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Covid 19 Part XXXII-215,743 ROI (4,137 deaths)111,166 NI (2,036 deaths)(22/02)Read OP

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  • #9362
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    MrMusician18 wrote: »
    What got us here in the first place, oh yeah, everyone doing whatever the hell they wanted at Christmas.

    Everyone? Some absolute rubbish posted here by you.


  • #9363
    retro:electro
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,039 ✭✭✭✭retro:electro


    MrMusician18 wrote: »
    What got us here in the first place, oh yeah, everyone doing whatever the hell they wanted at Christmas.

    There was a multitude of variables involved in why Christmas went the way it did.
    We were promised a meaningful Christmas if we behaved and locked down for 6 weeks before restrictions were lifted. We weren’t out a wet week before we were threatened with more lockdowns so people made the most of the time they were given. People hadn’t seen family in months. We had an influx of travel and as a result of that we imported a collection of new variants, one that was far more transmissible than the one that had previously been dominant. We were in the height of the busiest times for hospitals anyway as seasonal illnesses usually surge in Dec/Jan and this is always the case every single year, Covid aside. It was a recipe for disaster in its entirety and it probably would have happened either way, as most people simply were not prepared to sacrifice Christmas after the year we had. So yeah, after a year of restricted movement people had the gall to visit family and enjoy themselves somewhat, as sanctioned by government when they decided to open things up.
    The cheek of them. You’d swear people were going around spitting on people and licking them in the streets the way you’re casting judgement.

    Anyway, the whole Christmas thing has been done to death at this stage. It happened. Move on.


  • #9364
    seamus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,173 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    hynesie08 wrote: »
    I can't see level 4 happening without a few delays, but.... There is no reason why we can't have a similar timeline, 2-3 weeks behind them.
    Funny, that's exactly what I was thinking. You see a lot of "at the earliest" in UK plans, which gives them room to delay it by a couple of weeks. Which they will. The UK has always overpromised and underdelivered; their electorate tolerate it.

    People will look at the UK's timeline and wonder why Ireland can't do the same, but I think in reality once the UK have delayed theirs by 3 weeks, there won't be more than a week or 3 in the difference between us and them reopening.

    Sentiment will be the main differentiator - whether people think the Government set out a plan that could be achieved, or just made ad-hoc decisions to avoid having to set expectations.

    This new "living with Covid" plan will be telling. If they don't set out something people can work with, then the activity across the Irish Sea will make the government look ridiculous.


  • #9365
    snowgal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,863 ✭✭✭snowgal


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    It's already been well leaked that there won't be dates on ours nor the setting of targets. Unless they look at the UK this evening and change last minute

    That is really what Im hoping from this. That MM and Leo saw that and thought sh&t, ours looks absolutely prison like, we have to at least let people outside their 5km before July now......Im (maybe naively) kinda hopeful now that tomorrow and just in general, will be kind of on a par with this. Id be very happy if MM announced what Boris did today. at least its an idea, knowing that things can change but still.....


  • #9366
    political analyst
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,059 ✭✭✭political analyst


    Have the meat factories here still bringing workers in from Brazil during the pandemic? If they are, why has the government still allowed them to? The name of a certain well-known businessman who is a major player in the beef industry is trending on Twitter.


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  • #9367
    bennyl10
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,599 ✭✭✭bennyl10


    MrMusician18 wrote: »
    What got us here in the first place, oh yeah, everyone doing whatever the hell they wanted at Christmas.

    we were told travel at xmas wasnt an issue, so people travelled.

    Personal responsibility sure, but lets for a second make it out that people didn't follow what was allowed



    The UK announcement is what we should be looking to do tomorrow, cant wait to just get a vert broad outline with no actual plan in it


  • #9368
    MrMusician18
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,149 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    FutureGuy wrote: »
    The problem is this is seemingly never-ending. There is no end date in sight even though numbers have vastly imported.

    People are off visiting friends and family outdoors outside of the 5km. Friends are meeting outdoors for coffees.

    The fact that the UK now have a plan will make everyone even more agitated.
    I'm not arguing that compliance isn't poor, it is. Aside from the post Christmas reality check case explosion, it's been poor since May last year.

    Give people hope, is the clamour, but is there anything worse than giving false hope?

    We will reopen when cases are steady and stable in the double digits and/or hospitalisation is low. There is no mystery here. This will come with mass vaccination.


  • #9369
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    FutureGuy wrote: »
    Plenty of tourists in Limerick yesterday by the way.

    They must have been lost, no one would willingly go to Limerick.


  • #9370
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    political analyst wrote: »
    Have the meat factories here still bringing workers in from Brazil during the pandemic? If they are, why has the government still allowed them to? The name of a certain well-known businessman who is a major player in the beef industry is trending on Twitter.
    Over 13,000 Brazilians living here legally, the vast majority are not in meat factories.


  • #9371
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    political analyst wrote: »
    Have the meat factories here still bringing workers in from Brazil during the pandemic? If they are, why has the government still allowed them to? The name of a certain well-known businessman who is a major player in the beef industry is trending on Twitter.

    The same guy who is an uncle to Simon Coveney's wife?


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  • #9372
    FlubberJones
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 911 ✭✭✭FlubberJones


    Agreeing with some posts above, people in Ireland are going to be hearing all about the UK plan to get out of this ****ty mire... and if the plebs in charge fill the country with more threats and dread and menaces they will be in for a surprise... people will totally stop listening and their ****ty lockdown will fail... again.


  • #9373
    bennyl10
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,599 ✭✭✭bennyl10


    MrMusician18 wrote: »
    I'm not arguing that compliance isn't poor, it is. Aside from the post Christmas reality check case explosion, it's been poor since May last year.

    Give people hope, is the clamour, but is there anything worse than giving false hope?

    We will reopen when cases are steady and stable in the double digits and/or hospitalisation is low. There is no mystery here. This will come with mass vaccination.

    why cant we follow what our nearest neighbour has now done?

    Double digits wont happen for months and that level of buy-in wont happen without some kind of timeline


  • #9374
    Rebelbrowser
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,368 ✭✭✭Rebelbrowser


    snowgal wrote: »
    That is really what Im hoping from this. That MM and Leo saw that and thought sh&t, ours looks absolutely prison like, we have to at least let people outside their 5km before July now......Im (maybe naively) kinda hopeful now that tomorrow and just in general, will be kind of on a par with this. Id be very happy if MM announced what Boris did today. at least its an idea, knowing that things can change but still.....

    No way ours will be as hopeful / optimistic but agree that the timing of this UK plan must change ours. They will know that saying nothing will change, at all, until May at earliest just won't fly now when up the road there is a completely different story.


  • #9375
    Klonker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,669 ✭✭✭Klonker


    I'm actually jealous of and delighted for the UK at the same time.

    What's the betting our announcement tomorrow will be pushed back to later in the week so they can scramble together a more optimistic plan.


  • #9376
    timmyntc
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,653 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    The same guy who is an uncle to Simon Coveney's wife?

    The beef baron, a good man


  • #9377
    political analyst
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,059 ✭✭✭political analyst


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    The same guy who is an uncle to Simon Coveney's wife?

    I don't know but he's well-known because of a tribunal that was set-up after an edition of World In Action 30 years ago.


  • #9378
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 3,270 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Knex* wrote: »
    Long before covid I remember reading about how most flus are contracted via the eyes.

    Anyone who watched ER will tell you that, remember they'd wear a visor when dealing with Trauma patients who are HIV positive? one open artery and you catch one in the eye.
    Anywhere there's a mucus membrane on the body, you can pick it up. everywhere else the skin is like a wet suit, it's supposed to be quite impermeable, what's why we wash our hands all the time, so we don't put them in our ears, nose, eyes...ARSE!! catch a sneeze from someone even if you're masked up and you can still blink and not miss it!


  • #9379
    bennyl10
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,599 ✭✭✭bennyl10


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    They must have been lost, no one would willingly go to Limerick.

    ah look, limerick is bad jokes

    they didn't get old 20 years ago or anything


  • #9380
    political analyst
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,059 ✭✭✭political analyst


    is_that_so wrote: »
    Over 13,000 Brazilians living here legally, the vast majority are not in meat factories.

    A musician called John H asked on Twitter whether Brazilian meat-factory workers brought in by that businessman were bringing variants of the virus into Ireland.


  • #9381
    Rebelbrowser
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,368 ✭✭✭Rebelbrowser


    FlubberJones wrote: »
    Agreeing with some posts above, people in Ireland are going to be hearing all about the UK plan to get out of this ****ty mire... and if the plebs in charge fill the country with more threats and dread and menaces they will be in for a surprise... people will totally stop listening and their ****ty lockdown will fail... again.

    I personally think MMs comments since last Thursday have already fatally undermined the present lockdown. I'm uber law abiding, I live in a nice house, I can wfh easily and have had no paycut, so I will stick with it - but many more won't. Rubicon has been crossed I fear....


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  • #9382
    Ficheall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,042 ✭✭✭Ficheall


    is_that_so wrote: »
    Even if they had indicative periods like the UK one that would be progress
    I don't understand why people think this will help - people complaining might quieten down for now, but they'll really lose their sh*t when they don't adhere to the indicated periods.

    And the UK certainly haven't committed in stone to adhering to their timeline - "at the earliest", "sufficiently effective", "no risk of a surge", "no risk from new variants"... They've pushed their can a little further down the road, that's about it. We'll have their 8th March stuff when they do (I'm pretty sure?). Is this the same idea as people being tired of hearing bad news and wanting things sugarcoated, even if its bs?
    I fully agree the gov't is doing a terrible communication job, but claiming the UK have done a great job here just seems to be a "grass is greener" complaint. Remember we had our Levels 1-5 and other countries were saying "Oh, that's brilliant, we'll copy them..." except it then turned out to be complete crap. I'll believe in the "UK roadmap" when (a) it happens, and (b) it doesn't lead them back into the sh*tshow of cases that they had previously. They do have the advantage of a faster vaccine rollout, of course, which will go a long way to speeding their recovery.


  • #9383
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    political analyst wrote: »
    A musician called John H asked on Twitter whether Brazilian meat-factory workers brought in by that businessman were bringing variants of the virus into Ireland.
    That sounds like the Bulgarian fruit pickers last March! Brazilian meat workers have been here for nearly 30 years. Most Brazilians are here for the conveyor belt language courses and the proximity of their arrivals to Christmas suggests a likely end to holiday at home.


  • #9384
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    The whole one dose / two dose strategy is really a differentiating factor. They obviously believe one dose confers enough protection against hospitalisation and death for them to proceed with reopening etc. The latest data out showing this has probably allowed them to be optimistic with the reopening.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/health-56153600
    The first results of the UK vaccination programme suggests it is having a "spectacular" impact on preventing serious illness.
    Research led by Public Health Scotland found at four weeks after the first dose, hospital admissions were reduced by 85% and 94% for the Pfizer and AstraZeneca jabs respectively.

    We are quite a way off that unfortunately and perhaps we should revisit the strategy. We might have something more concrete to look forward to in the near to medium term.

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  • #9385
    MrMusician18
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,149 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    retro:electro wrote: »
    There was a multitude of variables involved in why Christmas went the way it did.
    We were promised a meaningful Christmas if we behaved and locked down for 6 weeks before restrictions were lifted. We weren’t out a wet week before we were threatened with more lockdowns so people made the most of the time they were given. People hadn’t seen family in months. We had an influx of travel and as a result of that we imported a collection of new variants, one that was far more transmissible than the one that had previously been dominant. We were in the height of the busiest times for hospitals anyway as seasonal illnesses usually surge in Dec/Jan and this is always the case every single year, Covid aside. It was a recipe for disaster in its entirety and it probably would have happened either way, as most people simply were not prepared to sacrifice Christmas after the year we had. So yeah, after a year of restricted movement people had the gall to visit family and enjoy themselves somewhat, as sanctioned by government when they decided to open things up.
    The cheek of them. You’d swear people were going around spitting on people and licking them in the streets the way you’re casting judgement.

    Anyway, the whole Christmas thing has been done to death at this stage. It happened. Move on.

    Indeed there was, but there is a narrative being spun here that it was government that caused the post Christmas crisis and the third wave. It wasn't. It was the individual choices of millions of citizens that did.

    The gall for visiting family, or the gall to selfishly perpetuate a public health crisis?

    I'd love to move on, but I'm here sitting in a level 5 lockdown because of this behaviour, trapped no more than 5km from home. So yes, I'll cast judgement.

    Also there's been SFA seasonal flu this year.


  • #9386
    political analyst
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,059 ✭✭✭political analyst


    https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/news-opinion/pat-flanagan-column-criminal-hundreds-23408477
    Primetime was at Dublin Airport this week to shame dozens of Irish fliers returning from a holiday in Lanzarote but somehow missed the 2,191 passengers who recently flew in from Brazil.

    While the Canary Islands are not Covid-19 hotspots, Brazil certainly is and, what’s worse, it’s where the highly infectious P1 variant originated.

    Why did the authorities not question the people who flew in from Brazil? Why has the government let them in?


  • #9387
    FlubberJones
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 911 ✭✭✭FlubberJones


    Rebelbrowser wrote: »
    I personally think MMs comments since last Thursday have already fatally undermined the present lockdown. I'm uber law abiding, I live in a nice house, I can wfh easily and have had no paycut, so I will stick with it - but many more won't. Rubicon has been crossed I fear....

    We here have similar but I am at the end of my tether and seeing positivity coming from 65 miles across the sea is incredibly frustrating,


  • #9388
    iamwhoiam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,265 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    Rebelbrowser wrote: »
    I personally think MMs comments since last Thursday have already fatally undermined the present lockdown. I'm uber law abiding, I live in a nice house, I can wfh easily and have had no paycut, so I will stick with it - but many more won't. Rubicon has been crossed I fear....

    I agree . The negativity , the lack of a pathway , the lack of hope made people throw in the towel and say F it .


  • #9389
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Ficheall wrote: »
    I don't understand why people think this will help - people complaining might quieten down for now, but they'll really lose their sh*t when they don't adhere to the indicated periods.

    And the UK certainly haven't committed in stone to adhering to their timeline - "at the earliest", "sufficiently effective", "no risk of a surge", "no risk from new variants"... They've pushed their can a little further down the road, that's about it. We'll have their 8th March stuff when they do (I'm pretty sure?). Is this the same idea as people being tired of hearing bad news and wanting things sugarcoated, even if its bs?
    I fully agree the gov't is doing a terrible communication job, but claiming the UK have done a great job here just seems to be a "grass is greener" complaint. Remember we had our Levels 1-5 and other countries were saying "Oh, that's brilliant, we'll copy them..." except it then turned out to be complete crap. I'll believe in the "UK roadmap" when (a) it happens, and (b) it doesn't lead them back into the sh*tshow of cases that they had previously. They do have the advantage of a faster vaccine rollout, of course, which will go a long way to speeding their recovery.
    It's a sense that there is planning going on rather than just waiting for a future set of numbers to come to pass. Last May we knew there was one even if the bulk of it was way out of reach. It helps give people a chance to set their own internal map, brings a bit of hope. What is being communicated at present could be the end of May for all we know.


  • #9390
    MrMusician18
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,149 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    is_that_so wrote: »
    It's a sense that there is planning going on rather than just waiting for a future set of numbers to come to pass. Last May we knew there was one even if the bulk of it was way out of reach. It helps give people a chance to set their own internal map, brings a bit of hope. What is being communicated at present could be the end of May for all we know.

    What good is hope when it ends up dashed? Sure that only makes people more dejected?


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  • #9391
    mr zulu
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 89 ✭✭mr zulu


    MrMusician18 wrote: »
    What good is hope when it ends up dashed? Sure that only makes people more dejected?

    Im glad your not a doctor.


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