When will it all end?

end of the road · 21-02-2021 07:44PM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

We don't live on a boat, personal responsibility is enough, lockdown of healthy people is not required the WHO have said it.

the evidence says otherwise.
lock down of healthy people reduces the amount of virus in the community, thus transmission, thus cases and thus hospitalisations.
believe me i wish it was the case that by just ignoring it it would go away but unfortunately that isn't happening and it won't, so we have to face the reality of the situation we are in.

xhomelezz · 21-02-2021 07:44PM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

No do your own research.

Well you stating something as a fact without any back up, apart from telling me to do my own research..

drunkmonkey · 21-02-2021 07:49PM

xhomelezz wrote: »

Well you stating something as a fact without any back up, apart from telling me to do my own research..

You've no comprehension skills, demonstraded beyond any doubt the other day. If I told you the sun sets in the west you wouldn't belive it.

GazzaL · 21-02-2021 07:51PM

end of the road wrote: »

the evidence says otherwise.
lock down of healthy people reduces the amount of virus in the community, thus transmission, thus cases and thus hospitalisations.
believe me i wish it was the case that by just ignoring it it would go away but unfortunately that isn't happening and it won't, so we have to face the reality of the situation we are in.

Banning motor vehicles would reduce road accidents and deaths. Why don't we do that? There are acceptable levels of risk.

If you choose to lock yourself inside to avoid any risks associated with contact with the outside world, knock yourself out. You're having a ****ing laugh if you think everyone else is going to do the same.

21-02-2021 07:52PM

end of the road wrote: »

the evidence says otherwise.
lock down of healthy people reduces the amount of virus in the community, thus transmission, thus cases and thus hospitalisations.

Does it? Dublin and the vast majority of the country, was not in lockdown last summer, and the number of cases was less that it is now, after two months of level 5 lockdown.

GazzaL · 21-02-2021 07:53PM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

You've no comprehension skills, demonstraded beyond any doubt the other day. If I told you the sun sets in the west you wouldn't belive it.

Trying to reason with the pro-lockdown crowd is like trying to reason with flat earthers.

xhomelezz · 21-02-2021 07:54PM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

You've no comprehension skills, demonstraded beyond any doubt the other day. If I told you the sun sets in the west you wouldn't belive it.

Ah ok. Glad you have all the abilities to lead us through pandemic. And to be honest I'll be happy to follow guidelines and common sense instead of yours half baked bullshīt. Can't wait to see sun tomorrow morning cuz have to get up early for work.

beauf · 21-02-2021 07:55PM

GazzaL wrote: »

Banning motor vehicles would reduce road accidents and deaths. Why don't we do that? There are acceptable levels of risk.
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We do do that. You're only allowed in certain places, have to pass a difficult test, get a licence, get insurance, have medicals all sorts of rules and regulations.

We have had different levels of lockdown with different level of risk.

Scotty # · 21-02-2021 07:56PM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Really, someone should tell the WHO very irresponsible of them to suggest anything but lockdown.

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Why can't we listen to the advice from the WHO, restrictions should be on sick people and their contacts.

drunkmonkey wrote: »

We don't live on a boat, personal responsibility is enough, lockdown of healthy people is not required the WHO have said it.

Perhaps you should read the WHO's stance on lockdowns? They don't advise against them an in fact say they are often necessary but can have a negative impact on disadvantaged communities.

Charles Babbage · 21-02-2021 07:56PM

robbiezero wrote: »

How will health care workers suffer from people hiking?

Health care workers will suffer from a general willingness to spread Covid.

xhomelezz · 21-02-2021 07:56PM

GazzaL wrote: »

Trying to reason with the pro-lockdown crowd is like trying to reason with flat earthers.

There would be no pro-lockdown crowd if people would follow basic guidelines.

GazzaL · 21-02-2021 07:57PM

beauf wrote: »

We do do that. You're only allowed in certain places, have to pass a difficult test, get a licence, get insurance, have medicals all sorts of rules and regulations.

We have had different levels of lockdown with different level of risk.

It's official, the pro-lockdown crowd have lost the plot.

I said "We don't ban motor vehicles" and you say "We do do that". ****ing hell, when was the last time you even looked out a window at a road?

21-02-2021 07:59PM

end of the road wrote: »

nope, the protest against water charges had wide spread support thankfully as water charges are unjust.
protesting against public health measures on the other hand during a pandemic to deal with said pandemic isn't going to have the same support.

Wide spread support because everybody knew where it would end up and hit them in the pocket. Take away the PUP and supports you'll see what happens.
And to believe that its OK to protest against water charges but not for civil liberty or constitution/human rights is ridiculous.

because it does absolutely nothing in terms of controlling the virus, and you don't know exactly who or how many people have it due to asymptomatic cases.

CASES mean nothing if they tested people for being total clowns we would have huge numbers also.

end of the road · 21-02-2021 08:01PM

GazzaL wrote: »

Banning motor vehicles would reduce road accidents and deaths. Why don't we do that? There are acceptable levels of risk.

If you choose to lock yourself inside to avoid any risks associated with contact with the outside world, knock yourself out. You're having a ****ing laugh if you think everyone else is going to do the same.

and as already stated the car argument has failed because there are all sorts in place to deal with as much as is practical, the issues caused by cars.
just like there are things in place to deal with as much as is possible the effects of covid.
the acceptable amount of risk is already part of the restrictions.

tara2k wrote: »

Does it? Dublin and the vast majority of the country, was not in lockdown last summer, and the number of cases was less that it is now, after two months of level 5 lockdown.

yes, we had reduced the amount of cases such that we could open quite a bit, thanks to lock down.
cases did rise some bit in certain parts hence local restrictions were brought in for a time.

drunkmonkey · 21-02-2021 08:01PM

Scotty # wrote: »

Perhaps you should read the WHO's stance on lockdowns? They don't advise against them an in fact say they are often necessary but can have a negative impact on disadvantaged communities.

I did, read what Mike Ryan said the other day, he's pretty clear, the lockdown should be on the sick and their contacts. The rest of us should not be restricted.
https://www.rte.ie/news/2021/0217/1197553-trocaire-mike-ryan/

beauf · 21-02-2021 08:02PM

tara2k wrote: »

Does it? Dublin and the vast majority of the country, was not in lockdown last summer, and the number of cases was less that it is now, after two months of level 5 lockdown.

Things have changed. What worked back then was blown out of the water by Xmas. It's built up a head of steam now that won't be easy to get back under control. Level 5 on its current form might not be enough on is own. Not to say it can't be changed to work better and be less debilitating.

beauf · 21-02-2021 08:05PM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

I did, read what Mike Ryan said the other day, he's pretty clear, the lockdown should be on the sick and their contacts. The rest of us should not be restricted.
https://www.rte.ie/news/2021/0217/1197553-trocaire-mike-ryan/

So lockdown people who can get tested and prove they didn't have it. Not lockdown people who may have it and likely to spread it.

Actually he said more than that..

On Ireland's approach to Covid-19, he said the Irish people had done well to crush the curve three times, which he noted had been done quite quickly on each occasion.

While he said Ireland allowed itself get into that situation, the country was probably more efficient than others at shutting down the transmission when it reached a certain level.

...Reopening society will need to be managed carefully...

21-02-2021 08:05PM

End of the road like has been said many times, if you wanna stay home and stay safe then your quite welcome all the best to you. By let the people who wanna play sports play, let the kids who wanna go to school go to school, those who wanna get a drink or dinner etc etc that's there business.
You live your life and let others live there's.

Scotty # · 21-02-2021 08:06PM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

I did, read what Mike Ryan said the other day, he's pretty clear, the lockdown should be on the sick and their contacts. The rest of us should not be restricted.
https://www.rte.ie/news/2021/0217/1197553-trocaire-mike-ryan/

Nowhere in that article does he say lockdowns are not necessary. On the contrary , he commends Ireland for getting control back quite quickly on three occasions, which we did through lockdowns.

drunkmonkey · 21-02-2021 08:08PM

Scotty # wrote: »

Nowhere in that article does he say lockdowns are not necessary. On the contrary , he commends Ireland for getting control back quite quickly on three occasions, which we did through lockdowns.

"I've said this since the beginning, if you focus on cases, contacts and clusters, if you focus on restricting the movement of those who are sick or their contacts then you don't have to restrict the movement of all of society", he said.

end of the road · 21-02-2021 08:10PM

tommybrees wrote: »

CASES mean nothing if they tested people for being total clowns we would have huge numbers also.

the only thing that would happen with PUP removal is people in poverty.
it would not change anything in terms of restrictions or support for them as most know why they need to exist.
protesting for constitution is pointless as the 1947 public health act is likely constitutional.
protesting for civil liberties and human rights is pointless in this case as we have to restrict civil liberties to uphold human rights.

GazzaL · 21-02-2021 08:11PM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

"I've said this since the beginning, if you focus on cases, contacts and clusters, if you focus on restricting the movement of those who are sick or their contacts then you don't have to restrict the movement of all of society", he said.

Quoted, so they'll have to read the big print twice.

The Government, NPHET, and the HSE have failed to implement a proper testing and contact tracing system. Contrary to what the pro-lockdown crowd claim, every time Johnny or Mary travels more than 5km from home, a granny doesn't die.

Scotty # · 21-02-2021 08:13PM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

"I've said this since the beginning, if you focus on cases, contacts and clusters, if you focus on restricting the movement of those who are sick or their contacts then you don't have to restrict the movement of all of society", he said.

From the same article you've referenced..

Dr Mike Ryan who received Trócaire's Romero Award at an online ceremony today said "if societies open up, the virus will spread again and it will cause massive disruption".

GazzaL · 21-02-2021 08:15PM

Scotty # wrote: »

From the same article you've referenced..

which is why we need to "focus on restricting the movement of those who are sick or their contacts then you don't have to restrict the movement of all of society" and why the failure to implement a robust contact tracing system is scandalous.

beauf · 21-02-2021 08:15PM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

"I've said this since the beginning, if you focus on cases, contacts and clusters, if you focus on restricting the movement of those who are sick or their contacts then you don't have to restrict the movement of all of society", he said.

Unfortunately their contracts could be a massive number of people. If you could find out who they are. Which you can't.

GazzaL · 21-02-2021 08:17PM

It's amazing that even with vaccines being rolled out, the pro-lockdown crowd are still demanding permanent lockdowns.

end of the road · 21-02-2021 08:17PM

tommybrees wrote: »

End of the road like has been said many times, if you wanna stay home and stay safe then your quite welcome all the best to you. By let the people who wanna play sports play, let the kids who wanna go to school go to school, those who wanna get a drink or dinner etc etc that's there business.
You live your life and let others live there's.

your grand thanks, apart from getting the kids back to school as soon as we can, letting people do the rest and turning the country into a basket case with a crashed health system unable to treat anyone is something i think most wil give a miss, thanks.
you can get a drink and have dinner at home, much cheaper and more tastey.

ujjjjjjjjj · 21-02-2021 08:18PM

GazzaL wrote: »

Trying to reason with the pro-lockdown crowd is like trying to reason with flat earthers.

The most sensible and accurate post on this entire thread.......

beauf · 21-02-2021 08:21PM

GazzaL wrote: »

It's official, the pro-lockdown crowd have lost the plot.

I said "We don't ban motor vehicles" and you say "We do do that". ****ing hell, when was the last time you even looked out a window at a road?

Cars are not allowed everywhere. They are banned from closed roads and pedestrian areas for example. They are controlled. Maybe You've never seen that. Or just ignore those rules. Seems likely.

beauf · 21-02-2021 08:22PM

ujjjjjjjjj wrote: »

The most sensible and accurate post on this entire thread.......

My favourite was everywhere is closed and you're not allowed to do anything.

When will it all end?

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