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CONSTRUCTION LOCKDOWN JAN 2021

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  • Registered Users Posts: 625 ✭✭✭Private Joker


    We are in a very precarious situation with our renovation. We have rear access to the site until the start of May. Then the site behind us starts work. If we don't have at least the structure up( we're going with sips) and the ground works done we are in trouble.
    We have underpinning to do which but would that be considered essential?


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,506 ✭✭✭the_pen_turner


    We are in a very precarious situation with our renovation. We have rear access to the site until the start of May. Then the site behind us starts work. If we don't have at least the structure up( we're going with sips) and the ground works done we are in trouble.
    We have underpinning to do which but would that be considered essential?

    not under the current rules unfortunitly.
    site behind probably wont start on time either


  • Registered Users Posts: 625 ✭✭✭Private Joker


    not under the current rules unfortunitly.
    site behind probably wont start on time either

    Underpinning is to remedy an existing structural problem, would that not be covered . We have benn told that the contractor for the site behind is ready to go in may.
    Its very worrying.


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,506 ✭✭✭the_pen_turner


    Underpinning is to remedy an existing structural problem, would that not be covered . We have benn told that the contractor for the site behind is ready to go in may.
    Its very worrying.

    doesnt sound like a repair situation. more like renovation and expansion.
    hard to tell.


  • Registered Users Posts: 625 ✭✭✭Private Joker


    doesnt sound like a repair situation. more like renovation and expansion.
    hard to tell.

    Its both to be honest. I don't want to start the works and be told to stop.
    We have a semi basement that we want to make habitable but the back wall of the house is showing signs of creep. So the structural engineer has said that it will need to be underpinned. Which will also mean the replacement of steel columns holding up the floor above the basement as they are only half way up the back wall.
    Can it wait 2 months? probably. But when the ground starts drying out the problem will get worse.
    It was a bodged job by the previous owner, just done to sell.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 7,506 ✭✭✭the_pen_turner


    Its both to be honest. I don't want to start the works and be told to stop.
    We have a semi basement that we want to make habitable but the back wall of the house is showing signs of creep. So the structural engineer has said that it will need to be underpinned. Which will also mean the replacement of steel columns holding up the floor above the basement as they are only half way up the back wall.
    Can it wait 2 months? probably. But when the ground starts drying out the problem will get worse.
    It was a bodged job by the previous owner, just done to sell.

    thats the way you need to phrase it. thats a safety issue and threatening your home. in that case you should be allowed to make it safe. especially if you have a report


  • Registered Users Posts: 14,228 ✭✭✭✭Cienciano


    I've an extension with no roof on it. Builder actually had covid, but has recovered thank god. Is finishing a roof considered ok? Fair enough not doing the internal work. Builder reckons the house if fine without the roof and we can replace some wooden floor boards. It had no roof since before christmas. I'd rather get the roof on to keep the elements out. Anyone know if that's considered "emergency" work? Emergency work just keeping the structure standing?


  • Registered Users Posts: 512 ✭✭✭Frozen Veg


    Cienciano wrote: »
    I've an extension with no roof on it. Builder actually had covid, but has recovered thank god. Is finishing a roof considered ok? Fair enough not doing the internal work. Builder reckons the house if fine without the roof and we can replace some wooden floor boards. It had no roof since before christmas. I'd rather get the roof on to keep the elements out. Anyone know if that's considered "emergency" work? Emergency work just keeping the structure standing?

    Apologies edit. Misread post.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,606 ✭✭✭scwazrh


    Frozen Veg wrote: »
    It's open to interpretation. Hard to see how anyone could challenge you on that basis.

    This is the problem though, it’s not open to interpretation at all. If it’s essential work it can be done otherwise it can’t. Is putting a roof on to protect some flooring getting damaged essential ? Obviously not.
    I know plenty of people are looking for and finding loopholes to ignore the rules but plenty of people break the rules all the time , doesn’t make it right .


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 38,471 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    Underpinning is to remedy an existing structural problem, would that not be covered . We have benn told that the contractor for the site behind is ready to go in may.
    Its very worrying.

    Is the Commencement Notice lodged?


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  • Registered Users Posts: 14,228 ✭✭✭✭Cienciano


    scwazrh wrote: »
    This is the problem though, it’s not open to interpretation at all. If it’s essential work it can be done otherwise it can’t. Is putting a roof on to protect some flooring getting damaged essential ? Obviously not.
    I know plenty of people are looking for and finding loopholes to ignore the rules but plenty of people break the rules all the time , doesn’t make it right .

    Nothing is going to collapse over it. Although the entire house is open, lots of walls knocked down downstairs, no doors anywhere so the inside is really damp with all the wind and rain. So, "essential" is the word here, it's open to interpretation. Is it "essential" from a safety point of view? No.


  • Registered Users Posts: 216 ✭✭Corby Trouser Press


    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/q-a-what-can-we-expect-in-today-s-revised-living-with-covid-plan-1.4492014

    "Privately, and bluntly, one Government source says: “The only thing that’s going to happen between [now and] the end of April and May is the schools”."

    So... house building could potentially not be allowed restart properly until June.


  • Registered Users Posts: 512 ✭✭✭Frozen Veg


    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/q-a-what-can-we-expect-in-today-s-revised-living-with-covid-plan-1.4492014

    "Privately, and bluntly, one Government source says: “The only thing that’s going to happen between [now and] the end of April and May is the schools”."

    So... house building could potentially not be allowed restart properly until June.

    Good job we're not in the middle of a housing crisis.

    At what point does it become unconstitutional to stop someone building their home?

    Such a stressful situation for people.


  • Registered Users Posts: 216 ✭✭Corby Trouser Press


    Frozen Veg wrote: »
    Good job we're not in the middle of a housing crisis.

    At what point does it become unconstitutional to stop someone building their home?

    Such a stressful situation for people.

    Tom Parlon from CIF was just on Claire Byrne.

    Tom "Construction is fully open in the rest of the world, the UK, Europe, America..."

    Claire "There's half a million people dead in America from Covid!!!"

    That's where we are at at this stage.

    Hysterical nonsense from our national broadcaster as usual.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,120 ✭✭✭LCD


    It is so frustrating. In fairness I am in a better situation than some here, we are not under pressure to get out of our current home.
    I have been speaking to a few electricians & they are saying they won't go onto sites as is too obvious to the Garda that they are working. Instead they are calling to 5+ houses a day doing nixers. Reality is they would be safer on a one off build, working with just 1 or 2 others.


  • Registered Users Posts: 160 ✭✭ZeroSum76


    muffler wrote: »
    This is very much a fact filled thread in a fact filled forum so posting grossly exaggerated data isnt appreciated.

    Exaggerated data? Pffft. I didn't post any data - just a personal subjective exaggerated assumption... so it should have been obvious... also the use of the words "probably" and "more or less " should have underscored that. I don't think anyone was going to be mislead by that.

    However I do get the message.


  • Registered Users Posts: 14,228 ✭✭✭✭Cienciano


    Frozen Veg wrote: »
    Good job we're not in the middle of a housing crisis.

    At what point does it become unconstitutional to stop someone building their home?

    Such a stressful situation for people.

    Yeah, it's poxy. I sold at the end of 2019 but the sale fell through because of covid. Finally sold again after the first original lockdown. Moved around August to a temporary place, all my stuff is in storage. Builder started work on my new place in November. Hasn't been touched since before christmas. Was thinking I'd be in now. But the place is a shell. God knows when we finish and move in. This is all with 2 kids. If fúcking hurling and gaelic football goes back before construction, I'm chaining myself to the gates of Dail Eireann :pac:


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 30,655 Mod ✭✭✭✭Faith


    We bought a new build house in December. Foundations are in, and they'd just started the external walls before Christmas. It's a small phase in an existing development, just 7 houses being built. Before all of this, completion was expected in April. They'd hoped to make up time and complete in May when the construction closure was announced to continue to March 5th. I'm wondering if anyone could guesstimate as to timelines for completion once construction starts up again?

    I'm in the cohort of people living in temporary accommodation, and that ends in mid-May. I've no idea what we'll do afterwards - it's looking like we might have to get a rental lease somewhere and pray for a flexible landlord, because we don't really have any other options. Trouble is, we live in a small town popular with tourists, and summer will be the absolute worst time to be looking for anything temporary. It's fairly f*cking stressful, tbh.


  • Registered Users Posts: 14,228 ✭✭✭✭Cienciano


    Faith wrote: »
    We bought a new build house in December. Foundations are in, and they'd just started the external walls before Christmas. It's a small phase in an existing development, just 7 houses being built. Before all of this, completion was expected in April. They'd hoped to make up time and complete in May when the construction closure was announced to continue to March 5th. I'm wondering if anyone could guesstimate as to timelines for completion once construction starts up again?

    I'm in the cohort of people living in temporary accommodation, and that ends in mid-May. I've no idea what we'll do afterwards - it's looking like we might have to get a rental lease somewhere and pray for a flexible landlord, because we don't really have any other options. Trouble is, we live in a small town popular with tourists, and summer will be the absolute worst time to be looking for anything temporary. It's fairly f*cking stressful, tbh.
    Mine is an existing house getting renovated. Temp accommodation is very hard to find, I'm lucky to get one. Most landlords aren't interested in temporary lease as they'd rather longer term. Even air b&b is an option. But if you want something for about 5 weeks the price is mental. I contacted a load to see if they'd do 5 weeks for cheaper than the website quotes but they generally aren't interested. They'd rather leave it empty if you don't go through the website. Think part of the problem is people rent them through agents on air b&b. Plus, if you put in a month or 2 you need, if it's occupied at all during that time it won't come up as available.
    If you're near dublin, Premier Apartments were the best I found, they offered short term at a half decent rate and were helpful. You could actually talk to someone on the phone rather than through emails. They're apartments in Sandyford. Letting agents were a waste of time as apparently the percentage they get from short term is small so they ignore any short term enquiries.


  • Registered Users Posts: 48,132 ✭✭✭✭km79


    Found this nugget in the middle of the last indo article
    “ It is expected construction will return in April, but the ban on building will remain in place next month despite Housing Minister Darragh O’Brien saying he expected to return on March 5”

    WTF


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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,888 ✭✭✭malinheader


    km79 wrote: »
    Found this nugget in the middle of the last indo article
    “ It is expected construction will return in April, but the ban on building will remain in place next month despite Housing Minister Darragh O’Brien saying he expected to return on March 5”

    WTF

    They haven't a balls notion what they are at.
    All these restriction announcements made yesterday and they are still trying to decide who has to mandatory quarantine when coming into the country.
    Not be surprised if another different variant stops any easing during April.


  • Registered Users Posts: 48,132 ✭✭✭✭km79


    Actually hold on I’ve reread that
    It probably actually means March .
    I’m tired and frustrated so that got the better of me I think !
    Still no guarantees though and it does say that it will be staggered


  • Registered Users Posts: 227 ✭✭ADO


    So frustrated, our new build home was due to be finished end of Feb, it's now 5 weeks behind due to lock downs, now add on another 6 weeks and lord knows how many more lock downs in the meantime. We cant even get a valuation report done so as that we can move for AIP to Loan offer.


  • Registered Users Posts: 216 ✭✭Corby Trouser Press


    km79 wrote: »
    Actually hold on I’ve reread that
    It probably actually means March .
    I’m tired and frustrated so that got the better of me I think !
    Still no guarantees though and it does say that it will be staggered

    The last easing of Construction restrictions was set for March 5th... a Friday :confused:

    The next easing is set for April 5th... which is Easter Monday :confused:

    They really are clueless... and I hate using simplistic terms like that about politicians but there's just a lack of thought about the practicalities even of getting restarted.


  • Registered Users Posts: 13,261 ✭✭✭✭fits


    We need to build a wall and put up gates. Our house is fully open onto a quietish road at present and I’m getting increasingly worried that my kids will run out onto it at the wrong time. One has special needs and no road sense at all. Foundations are down and pillars up for gates. I’d there anyway of determining whether this is essential ?


  • Subscribers Posts: 41,037 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    fits wrote: »
    We need to build a wall and put up gates. Our house is fully open onto a quietish road at present and I’m getting increasingly worried that my kids will run out onto it at the wrong time. One has special needs and no road sense at all. Foundations are down and pillars up for gates. I’d there anyway of determining whether this is essential ?

    YOU make that decision, and be able to argue it if challenged.

    To be honest I wouldnt even consider the erection of a wall and gates to be "construction"


  • Registered Users Posts: 160 ✭✭ZeroSum76


    fits wrote: »
    We need to build a wall and put up gates. Our house is fully open onto a quietish road at present and I’m getting increasingly worried that my kids will run out onto it at the wrong time. One has special needs and no road sense at all. Foundations are down and pillars up for gates. I’d there anyway of determining whether this is essential ?

    You can contact the HSE and they will give you a definitive answer based on the guidelines.


  • Registered Users Posts: 43,024 ✭✭✭✭SEPT 23 1989


    fits wrote: »
    We need to build a wall and put up gates. Our house is fully open onto a quietish road at present and I’m getting increasingly worried that my kids will run out onto it at the wrong time. One has special needs and no road sense at all. Foundations are down and pillars up for gates. I’d there anyway of determining whether this is essential ?

    I would go ahead let the guards arrive if that even happens

    It would take a real bad egg of a cop not to just get back into the car after you explain your circumstances


  • Registered Users Posts: 13,261 ✭✭✭✭fits


    ZeroSum76 wrote: »
    You can contact the HSE and they will give you a definitive answer based on the guidelines.

    Thanks. I appreciate all replies. Would just like to know where we stand too.


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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 38,471 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    Faith wrote: »
    We bought a new build house in December. Foundations are in, and they'd just started the external walls before Christmas. It's a small phase in an existing development, just 7 houses being built. Before all of this, completion was expected in April. They'd hoped to make up time and complete in May when the construction closure was announced to continue to March 5th. I'm wondering if anyone could guesstimate as to timelines for completion once construction starts up again?

    I'm in the cohort of people living in temporary accommodation, and that ends in mid-May. I've no idea what we'll do afterwards - it's looking like we might have to get a rental lease somewhere and pray for a flexible landlord, because we don't really have any other options. Trouble is, we live in a small town popular with tourists, and summer will be the absolute worst time to be looking for anything temporary. It's fairly f*cking stressful, tbh.

    July/august at the earliest.


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