When will it all end?

Real Donald Trump · 21-02-2021 02:09AM

Strumms wrote: »

if it’s in line with restrictions, certainly isn’t

We could get a few BLM people involved, it will be okay then

franciscanpunk · 21-02-2021 02:17AM

A lot of people saying the mood has changed and that people wont accept this anymore, i wish the second part was true but its not. Irish people have shown not only a massive desire to take this situation without question but also to try knock down anyone who dares question the almighy restrictions.

Personally I'll stick with the restrictions in general until the 5th of March(obv i still meet people outside for walks and stuff not doing that is just suffering to tell everyone what a saint you are to stick to the rules), after the expected bad news at next review(MM might do a midnight video on his old bebo account this time to slyly slip us the details), I'd imagine people I know will have fully given up at this stage and we'll people.over indoors for a few beers maybe a BBQ is weather is ok, then probably have people stay over for a night or 2. I'd love to say if the speed of reducing restrictions is too slow ill protest but i prob wont bother if i am honest, I'm still getting paid and trying to save some money so just ignoring govt n media seems is easier for now the forms of socialisation are cheaper

I didnt see my parents for 4 or 5 months in 2020, what a pointless sacrifice that was i cringe at the thought of the whole it will be worth it rubbish at the time, meet them outside for a walk now most weekends, don't go into the house yet n will hold until they are vaccinated. They want me to come in but ill leave it a while longer. Obv can't do that forever though like do people expect us to never set foot in our families homes again!

Strumms · 21-02-2021 02:25AM

emo72 wrote: »

Strumms. FG and FF have lost. They had the ignominy of joining together and still needed the greens! It's over for them, this is their last lap. They both got a kicking last time, they'll get kicked harder next time.

The country has had enough of nphet and the government locking us out of our livelihoods, and then letting flights in from Brazil bringing more viruses.
And blaming us for not holding "firm". **** off we are not thicks.

The shark has jumped this weekend. The worm has turned. You can feel it in the air. Everyone has had enough.

I’m no fan of either... but Labour don’t have the talent, SF certainly don’t have the talent and are still an untrustworthy terrorist mouthpiece who play up with consistency to their narrow minded support base...have defended and facilitated both criminals and terrorists to the hilt and without hesitation and will continue to actively do so, not just terrorists but criminals and wider criminality too.... prioritized the needs and wants of ‘their’ few ahead of the needs and greater wants of society and the good of the nation... haven’t changed and not going to change now, their legacy is clear.... you’d need your brain drained if you thought they were, Sinn Fein... Jesus haha... the lot of them couldn’t come up with an answer in a pub quiz let alone the answers to the situation we are in now.

FF / FG whilst not a perfect record as regards their handling of covid are far more trustworthy than those absolutely dreadful shinners...

josip · 21-02-2021 02:30AM

A lot of people are in favour of restrictions because they are in a high risk group.
I suspect that after they have been vaccinated, no more will be heard from them.
Those that are in favour of restrictions for other reasons, well there's not really much point engaging with them, if they still want restrictions after the at-risk groups have been vaccinated.

Charles Babbage · 21-02-2021 02:35AM

Samsonsmasher wrote: »

The two doctors who were staying in a guesthouse in the Wicklow hills and kindly saved a stranded dog while out hiking are now being investigated for being outside their 5km. The guesthouse was giving doctors and other frontline workers treating people a place to take a breather.
Some member of the public contacted the Gardaí.

That's what we have become as a country.

Can you believe this???

Of course I can believe this. RTÉ ran a news item which implied that it was fine to go off hiking whenever it suited you. This type of hypocrisy sets a very bad example and health care workers are exactly the people that will suffer if everyone acts in a selfish manner. Health workers excusing themselves is not different than TDs doing so, or Gardaí cancelling their own speeding tickets.

Most people making a good effort, but this lockdown is being kept going by people acting the maggot.

And of course most on this thread, and those giving out about this investigation do not give a damn about health workers as they oppose any effort to keep Covid numbers down.

josip · 21-02-2021 02:46AM

Charles Babbage wrote: »

Of course I can believe this. RTÉ ran a news item which implied that it was fine to go off hiking whenever it suited you. This type of hypocrisy sets a very bad example and health care workers are exactly the people that will suffer if everyone acts in a selfish manner. Health workers excusing themselves is not different than TDs doing so, or Gardaí cancelling their own speeding tickets.

Most people making a good effort, but this lockdown is being kept going by people acting the maggot.

And of course most on this thread, and those giving out about this investigation do not give a damn about health workers as they oppose any effort to keep Covid numbers down.

What many on this thread seem to be saying are that they've given up a lot for a long time to prevent our Victorian Health System from being overloaded.
In a couple of weeks time, when the health workers will have been fully vaccinated, we would like a bit of thought to be given to all those who have had to give up their job for the past year and to allow them to get back to work.

NIMAN · 21-02-2021 02:53AM

Probably posted already, but I see someone obviously got fed up that they can't leave their 5km limit, but 2 folk who rescued a dog and made the news were able to

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/health/boutique-lodge-stops-offering-mental-health-breaks-to-essential-front-line-workers-40111970.html

gozunda · 21-02-2021 03:05AM

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

Very encouraging to read in this thread and other threads about amount of people that have given up following this restrictions nonsense.
I played some poker there last night with mates. I am the reason we are in level 5, and me alone
Do not let this nonsense get to you. Things will get better. If history is anything to go by the only time things change dramatically is when enough people are in poverty and enough are desperate. We are currently at a breaking point as a nation. Things will change very soon, much sooner than 9 weeks thats for sure.

Seriously? From day 1 you've been against any restrictions and generally against any public health advice issued.

So is it any surprise you haven't changed your opinion and despite 4000 deaths and over 200000 cases - you're still pushing the same rubbish even with Ireland winning the accolade of having the highest rate of covid infection in the world in January. For which we're still paying the penalty...

gozunda · 21-02-2021 03:09AM

Silentcorner wrote: »

Well, as another poster quiet rightly pointed out...we'll be in level 5 until at least May any way so we might as well not give a damn anymore....

I've a family dinner tomorrow, I see my neighbour has a load of friends over tonight for the first time in months...Martin f**ked up being the useless f**k up he is!!!!

I believe you already know that's a big pile of cow manure ...

Varadkar: Taoiseach did not say Level 5 would last until May

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/politics/arid-40230062.html

bluelamp · 21-02-2021 03:21AM

emo72 wrote: »

and then letting flights in from Brazil bringing more viruses.

Ireland has had the largest reduction in air travel of any European country, and all arriving passengers require a negative PCR test now. Our cases were far lower at times when passenger numbers were much higher. We have never had less arriving passengers than we do now - that's a fact.

I find it extremely hard to believe that three Brazilian cases have had any significant effect on our case numbers.

Funny how we were told at the very start that we wouldn't be referring to it any longer as the "Chinese coronavirus" as it was culturally insensitive and places blame on a population.

Yet here here we are with the government referring to the English variant, South african variant, Brazilian variant.

I think the announcement of the Brazilian variant was the usual Friday evening misery to scare people into compliance.

It has been blame blame blame from the get go by the government, and the pretty much insignificant number of international travellers is now the latest. If travel is the issue why are we doing so much worse than countries that haven't restricted travel nearly as much?

The public are copping on to this tactic finally. The policy of lockdowns and a blame culture isn't working.

We can blame anything we want - variants, house parties, travel, northern Irish builders, the UK, teenagers etc etc - but the fact is - it's gotten us nowhere a year later.

NeuralNetwork · 21-02-2021 03:27AM

The vaccine programme needs to be the absolute focus and whatever it needs to work at maximum speed both in Ireland and at the EU side of that supply chain needs to be given to it.

Hopefully that is happening, but we need to think of this as an investment in time. The more we put into the vaccine programme the more economic and social benefits we get back.

It’s not a zero sum budget allocation. It’s an investment that pays huge dividends in opening up society sooner.

Realistically, there is no non-technical way out of this mess.

The virus is genuinely too problematic, transmissible and dangerous to have any notion of living with it.

We aren’t realistically able to entirely seal the borders, but we should be doing a lot more to close them fully to any high risk places. That cannot be messed around with and rules can’t be bent by any vested interest. The costs of screwing that up aren’t small & will outweigh any notion of short term gain.

I think we need to get a bit real and stop this notion of “living with covid”. It’s absolute b/s and we need to be in a technical elimination strategy which is primarily about vaccines, but also treatments and pragmatic border controls.

Think of it as every week we shorten this by is an extra week of economic activity won back and that’s even without counting the very significant social gains too.

LineOfBeauty · 21-02-2021 04:01AM

I don't think it's wrong to ask what level of the population needs to be vaccinated until things are opened up to a normal/near normal degree. A bit of transparency and maybe actually giving the public a target number might improve the mood and mental health of people?

46 Long · 21-02-2021 04:01AM

NeuralNetwork wrote: »

I think we need to get a bit real and stop this notion of “living with covid”. It’s absolute b/s and we need to be in a technical elimination strategy which is primarily about vaccines, but also treatments and pragmatic border controls.

There is no eliminating Covid19.

No way, no how, no hope.

It's here and we're just going to have to come to terms with it. We do not live in a utopia where illness can be willed out of existence and no amount of heavy-handed NPIs and repression of basic civil liberties are going to prevent this virus from becoming endemic.

gozunda · 21-02-2021 04:04AM

bluelamp wrote: »

Ireland has had the largest reduction in air travel of any European country, and all arriving passengers require a negative PCR test now. Our cases were far lower at times when passenger numbers were much higher. We have never had less arriving passengers than we do now - that's a fact.

I find it extremely hard to believe that three Brazilian cases have had any significant effect on our case numbers.

Funny how we were told at the very start that we wouldn't be referring to it any longer as the "Chinese coronavirus" as it was culturally insensitive and places blame on a population.

Yet here here we are with the government referring to the English variant, South african variant, Brazilian variant.

I think the announcement of the Brazilian variant was the usual Friday evening misery to scare people into compliance.

It has been blame blame blame from the get go by the government, and the pretty much insignificant number of international travellers is now the latest. If travel is the issue why are we doing so much worse than countries that haven't restricted travel nearly as much?

The public are copping on to this tactic finally. The policy of lockdowns and a blame culture isn't working.

We can blame anything we want - variants, house parties, travel, northern Irish builders, the UK, teenagers etc etc - but the fact is - it's gotten us nowhere a year later.

What do you suggest is done?

46 Long · 21-02-2021 04:34AM

gozunda wrote: »

What do you suggest is done?

The (seemingly) hardest thing of all - nothing. As counterintuitive as it may sound we need to start rolling back restrictions to a baseline L2/L3 level before what is left of people's resolve and mental health is completely gone.

We have collectively gone off the deep end in our thirst for ever more heavy-handed restrictions and there is a limit to the number of times people will delude themselves that this lockdown might just work if only we locked down harder and longer.

Lockdowns and restrictions haven't failed because we haven't locked down hard enough - they're failing because we continue in our pig-headed stupidity to swing an axe at a problem best approached with skilled hands and a scalpel.

Charles Babbage · 21-02-2021 04:59AM

46 Long wrote: »

The (seemingly) hardest thing of all - nothing. As counterintuitive as it may sound we need to start rolling back restrictions to a baseline L2/L3 level before what is left of people's resolve and mental health is completely gone.

We have collectively gone off the deep end in our thirst for ever more heavy-handed restrictions and there is a limit to the number of times people will delude themselves that this lockdown might just work if only we locked down harder and longer.

Lockdowns and restrictions haven't failed because we haven't locked down hard enough - they're failing because we continue in our pig-headed stupidity to swing an axe at a problem best approached with skilled hands and a scalpel.

Yes, but a scalpel approach is only really possible if there are fewer cases. We need fast testing and follow up investigation. Our failure was not doing that last summer when we had the numbers down.

drunkmonkey · 21-02-2021 05:38AM

Charles Babbage wrote: »

Yes, but a scalpel approach is only really possible if there are fewer cases. We need fast testing and follow up investigation. Our failure was not doing that last summer when we had the numbers down.

We need to treat symptoms to prevent hospitalisations until that happens we're at nothing. You can't even see a doctor these days, if sick your told isolate, that is a complete cop out by GP's.

beauf · 21-02-2021 06:08AM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

We need to treat symptoms to prevent hospitalisations until that happens we're at nothing. You can't even see a doctor these days, if sick your told isolate, that is a complete cop out by GP's.

We've brought family to GPs and to hospital during the lockdowns where needed and got treatment as appropriate.

beauf · 21-02-2021 06:10AM

46 Long wrote: »

The (seemingly) hardest thing of all - nothing. As counterintuitive as it may sound we need to start rolling back restrictions ....

Worked well the last time...not.

GazzaL · 21-02-2021 06:33AM

josip wrote: »

A lot of people are in favour of restrictions because they are in a high risk group.
I suspect that after they have been vaccinated, no more will be heard from them.
Those that are in favour of restrictions for other reasons, well there's not really much point engaging with them, if they still want restrictions after the at-risk groups have been vaccinated.

There's plenty of high risk people that aren't in favour of restrictions. I know a lot of high risk people that are continuing to do non-essential work and/or break the 5km limit to socialise with people.

GazzaL · 21-02-2021 06:46AM

NeuralNetwork wrote: »

The vaccine programme needs to be the absolute focus and whatever it needs to work at maximum speed both in Ireland and at the EU side of that supply chain needs to be given to it.

Hopefully that is happening, but we need to think of this as an investment in time. The more we put into the vaccine programme the more economic and social benefits we get back.

It’s not a zero sum budget allocation. It’s an investment that pays huge dividends in opening up society sooner.

Realistically, there is no non-technical way out of this mess.

The virus is genuinely too problematic, transmissible and dangerous to have any notion of living with it.

We aren’t realistically able to entirely seal the borders, but we should be doing a lot more to close them fully to any high risk places. That cannot be messed around with and rules can’t be bent by any vested interest. The costs of screwing that up aren’t small & will outweigh any notion of short term gain.

I think we need to get a bit real and stop this notion of “living with covid”. It’s absolute b/s and we need to be in a technical elimination strategy which is primarily about vaccines, but also treatments and pragmatic border controls.

Think of it as every week we shorten this by is an extra week of economic activity won back and that’s even without counting the very significant social gains too.

A "technical elimination strategy" is a piece of fantasy. You can still contract COVID after being vaccinated. If we vaccinate 100% of the population, COVID will still circulate in Ireland. COVID is here to stay. We have to live with COVID along with every other illness out there.

If you could focus your technical elimination strategy on cancer research which kills at least 3 times as many people in Ireland compared to COVID, that would be a more productive use of your time and wouldn't impinge on anyone's personal freedoms.

agoodpunt · 21-02-2021 07:04AM

The positive news in the UK everyone vacced by end of july fans back in football stadiums easter opening up
While here we hope to maintain one of the worlds stricted lockdowns on the back of possible new straines
I am leaving ireland in march wont be back, after this country opens 2022 those who work will taxed into poverty

El_Duderino 09 · 21-02-2021 09:04AM

LineOfBeauty wrote: »

I don't think it's wrong to ask what level of the population needs to be vaccinated until things are opened up to a normal/near normal degree. A bit of transparency and maybe actually giving the public a target number might improve the mood and mental health of people?

You say that but they don’t know the answer to the question. So they could staff-off a few numbers, like 60% immunity in the community, which they have no intention to stick to, just to make you feel better. Then just change it later. But I think that’s not likely to make you happier.

They could also spaff-off a very high number, just to get people to shut up. For example they could say we need 90% immunity in the population before we go back to normal. Since we’re unlikely to ever reach 90% immunity.

Those are numbers. Would they make you happier?

ShyMets · 21-02-2021 09:18AM

agoodpunt wrote: »

The positive news in the UK everyone vacced by end of july fans back in football stadiums easter opening up
While here we hope to maintain one of the worlds stricted lockdowns on the back of possible new straines
I am leaving ireland in march wont be back, after this country opens 2022 those who work will taxed into poverty

Bye bye

drunkmonkey · 21-02-2021 09:19AM

beauf wrote: »

We've brought family to GPs and to hospital during the lockdowns where needed and got treatment as appropriate.

What treatments were they prescribed for Covid before ending up in hospital?

robbiezero · 21-02-2021 09:24AM

Charles Babbage wrote: »

Of course I can believe this. RTÉ ran a news item which implied that it was fine to go off hiking whenever it suited you. This type of hypocrisy sets a very bad example and health care workers are exactly the people that will suffer if everyone acts in a selfish manner. Health workers excusing themselves is not different than TDs doing so, or Gardaí cancelling their own speeding tickets.

Most people making a good effort, but this lockdown is being kept going by people acting the maggot.

And of course most on this thread, and those giving out about this investigation do not give a damn about health workers as they oppose any effort to keep Covid numbers down.

How will health care workers suffer from people hiking?

robbiezero · 21-02-2021 09:26AM

franciscanpunk wrote: »

A lot of people saying the mood has changed and that people wont accept this anymore, i wish the second part was true but its not. Irish people have shown not only a massive desire to take this situation without question but also to try knock down anyone who dares question the almighy restrictions.

Personally I'll stick with the restrictions in general until the 5th of March(obv i still meet people outside for walks and stuff not doing that is just suffering to tell everyone what a saint you are to stick to the rules), after the expected bad news at next review(MM might do a midnight video on his old bebo account this time to slyly slip us the details), I'd imagine people I know will have fully given up at this stage and we'll people.over indoors for a few beers maybe a BBQ is weather is ok, then probably have people stay over for a night or 2. I'd love to say if the speed of reducing restrictions is too slow ill protest but i prob wont bother if i am honest, I'm still getting paid and trying to save some money so just ignoring govt n media seems is easier for now the forms of socialisation are cheaper

I didnt see my parents for 4 or 5 months in 2020, what a pointless sacrifice that was i cringe at the thought of the whole it will be worth it rubbish at the time, meet them outside for a walk now most weekends, don't go into the house yet n will hold until they are vaccinated. They want me to come in but ill leave it a while longer. Obv can't do that forever though like do people expect us to never set foot in our families homes again!

Sensible stuff and if those in charge had a modicum of cop on, they would be buildiing this sort of stuff into the restrictions from March.

Sadly they don't.

Samsonsmasher · 21-02-2021 09:42AM

Charles Babbage wrote: »

Of course I can believe this. RTÉ ran a news item which implied that it was fine to go off hiking whenever it suited you. This type of hypocrisy sets a very bad example and health care workers are exactly the people that will suffer if everyone acts in a selfish manner. Health workers excusing themselves is not different than TDs doing so, or Gardaí cancelling their own speeding tickets.

Most people making a good effort, but this lockdown is being kept going by people acting the maggot.

And of course most on this thread, and those giving out about this investigation do not give a damn about health workers as they oppose any effort to keep Covid numbers down.

Wait? You actually support the Garda investigation???

Jesus wept..

ThunbergsAreGo · 21-02-2021 09:54AM

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

You say that but they don’t know the answer to the question. So they could staff-off a few numbers, like 60% immunity in the community, which they have no intention to stick to, just to make you feel better. Then just change it later. But I think that’s not likely to make you happier.

They could also spaff-off a very high number, just to get people to shut up. For example they could say we need 90% immunity in the population before we go back to normal. Since we’re unlikely to ever reach 90% immunity.

Those are numbers. Would they make you happier?

Yes

ThunbergsAreGo · 21-02-2021 09:57AM

Charles Babbage wrote: »

Yes, but a scalpel approach is only really possible if there are fewer cases. We need fast testing and follow up investigation. Our failure was not doing that last summer when we had the numbers down.

Do they really have no idea where cases are coming from or trends/areas more likely to see cases?

A year on thats shambolic

When will it all end?

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