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Covid 19 Part XXXII-215,743 ROI (4,137 deaths)111,166 NI (2,036 deaths)(22/02)Read OP

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  • #8942
    Denny61
    Site Banned Posts: 916 ✭✭✭Denny61


    iamwhoiam wrote: »
    I find it hilarious that they tell us constantly they cant predict what next week will bring and they must wait for numbers and cases etc . But suddenly they can predict what the summer will be like and how we can’t expect hospitality to open
    You sound a hilarious person yourself..any one can predict a few days in advance but no one can predict a few weeks ahead let alone a few months. As what the lie of the land will be like.this virus will be with us for a long time .and it's difficult to say what shape or form it will take in the future..that is why we always have to be very very cautious..so dont be acting like a child and think like a mature adult...its always easy to blame the government..nphet for everything as regards the hit our economy has taken ..but look at how many has died..or suffering from long term covid symptoms..and please don't come back with replies like..oh what about our mental health..yes out mental health is important but opening up places and allowing people to mix or gather in groups may be good for our mental well being but it will also kill people...young and old.....


  • #8943
    Stheno
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,685 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    Sweet.Science wrote: »
    Surely not putting dates just an indefinite lockdown would be worse re compliance ?

    Thats my thinking too, if people don't know proposed dates it gives nothing to aim for

    Or something solid tbh


  • #8944
    ninebeanrows
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,780 ✭✭✭✭ninebeanrows


    McConckey quoted on the radio as saying the Brazilian variant escapes the vaccine

    Does he have any evidence of this? This guy should not be allowed on the airwaves, shocking behavior.


  • #8945
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 232 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    D9Male wrote: »
    He didn't "predict" that. He gave that as a worst case scenario. His median prediction was 20k deaths, I seem to remember. And all of this was in the context of no restrictions, with the virus doing the rounds of the populations and no vaccine.

    At this stage I believe posts like yours are deliberately trolling the forum.

    He said, and I quote, that Covid was going to be "the Spanish flu, mixed up with the Irish civil war, which was 100 years ago, mixed up with the 1929 stock market crash". He went on to say, and again I quote: "I estimate there could be between 80 and 120,000 deaths.".

    In the same interview, he stated: "Our best case scenario we’ve passed. My median scenario is that we’d have a 20 per cent attack rate and 20,000 deaths".

    He then went on to say: "Worst case scenario is potentially up to an 80 per cent attack rate — that’s four million and again the two per cent death rate which could even be three or four per cent"

    (That's him up to 160,000 deaths now).

    Other McConkey predictions include a 10pm curfew (October) under Level Six restrictions of our Five Level system, and then went onto predict Level Ten restrictions.

    He is a catastrophist who has completely lost the run of himself.


  • #8946
    Deeper Blue
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,500 ✭✭✭Deeper Blue


    ninebeanrows wrote: »
    McConckey quoted on the radio as saying the Brazilian variant escapes the vaccine

    Does he have any evidence of this? This guy should not be allowed on the airwaves, shocking behavior.

    Did he actually say that? That's shockingly irresponsible


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  • #8947
    CIARAN_BOYLE
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,595 ✭✭✭✭CIARAN_BOYLE


    ninebeanrows wrote: »
    McConckey quoted on the radio as saying the Brazilian variant escapes the vaccine

    Does he have any evidence of this? This guy should not be allowed on the airwaves, shocking behavior.

    The Brazilian variabt has the e448k mutation which the South African variant has.

    Scientists believe that this mutation is what has caused several vaccine studies to show reduced efficacy for the sa variant.

    That said its reduced efficacy not non functioning vaccines.

    Obviously we should be doing our utmost to keep this variant out. Nothing controversial in what he was saying.


  • #8948
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    D9Male wrote: »
    He didn't "predict" that. He gave that as a worst case scenario. His median prediction was 20k deaths, I seem to remember. And all of this was in the context of no restrictions, with the virus doing the rounds of the populations and no vaccine.

    At this stage I believe posts like yours are deliberately trolling the forum.

    https://www.irishexaminer.com/opinion/columnists/arid-40081700.html
    I suggest you read the article before you accuse someone of trolling


  • #8949
    Locotastic
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 754 ✭✭✭Locotastic


    iamwhoiam wrote: »
    Its behind a paywall for me . But if they can’t predict then they need to stop guessing about the summer too in my opinion

    Agree, it's soul destroying to be hearing well you might be allowed to meet up out doors in August, we'll see if everyone behaves. It makes people just want to give two fingers to the whole thing.

    They need to remember that taking peoples freedoms by cooperation is very different to trying to enforce restrictions against general consent of the population.

    Even the language they use, cannot, not allowed, not permitted, restrictions, strict lockdown. We're not being asked for our cooperation any more, we are being scolded, and they would be sensible to realise that they need people to support the restrictions.

    There has definitely been a shift in attitudes the past week and I suspect the lockdown will be finished shortly regardless of what government say.


  • #8950
    iamwhoiam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,264 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    Locotastic wrote: »
    Agree, it's soul destroying to be hearing well you might be allowed to meet up out doors in August, we'll see if everyone behaves. It makes people just want to give two fingers to the whole thing.

    They need to remember that taking peoples freedoms by cooperation is very different to trying to enforce restrictions against general consent of the population.

    Even the language they use, cannot, not allowed, not permitted, restrictions, strict lockdown. We're not being asked for our cooperation any more, we are being scolded, and they would be sensible to realise that they need people to support the restrictions.

    There has definitely been a shift in attitudes the past week and I suspect the lockdown will be finished shortly regardless of what government say.

    They have gambled and lost the people . People are now out meeting in gardens and outside for a chat . People know now what they need to do to look after theur mental health


  • #8951
    Cork2021
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,443 ✭✭✭Cork2021


    CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »
    The Brazilian variabt has the e448k mutation which the South African variant has.

    Scientists believe that this mutation is what has caused several vaccine studies to show reduced efficacy for the sa variant.

    That said its reduced efficacy not non functioning vaccines.

    Obviously we should be doing our utmost to keep this variant out. Nothing controversial in what he was saying.

    I would say it’s controversial to be honest, all these lads keep sticking their neck out to get air time as they know they’ll become irrelevant as soon as we fully open up. A poster mentioned earlier it’s strange to see that all of these experts have PHDs and so on but actually don’t look at the science in front of them, they just stick to their own narrative and don’t want to recognise progress and facts!


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  • #8952
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Sweet.Science wrote: »
    Surely not putting dates just an indefinite lockdown would be worse re compliance ?
    The very vague Mid-April/May and "not set in stone" are more likely to make people give up.


  • #8953
    wadacrack
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,172 ✭✭✭wadacrack


    ninebeanrows wrote: »
    McConckey quoted on the radio as saying the Brazilian variant escapes the vaccine

    Does he have any evidence of this? This guy should not be allowed on the airwaves, shocking behavior.


    Theirs evidence in this article.

    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/fight-against-covid-19-variants-south-africa-lesson-world-n1258319

    Important read and I can understand why we are being cautions. Lessons need to be learned from South Africa. Its frustrating but we are still in a precarious position with this virus.


  • #8954
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,467 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    ninebeanrows wrote: »
    McConckey quoted on the radio as saying the Brazilian variant escapes the vaccine

    Does he have any evidence of this? This guy should not be allowed on the airwaves, shocking behavior.

    He'd be wrong saying it escapes vaccine

    https://twitter.com/thisweekrte/status/1363479676518363142?s=19


  • #8955
    retro:electro
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,039 ✭✭✭✭retro:electro


    is_that_so wrote: »
    The very vague Mid-April/May and "not set in stone" are more likely to make people give up.

    Precisely. Why would anyone continue on with this nonsense with no set target in sight? No dates or no case number target to give us something to work towards. Just more of the same for an infinite amount of weeks. Could be May could be June could be July. Who knows. Sure we’ll tell ye around then. Why the hell would anyone agree to that?


  • #8956
    titan18
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,057 ✭✭✭✭titan18


    Plenty of people out meeting each other from what I saw. Bit annoying really as they're taking up footpaths around the park which is bloody annoying.


  • #8957
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    titan18 wrote: »
    Plenty of people out meeting each other from what I saw. Bit annoying really as they're taking up footpaths around the park which is bloody annoying.
    Well, they know that Gardai are patrolling the parks!


  • #8958
    titan18
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,057 ✭✭✭✭titan18


    is_that_so wrote: »
    Well, they know that Gardai are patrolling the parks!

    I saw a gardai car drive past and nothing happened so if they are they're not doing a good job. People out drinking on the green area and bench in groups of 10+.

    I don't particularly care, just wish they stayed off the footpaths.


  • #8959
    lawred2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,769 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    titan18 wrote: »
    I saw a gardai car drive past and nothing happened so if they are they're not doing a good job. People out drinking on the green area and bench in groups of 10+.

    I don't particularly care, just wish they stayed off the footpaths.

    Person in crowd gives out about others in crowd


  • #8960
    Locotastic
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 754 ✭✭✭Locotastic


    titan18 wrote: »
    I saw a gardai car drive past and nothing happened so if they are they're not doing a good job. People out drinking on the green area and bench in groups of 10+.

    I don't particularly care, just wish they stayed off the footpaths.

    Gardai can't patrol everyone and everything, and they'll have a lot more to deal with soon when a more and more people start 'breaching restrictions' aka living normal lives again.

    Lockdown by name only, unenforceable.


  • #8961
    Happydays2020
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,677 ✭✭✭Happydays2020


    It seems that the strategy to avoid a 4th lock down is to stay indefinitely in the 3rd lock down.


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  • #8962
    lawred2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,769 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    Locotastic wrote: »
    Gardai can't patrol everyone and everything, and they'll have a lot more to deal with soon when a lot more people start 'breaching restrictions' aka living normal lives again.

    Lockdown by name only, unenforceable.

    Was in St Anne's Park in Raheny today. Lovely sunny day and busy with people out and about.

    Garda car drove in and left after a short while.

    What exactly are they looking for? What exactly are they looking to do?

    They'd need more than the two of them in car to clear the park... :confused:


  • #8963
    titan18
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,057 ✭✭✭✭titan18


    lawred2 wrote: »
    Person in crowd gives out about others in crowd

    I was out walking by myself, so not in a crowd. Am I not allowed walk in the park closest to my house now?


  • #8964
    lawred2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,769 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    titan18 wrote: »
    I was out walking by myself, so not in a crowd.

    crowds are collections of individuals


  • #8965
    Windmill100000
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 585 ✭✭✭Windmill100000


    lawred2 wrote: »
    Was in St Anne's Park in Raheny today. Lovely sunny day and busy with people out and about.

    Garda car drove in and left after a short while.

    What exactly are they looking for? What exactly are they looking to do?

    They'd need more than the two of them in car to clear the park... :confused:

    Who knows what they were looking for. Clearly people walking in a park is not an issue, which we already know.


  • #8966
    SCOOP 64
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,626 ✭✭✭SCOOP 64


    Nice day to out for a change.


  • #8967
    titan18
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,057 ✭✭✭✭titan18


    lawred2 wrote: »
    crowds are collections of individuals

    Big difference between people walking by themselves or with own other Vs 10 people sitting on the footpath drinking cans together.

    Anyway I was giving out about them crowding the footpaths not breaching covid restrictions. The latter behaviour is obnoxious in pre covid times when there's plenty of green area there.


  • #8968
    Locotastic
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 754 ✭✭✭Locotastic


    Happydays2020 wrote: »
    It seems that the strategy to avoid a 4th lock down is to stay indefinitely in the 3rd lock down.

    Either that or make everyone so hopeless and miserable with no end in sight so we all reclaim our own freedom, that way they can blame the nation and not their shoddy communication, planning and leadership.

    Kinda like what happened at Christmas.


  • #8969
    SPDUB
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,349 ✭✭✭SPDUB


    679 cases

    1 Death


    TV3 News


  • #8970
    MrMusician18
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,143 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    Stheno wrote: »
    Thats my thinking too, if people don't know proposed dates it gives nothing to aim for

    Or something solid tbh

    How can government give something solid when the lifting of the restrictions is largely behaviour driven? It's not going to introduce a promise into the mix which reduce compliance even further.

    The current levels of restrictions are not likely to last beyond April, simply because the most vulnerable will be vaccinated. While we may see cases rise going into summer, it's quite likely we will still see hospitalisations fall and consequently pressure eased on the health service. Expect a slow unwinding to mitigation measures over summer to September and vigilance into winter.

    The obsession with dates are targets is curious, borderline **** stirring tbh. The path we are on is obvious


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  • #8971
    SeaMermaid
    Closed Accounts Posts: 62 ✭✭SeaMermaid


    retro:electro wrote: »
    Precisely. Why would anyone continue on with this nonsense with no set target in sight? No dates or no case number target to give us something to work towards. Just more of the same for an infinite amount of weeks. Could be May could be June could be July. Who knows. Sure we’ll tell ye around then. Why the hell would anyone agree to that?

    That reads like such a childish tantrum. We know the goal is to get the numbers down into the low 100s so that a reopening or easing of restrictions can be as successful and as safe as possible.


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