Average V Median wage Ireland?

stefanovich · 19-02-2021 03:42PM

We need significant tax reform and simplification in this country. We also need to get value for money from the public sector. Waste is the only thing you can depend on.

Benedict · 19-02-2021 04:20PM

Most people will accept that public service pay is (in general) higher than the private sector. So look at what a nurse gets? Without a managerial position, a nurse will never reach 49k. A teacher having spent 4/5 years in college will be well into his/her thirties before reaching 49k. We've talked about the fire service. And these are public servants - see below from Irish Indo.

Anne-Marie Walsh

May 28 2019 02:30 AM

"Private sector workers' pay is rising faster than public servants' - but State workers still earn 35pc more."

So where is Leo getting his 49k?

Maybe he's including Bill Gates in his calculations (and a few thousand other billionaires).

Those FTW out there who are earning 40k should cheer up. Because the truth is, they're earning more than most FTW.

Anyone out there have evidence to the contrary?

Let's hear it then!

19-02-2021 04:43PM

Benedict wrote: »

................. So look at what a nurse gets? Without a managerial position, a nurse will never reach 49k. ..................

Including shift premium a nurse will never reach 49k?

This tells me they get 25% shift premium for night duty.....
https://www.inmo.ie/Article/PrintArticle/425

And this tells me salary is €30,609 to €46,021 (12 point scale)......
https://www.inmo.ie/salary_information
Nurses pay including shift premium will exceed €49k once they are on the 7th point of the scale (€39,317 )

Cyrus · 19-02-2021 05:01PM

Benedict wrote: »

Most people will accept that public service pay is (in general) higher than the private sector. So look at what a nurse gets? Without a managerial position, a nurse will never reach 49k. A teacher having spent 4/5 years in college will be well into his/her thirties before reaching 49k. We've talked about the fire service. And these are public servants - see below from Irish Indo.

Anne-Marie Walsh

May 28 2019 02:30 AM

"Private sector workers' pay is rising faster than public servants' - but State workers still earn 35pc more."

So where is Leo getting his 49k?

Maybe he's including Bill Gates in his calculations (and a few thousand other billionaires).

Those FTW out there who are earning 40k should cheer up. Because the truth is, they're earning more than most FTW.

Anyone out there have evidence to the contrary?

Let's hear it then!

you do know that billionaires dont get paid salaries in the billions so they wont be skewing the numbers.

40k as a full time worker is not earning more than most, best case its slap bang in the middle, more than some and less than some.

if you are on a mission to tell people they are doing great if they earn 40-50k there is no harm in that but those platitudes wont help much if they are trying to purchase a house in a city.

19-02-2021 05:09PM

Cyrus wrote: »

................

if you are on a mission to............

I'm at a loss as to what the mission is and what coffee he wants us to smell tbh.

hots · 19-02-2021 06:18PM

Benedict wrote: »

Most people will accept that public service pay is (in general) higher than the private sector.

Any source on that?

Benedict · 19-02-2021 06:20PM

I mentioned Bill Gates in the figurative sense - I do know that he doesn't get a pay-cheque every Friday! (Honestly I do!)

Anyway, as I've said before, there are always those who when they can't come up with a compelling counter argument, they attack the person. It's called the fallacy of "ad hominem" in case anyone's interested in looking it up and it's been around since people were writing to each other on stone tablets.

But hey! You expect a bit of that.

Actually, I think the point I've made is an important one and I've satisfied myself that the notion that every Tom Dick and Harry is making 49k is poppycock. And nobody has been able to show me otherwise. I thought they just might, but they haven't.

I doubt if I'll be back to this thread anytime soon but I may have a peek in a week or two - just to see if anyone has said anything of importance.

Thank you for all the contributions (helpful and otherwise).

hots · 19-02-2021 06:22PM

Benedict wrote: »

Actually, I think the point I've made is an important one and I've satisfied myself that the notion that every Tom Dick and Harry is making 49k is poppycock.

I think this thread has shown you might be the only one who thinks that.

19-02-2021 08:59PM

hots wrote: »

I think this thread has shown you might be the only one who thinks that.

He also reckons most people think most people earn at least the average :pac:

Laura2021 · 20-02-2021 12:01AM

stefanovich wrote: »

950 gross? That's 49,400/quote]

€49,400
Is €36,478 after tax
Take home pay of €3,040

Single person on
€950 a week after tax is pretty good to me and I would say for a lot on here.

Geuze · 20-02-2021 02:03AM

Benedict wrote: »

Actually, I think the point I've made is an important one and I've satisfied myself that the notion that every Tom Dick and Harry is making 49k is poppycock. And nobody has been able to show me otherwise. I thought they just might, but they haven't.

I doubt if I'll be back to this thread anytime soon but I may have a peek in a week or two - just to see if anyone has said anything of importance.

Thank you for all the contributions (helpful and otherwise).

Nobody claimed that everybody is earning 49k.

What we do know is that mean annual earnings for FT workers are 49k.

We know that the mean is affected by the high earners.

So we all know that median earnings for FTW are below 49k.

It is suggested that median earnings for FTW are between 38-42k.

I agree, and I suggest towards 40-42k.

Charles Babbage · 20-02-2021 04:22AM

Laura2021 wrote: »

stefanovich wrote: »

950 gross? That's 49,400

€49,400
Is €36,478 after tax
Take home pay of €3,040

Single person on
€950 a week after tax is pretty good to me and I would say for a lot on here.

Starting salaries for graduates average €30,000 and that;s half the population in that age group.

https://www.thejournal.ie/graduate-starting-salary-ireland-4784590-Aug2019/

I expect salaries increase from that point quickly enough.

Laura2021 · 20-02-2021 02:03PM

Charles Babbage wrote: »

Starting salaries for graduates average €30,000 and that;s half the population in that age group.

https://www.thejournal.ie/graduate-starting-salary-ireland-4784590-Aug2019/

I expect salaries increase from that point quickly enough.

I know plenty who have degrees who work in Aib , Kbc other finance jobs , and someone in the Naval Service aswell as marketing in there jobs nearly 10 years and only one is on more then 40k and that is the one who works in the Naval Service based in cork . The
Ones in finance jobs like Aib , Kbc are on less then 35k
One of them is looking to go into Data analyst In there jobs but would be back at a starting position of less then 30k .

If your in a job 20 years doesnt mean you will get to a salary of just under 70k which is what you would need to make €950 a week after tax.

20-02-2021 06:32PM

Laura2021 wrote: »

I know plenty who have degrees who work in Aib , Kbc other finance jobs , and someone in the Naval Service aswell as marketing in there jobs nearly 10 years and only one is on more then 40k and that is the one who works in the Naval Service based in cork . The
Ones in finance jobs like Aib , Kbc are on less then 35k
One of them is looking to go into Data analyst In there jobs but would be back at a starting position of less then 30k .

If your in a job 20 years doesnt mean you will get to a salary of just under 70k which is what you would need to make €950 a week after tax.

Those salaries sound very low. I know a bit about data analyst roles and I can't see how they'd get anyone for that sort of salary level.

Laura2021 · 20-02-2021 09:01PM

Tommy Muscular Tether wrote: »

Those salaries sound very low. I know a bit about data analyst roles and I can't see how they'd get anyone for that sort of salary level.

Didnt say the data analyst is low but starting off it is which my friend has to do after working close to 10 years In finance on less then 35k , didn't go up very much like most jobs you pay for your experience so waiting awhile before getting a good salary as a data analyst

Going by jobs online for a data analyst is around 43k - 55k then again how long will it take to get to that

20-02-2021 09:13PM

Laura2021 wrote: »

Didnt say the data analyst is low but starting off it is which my friend has to do after working close to 10 years In finance on less then 35k , didn't go up very much like most jobs you pay for your experience so waiting awhile before getting a good salary as a data analyst

Going by jobs online for a data analyst is around 43k - 55k then again how long will it take to get to that

Ok fair enough. You should be able to reach the underlined in 2-3 years if you've the right skills.

Good loser · 20-02-2021 11:05PM

During the last nurses' strike,if I remember correctly, it was pretty widely quoted that the average nurse's pay was 55K per annum. That would have been before the settlement, which could have added 10%.

Cyrus · 21-02-2021 08:44AM

Laura2021 wrote: »

I know plenty who have degrees who work in Aib , Kbc other finance jobs , and someone in the Naval Service aswell as marketing in there jobs nearly 10 years and only one is on more then 40k and that is the one who works in the Naval Service based in cork . The
Ones in finance jobs like Aib , Kbc are on less then 35k
One of them is looking to go into Data analyst In there jobs but would be back at a starting position of less then 30k .

If your in a job 20 years doesnt mean you will get to a salary of just under 70k which is what you would need to make €950 a week after tax.

Why the reference to 950 a week after tax?

Laura2021 · 21-02-2021 04:55PM

Cyrus wrote: »

Why the reference to 950 a week after tax?

Someone said before that 950 a week isnt a good salary

stefanovich · 22-02-2021 01:29PM

Laura2021 wrote: »

Someone said before that 950 a week isnt a good salary

You'd only get 950 with zero BIK or pension etc.

Cyrus · 22-02-2021 02:33PM

Laura2021 wrote: »

Someone said before that 950 a week isnt a good salary

That was gross not net i believe

22-02-2021 02:38PM

Laura2021 wrote: »

I know plenty who have degrees who work in Aib , Kbc other finance jobs , and someone in the Naval Service aswell as marketing in there jobs nearly 10 years and only one is on more then 40k and that is the one who works in the Naval Service based in cork . The
Ones in finance jobs like Aib , Kbc are on less then 35k
One of them is looking to go into Data analyst In there jobs but would be back at a starting position of less then 30k .

If your in a job 20 years doesnt mean you will get to a salary of just under 70k which is what you would need to make €950 a week after tax.

Laura2021 wrote: »

Didnt say the data analyst is low but starting off it is which my friend has to do after working close to 10 years In finance on less then 35k , didn't go up very much like most jobs you pay for your experience so waiting awhile before getting a good salary as a data analyst

Going by jobs online for a data analyst is around 43k - 55k then again how long will it take to get to that

It sounds like they got sh1t entry level banking jobs and just stayed there.
Earnings grow with career progression unless you are in the public sector where your earnings grow with service.
Private enterprise won't offer folk too many increments to stay doing much the same work for decades.

Laura2021 · 22-02-2021 03:28PM

Augeo wrote: »

It sounds like they got sh1t entry level banking jobs and just stayed there.
Earnings grow with career progression unless you are in the public sector where your earnings grow with service.
Private enterprise won't offer folk too many increments to stay doing much the same work for decades.

Yeah most of them seem to be happy where they are and are not looking to move on to get a higher salary. Only one who wants to get into data analysts but will have to start at entry position again .

22-02-2021 05:30PM

I still think preception has a lot to do with it.

A couple earning say 110k/120k between them would be most likely in the top 10% of earners yet they would be amazed to be thought of as well off.

Cyrus · 22-02-2021 06:11PM

mariaalice wrote: »

I still think preception has a lot to do with it.

A couple earning say 110k/120k between them would be most likely in the top 10% of earners yet they would be amazed to be thought of as well off.

not sure that they would, thats two people on average enough salaries, id be surprised if that would put them in 10% of households.

22-02-2021 06:15PM

Cyrus wrote: »

not sure that they would, thats two people on average enough salaries, id be surprised if that would put them in 10% of households.

The progressive nature of Ireland's personal tax system is also apparent in the distribution of Irish personal tax. In October 2013, the Department of Finance Tax Policy Group, highlighted the following personal tax (PAYE and EE–PRSI), statistics from the Irish Revenue Commissioners for the 2012 tax year:[8]

Top 1% of earners, earned over €200,000 in income and paid 20% of personal tax.
Top 5% of earners, earned over €100,000 in income and paid 40% of personal tax.
Top 23% of earners, earned earn over €50,000 in income and paid 77% of personal tax.
Bottom 77% of earners, earned less than €50,000 in income and paid 23% of personal tax.
The above format of the Tax Policy Group has never been reproduced,[28] in April 2018, the OECD and the Irish Revenue Commissioners disclosed that in 2015:[10]
Top 1% of earners, earned over €203,389 in income and paid 19% of personal tax.
Top 10% of earners, earned over €77,530 in income and paid 61% of personal tax.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxation_in_the_Republic_of_Ireland#:~:text=Top%2010%25%20of%20earners%2C%20earned,paid%2061%25%20of%20personal%20tax.

Those stats are a few years old as well.

22-02-2021 06:17PM

Cyrus wrote: »

not sure that they would, thats two people on average enough salaries, id be surprised if that would put them in 10% of households.

You are correct but they'd not be far off it going off 2016 figures ....... top 15% back then
https://www.cso.ie/en/releasesandpublications/ep/p-gpii/geographicalprofilesofincomeinireland2016/incomeinireland/

22-02-2021 06:35PM

My point is they dont feel like that because mostly they move in a milieu where that sort of income is considered normal or even average where they live, so its has become normalised to them.

22-02-2021 08:15PM

Well if you've €6k (after pension contribs etc) coming into the house with two people working......... mortgage of €1500 ish, maybe creche fees that are similar they won't really be living it up too much on the remaining €3k once they've paid the bills, saved a bit and fed and watered themselves and the kids.

They might be stretched actually if they've a penchant for splurging.

Laura2021 · 22-02-2021 09:37PM

Augeo wrote: »

Well if you've €6k (after pension contribs etc) coming into the house with two people working......... mortgage of €1500 ish, maybe creche fees that are similar they won't really be living it up too much on the remaining €3k once they've paid the bills, saved a bit and fed and watered themselves and the kids.

They might be stretched actually if they've a penchant for splurging.

Doesn't sound like alot when break it down your right but then us €1500 a month the average mortgage payment as everyone is different some pay under 1k .
I agree creche fees is a big bill to pay. Low creche fees would be starting at €1200 a month and go up

Might get lucky and get a child minder which would be alot cheaper or get help from parents if there lucky enough.

Average V Median wage Ireland?

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