When will it all end?

beauf · 21-02-2021 03:15PM

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

I didnt start from that point.

Sorry this is just pointless to continue. welcome to the ignore list

Not to worry, you'll still see my posts when people quote them.

and I can still quote yours. So all good.

end of the road · 21-02-2021 03:17PM

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

Please dont. I dont know if you are aware or not but in Ireland, less people died in 2020 than in 2019.

Seriously today is not the day for your posts. it really isnt. Get courage - go outside. seriously

assuming that statement is true then that is a good thing.
it shows that controlling the virus and minimising it's spread is the right call.
i go outside every day, within my 5 k of course.

GazzaL · 21-02-2021 03:25PM

end of the road wrote: »

assuming that statement is true then that is a good thing.
it shows that controlling the virus and minimising it's spread is the right call.
i go outside every day, within my 5 k of course.

There were 148 fatalities on Irish roads last year. We could get that number down to zero instantly if we banned all motor vehicles.

beauf · 21-02-2021 03:33PM

GazzaL wrote: »

There were 148 fatalities on Irish roads last year. We could get that number down to zero instantly if we banned all motor vehicles.

Interestingly there were 25% less collisions in 2020 but road deaths were up 6%

But I guess then maybe deaths isn't an appropriate metric taken in isolation and out of context. So you're ok with that idea when it comes to cars. But not when it's Covid metrics.

franciscanpunk · 21-02-2021 03:34PM

Was out and about walking today, a lot of people in playgrounds, park benches having coffee, groups walking together, people stopping for a chat was all very good to see.

I don't think anyone is advocating getting 50k in landsdowne road next week but with no definitive plan, no timeline, no metrics on when things can be eased, no proper government communication and no hope in sight many people will start to identify what they think is an acceptable level risk and act accordingly.

bucketybuck · 21-02-2021 03:34PM

Just back from a long run, took in a few parks on the route and by god, each one of them was jam packed. Paths full, car parks overflowing, people everywhere and it was noticeable that 99% of them were not wearing a mask.

Seems like the hysteria of fear has run its course, these people are not afraid of covid any more

SnuggyBear · 21-02-2021 03:36PM

bucketybuck wrote: »

Just back from a long run, took in a few parks on the route and by god, each one of them was jam packed. Paths full, car parks overflowing, people everywhere and it was noticeable that 99% of them were not wearing a mask.

Seems like the hysteria of fear has run its course, these people are not afraid of covid any more

It obvious the only thing stopping people is the weather lately. Any kind of dry spell and people are out in force. The government have lost the people.

Ginger n Lemon · 21-02-2021 03:38PM

SnuggyBear wrote: »

It obvious the only thing stopping people is the weather lately. Any kind of dry spell and people are out in force. The government have lost the people.

Not all of them. There are still few here who support this shower of sh*te.

But thankfully 99% + dont.

GazzaL · 21-02-2021 03:45PM

beauf wrote: »

Interestingly there were 25% less collisions in 2020 but road deaths were up 6%

But I guess then maybe deaths isn't an appropriate metric taken in isolation and out of context. So you're ok with that idea when it comes to cars. But not when it's Covid metrics.

I'm not ok with the idea when it comes to cars, I'm pointing out the complete and utter nonsensical logic used by pro-lockdown nutjobs.

PTH2009 · 21-02-2021 03:46PM

Getting pissed off at all this Variants talk and shutting down just incase

beauf · 21-02-2021 03:52PM

Lockdowns not working and people not adhering to the regulations. Can't possibly be any connection there.

People are fed up with the restrictions they aren't adhering to. So they aren't going to adhere to them. How will we notice the difference?

El_Duderino 09 · 21-02-2021 03:52PM

Micky 32 wrote: »

Oh i’m not so sure about the future not looking so good. I know some will choose to ignore this but here you go:

https://twitter.com/business/status/1363460186711744512?s=21

The his post only got one single thank (except mine). It’s real news that will help bring the pandemic and the restrictions, to an end. And most of the ones who like to go on and on about Tony Hoolahoop and MeHole Martin, didn’t seem to show any interest in it.

I think they prefer to read posts giving out about lockdown, to things that will actually bring lockdown to an end.

Great news suggesting the vaccine will help curb transmissions as well as prevent people becoming sick.

El_Duderino 09 · 21-02-2021 03:53PM

PTH2009 wrote: »

Getting pissed off at all this Variants talk and shutting down just incase

Who is shutting down just in case of variants?

El_Duderino 09 · 21-02-2021 03:58PM

beauf wrote: »

Lockdowns not working and people not adhering to the regulations. Can't possibly be any connection there.

People are fed up with the restrictions they aren't adhering to. So they aren't going to adhere to them. How will we notice the difference?

It’ll probably just mean the cases drop more slowly and it takes longer to reduce restrictions. The people who break the restrictions know how it works, even if they pretend they don’t get it, they know they’re prolonging the restrictions.

beauf · 21-02-2021 04:00PM

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

It's fantastic news. The issue is despite all this fantastic news, we still have government and NPHET talking as if this summer will be more restricted than last summer.

Well the govt at least have made some real dumb decisions. But you can't win here glass half full of empty someone will moan about it.

We know it will end. We've had restrictions lifted before and we've seen it completely lifted in other countries. Some people don't understand rolling restrictions. Everything is black or white.

hynesie08 · 21-02-2021 04:08PM

PTH2009 wrote: »

Getting pissed off at all this Variants talk and shutting down just incase

Have to be open to shut down, try again.

beauf · 21-02-2021 04:31PM

hynesie08 wrote: »

Have to be open to shut down, try again.

Third time lucky hopefully...

Ginger n Lemon · 21-02-2021 04:57PM

PTH2009 wrote: »

Getting pissed off at all this Variants talk and shutting down just incase

More goal posts moving. From "cases are high" to "we need to stay in lockdown and be cautious about potential risks of new variants".

Its quite clear only protests will have an effect. You gotta be one naive individual to think that in May or June Tony H will all of a sudden say "I am not concerned about new cases now, hospitality should re open". You gotta be even more naive to think that government actually will do something against Tony's will :pac:

end of the road · 21-02-2021 05:01PM

GazzaL wrote: »

There were 148 fatalities on Irish roads last year. We could get that number down to zero instantly if we banned all motor vehicles.

yup that argument has failed every time it has been tried.
we have all sorts in place to prevent as much as is practical issues caused by cars, just like we are doing with covid.
oh dear, try again.

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

Not all of them. There are still few here who support this shower of sh*te.

But thankfully 99% + dont.

case numbers falling would suggest you are again, incorrect.
ah well, better luck next time.

GazzaL wrote: »

I'm not ok with the idea when it comes to cars, I'm pointing out the complete and utter nonsensical logic used by pro-lockdown nutjobs.

well, you failed hard given the logic behind the approach to covid isn't nonsensical and your argument failed due to the fact that there are laws/rules/all else in place to deal with as much as is practical, the issues vehicles can cause.

end of the road · 21-02-2021 05:04PM

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

More goal posts moving. From "cases are high" to "we need to stay in lockdown and be cautious about potential risks of new variants".

Its quite clear only protests will have an effect. You gotta be one naive individual to think that in May or June Tony H will all of a sudden say "I am not concerned about new cases now, hospitality should re open". You gotta be even more naive to think that government actually will do something against Tony's will :pac:

nope it's simply tempering expectations and being as realistic as they can based on the information currently.
protests won't do anything, just ask the little violent rioters in the netherlands, who i believe it was you who supported.
the government have gone against tony a few times, tony ended up being proven right.

hynesie08 · 21-02-2021 05:05PM

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

Not all of them. There are still few here who support this shower of sh*te.

But thankfully 99% + dont.

I mean, I hate to call someone a bull****ter but.....

Allinall · 21-02-2021 05:09PM

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

More goal posts moving. From "cases are high" to "we need to stay in lockdown and be cautious about potential risks of new variants".

Its quite clear only protests will have an effect. You gotta be one naive individual to think that in May or June Tony H will all of a sudden say "I am not concerned about new cases now, hospitality should re open". You gotta be even more naive to think that government actually will do something against Tony's will :pac:

I think you are being extremely naive if you think protests will make any difference.

Why would they?

Laura2021 · 21-02-2021 05:13PM

Driving through howth village today and its was crazy it was like paddys day the amount of people out good few people with no mask on waiting to get a chipper or icecream

johnire · 21-02-2021 05:15PM

I would ask the same question.... Why would they?
Also these protests that the posters talking about.... what protests ? Where are they? Is he/she organising them?
Seriously...Im intrigued.

Allinall wrote: »

I think you are being extremely naive if you think protests will make any difference.

Why would they?

NeuralNetwork · 21-02-2021 05:17PM

The other issue here is if the vaccine programme here doesn’t proceed at lightening speed over the next few months, there will be a lot of disillusionment and political issues will inevitably ensue.

The speed of that programme and FF & FG being politically relevant in the next elections are probably intrinsically linked.

Also on vaccinations, the bar is the U.K., not the EU comparison tables as that’s where we’re going to be most likely to be seeing most. The fact that we might be at the upper end of the EU league table isn’t what most people will pay attention to. It’ll be about comparison with the U.K. and the USA, because that’s the media we consume and the most likely places we have familial ties to.

Ginger n Lemon · 21-02-2021 05:18PM

johnire wrote: »

I would ask the same question.... Why would they?
Also these protests that the posters talking about.... what protests ? Where are they? Is he/she organising them?
Seriously...Im intrigued.

Why are you asking? You wanna open your curtains to look? :pac:

Ginger n Lemon · 21-02-2021 05:20PM

Allinall wrote: »

I think you are being extremely naive if you think protests will make any difference.

Why would they?

Wait - you really think entire nation will hold firm until Tony H and NPHET overlords will "allow" re opening of barbers and restaurants in June?

You are taking it to a whole new level of naive if you are.

hynesie08 · 21-02-2021 05:22PM

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

Wait - you really think entire nation will hold firm until Tony H and NPHET overlords will "allow" re opening of barbers and restaurants in June?

You are taking it to a whole new level of naive if you are.

Yes. They'll moan on Facebook and boards, but ultimately will do nothing.

Allinall · 21-02-2021 05:22PM

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

Wait - you really think entire nation will hold firm until Tony H and NPHET overlords will "allow" re opening of barbers and restaurants in June?

You are taking it to a whole new level of naive if you are.

Where did I say anything like that?

I asked how you think protests will make any difference.

Are you able to answer?

NeuralNetwork · 21-02-2021 05:26PM

I don’t think you’d get mass protests in Ireland tbh. It’s not France and the government is relatively much more accessible ans responsive than an executive presidency or high majority parliamentary systems like the U.K.

I would suspect if you saw a pushback here it would be just like what happened at Christmas. Demands would be made, lobbies would push, back benchers and even front benchers would put pressure on and things would open. It’s an extremely responsive system and has very little executive power in reality, despite imaginations on various right wing forums.

What’s keeping things on track at the moment is just consensus of public buy in after the Christmas disaster.

I wouldn’t underestimate the level of it though based on what you’re seeing on a few Internet forums. The public has been a *lot* more conservative than some of the commentators and often even the government.

I mean one of the parties is probably closer to being “The Publican Party” than the Republic Party, yet they’re somehow managing stay off the pints, which is really remarkable.

Outliers don’t necessarily describe public opinion.

On paper we’ve had a lot of restrictions. In reality they’re mostly very, very loosely enforced compared to what I’ve seen reported elsewhere in Europe, in the U.K. or even in the US.

When will it all end?

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