arghus wrote: »
    This is the third of fourth time I've seen people fall completely for Johnson's blue-sky bullshít.

    The UK's plan is wildly optimistic. And it's not the first time the government over there has launched a plan that they've had to eventually had roll back on. It's not even the second time.

    Johnson and the rest of his cronies love getting people looking the other way and talking about "plans" instead of focusing on their catastrophic death toll.

    Johnson has announced numerous plans and promises that have either never been delivered or have had to be rolled back on. He's a populist spoofer with a long list of undelivered promises.

    People are endlessly cynical about our government, not without reason, but yet lap up every bit of weightless guff from BoJo? Even though his record through the pandemic has been utterly disastrous. Where's the critical thinking there?

    I hope the UK plans work, because it offers a clear pathway and plan for everyone, but anyone with a brain in their head should be a bit cautious before we announce the genius of their plan

    Difference is the vaccine rollout though, which allows for some ambition. And the data from out of Scotland about the efficacy of AZ and Pfizer in stopping hospitalisations is very good (94% for AZ after 1 dose)

    And the plan is premised on vaccination rates and hospital admissions, not overall infection rates per se.

    I think that it is cautious enough that none of the steps will need to be rolled back upon, even of the next stage is pushed out longer. The scientific advisors are certainly unanimously behind it, which has not necessarily been the case before. Its been well received by virologists on British radio this afternoon who would have to date have been very critical.

    FWIW, I think that stages 2 and 3 will be delayed. But the fact that the clarity of the plan, gives everyone something to get behind. And there is something to look to and hope for.


  • #9434
    Turtwig
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    Goldengirl wrote: »
    However I think Boris has done a lot more than just talk the talk since December

    Can't disagree with anything you said about our leadership. Have to ask though what has Boris actually done? What action has he taken?

    As far as I'm concerned both sides of the British Isles have been woeful in this. They're awfully lucky vaccinations are bailing them out.


  • #9435
    MrMusician18
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,381 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    Turtwig wrote: »
    Can't disagree with anything you said about our leadership. Have to ask though what has Boris actually done? What action has he taken?

    As far as I'm concerned both sides of the British Isles have been woeful in this. They're awfully lucky vaccinations are bailing them out.

    Had this crisis happened 10 years ago, we be up the creek without a paddle. It would be 2 or 3 years before the standard method of producing vaccines would be able to come up with something.


  • #9436
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Itssoeasy wrote: »
    So I haven't been following the news today but what’s the reports about what is supposed to be published tomorrow ? I assume(letting myself open to disappointment doing that) that there’ll be vague timelines and nothing very solid on dates ?
    An updated version of the "Living with COVID" plan so disappointment be the right response!


  • #9437
    shinzon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,463 ✭✭✭shinzon


    This UK reopening plan doesnt fill me with much confidence when they seemingly have already factored in deaths and hospilisations into the plan even with the 5 week review in between
    Mr Johnson continues that Sage modelling "shows we cannot escape the fact that lifting lockdown will result in more cases, more hospitalisations and sadly, more deaths and this would happen whenever a lockdown is lifted.

    Boris always seems to have some aspirational bull**** quote like irreversible lockdown when he knows damn well he cant promise that, im hoping im wrong but I can only see this ending in disaster again the population of the UK in 2020 was 67,886,011, theyve only vaccinated 17 million or so a long way to go to get everyone that wants it vaccinated or to reach critical mass.

    Hope im wrong I really do well see I guess

    Shin


  • #9438
    PmMeUrDogs
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 858 ✭✭✭PmMeUrDogs


    1 death
    686 cases.

    Are deaths starting to slow even more?


  • #9439
    Richard Hillman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,033 ✭✭✭✭Richard Hillman


    The numbers are dropping.
    100k supposed to be vaccinated this week.
    First vaccine is proving to be over 80% effective.

    This country should be fully reopened, full whack by March 8th.


  • #9440
    hynesie08
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,743 ✭✭✭✭hynesie08


    https://twitter.com/nicole_gernon/status/1363913234676383752


  • #9441
    Stheno
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,685 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    PmMeUrDogs wrote: »
    1 death
    686 cases.

    Are deaths starting to slow even more?

    Less deaths reported on the weekends


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  • #9442
    CIARAN_BOYLE
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,595 ✭✭✭✭CIARAN_BOYLE


    I take it there's no nphet briefing today?

    I know there's a cabinet subcommittee meeting so I guess some of the nphet are attending.


  • #9443
    hynesie08
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,743 ✭✭✭✭hynesie08


    https://twitter.com/nicole_gernon/status/1363914649037643780?s=20

    Wow


  • #9444
    Stheno
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,685 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »
    I take it there's no nphet briefing today?

    I know there's a cabinet subcommittee meeting so I guess some of the nphet are attending.

    Correct

    https://twitter.com/nicole_gernon/status/1363906646309748746?s=20


  • #9445
    Stheno
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,685 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    hynesie08 wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/nicole_gernon/status/1363914649037643780?s=20

    Wow

    Don't forget that over 100k Healthcare workers have had at least one shot of the vaccines

    Actually 73k have had both doses and 117 k first dose

    https://covid-19.geohive.ie/pages/vaccinations


  • #9446
    MrMusician18
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,381 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    Stheno wrote: »
    Less deaths reported on the weekends
    Deaths are something of a meaningless metric when it comes to current progress, given that these can have happened up to three months ago.

    The hospital report and to a lesser extent case numbers are more telling when it comes to indicating progress.


  • #9447
    Always_Running
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,848 ✭✭✭Always_Running


    Confirmed cases each Monday this year.

    22/2 - 686
    15/2 - 821
    8/2 - 829
    1-2 - 1062
    25/1 - 1372
    18/1 - 2121
    11/1 - 4929
    4/1 - 6110




    7 day average in cases for every Monday this year.

    22/2 - 773
    15/2 - 862
    8/2 - 991
    1/2 - 1244
    25/1 - 2018
    18/1 - 3201
    11/1 - 6370
    4/1 - 3015


  • #9448
    CIARAN_BOYLE
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,595 ✭✭✭✭CIARAN_BOYLE


    hynesie08 wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/nicole_gernon/status/1363914649037643780?s=20

    Wow

    Tangible benefit from the vaccination program as so many health care workers are vaccinated.


  • #9449
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    It's very interesting. Boris clearly made a Hames of it early on. But the man ended up in ICU. If you think that didn't have an effect on his outlook I don't know what would. They are flying ahead with the single dose strategy which seems to be backed up by real world data now. I didn't subscribed to the narrative that he invented the variant and I don't subscribe to the fact he is waffling about a plan for opening up. Everything is subject to change of course. Will be interesting to see how it goes.


  • #9450
    hynesie08
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,743 ✭✭✭✭hynesie08


    Stheno wrote: »
    Don't forget that over 100k Healthcare workers have had at least one shot of the vaccines

    I know, but seeing those numbers drop that rapidly is still spectacular. (it was a happy wow)


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  • #9451
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,634 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Arghus wrote: »
    This is the third of fourth time I've seen people fall completely for Johnson's blue-sky bullshít.

    The UK's plan is wildly optimistic. And it's not the first time the government over there has launched a plan that they've had to eventually had roll back on. It's not even the second time.

    Johnson and the rest of his cronies love getting people looking the other way and talking about "plans" instead of focusing on their catastrophic death toll.

    Johnson has announced numerous plans and promises that have either never been delivered or have had to be rolled back on. He's a populist spoofer with a long list of undelivered promises.

    People are endlessly cynical about our government, not without reason, but yet lap up every bit of weightless guff from BoJo? Even though his record through the pandemic has been utterly disastrous. Where's the critical thinking there?

    I hope the UK plans work, because it offers a clear pathway and plan for everyone, but anyone with a brain in their head should be a bit cautious before we announce the genius of their plan

    I do agree that that is exactly what Boris is doing , getting the public to focus on positivity after they have had a desperately bad year, much of which is their government's fault .
    And he is doing it very well, it is working . Not one negative comment on the BBC News from anyone , scientists or opposition alike.


    But we do not deserve the appallingly poor communication and response from our government either .
    One can admire the different political smarts of one and be critical of the inept carryon of the other , and still recognise that both could have or be handling things differently!


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