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Covid 19 Part XXXII-215,743 ROI (4,137 deaths)111,166 NI (2,036 deaths)(22/02)Read OP

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  • #8762
    Gruffalux
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,023 ✭✭✭Gruffalux


    Sofa King Great wrote: »
    There are hundreds of thousands out of work, people haven't seen loved ones for months on end, the economy is in ruins and there is a pandemic sweeping the globe. I feel like "bored" is a bit condescending

    But sure its grand, if it was a few hundred years ago the mongols would be slaughtering us and its sunny out

    You dont have to go back to the Mongols. Syria, Yemen, Iraq will do. Famine and slaughter. I dont know what the point is in exaggerating the present situation continuously as if it is some unbearable mass horror. That does not help anyone. People have suffered way worse. And suffer way worse every day. Encouraging fragility is no use. Better to foster resilience. The jobs and economy will come back. We have been there before. It was much more prolonged economic suffering in the 80s in Ireland for example. The pandemic is. It just is. One cannot change what is. We have to endure.


  • #8763
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    is_that_so wrote: »
    In retrospect, despite the grim times, they probably had an easier job of it as it was all about the restrictions and the emergence from those restrictions went smoothly enough. That said we only really heard from two people all the way through, Leo & Harris, now it's any TD.

    Not just any TD, there's a myriad of other 'experts' given the opportunity to throw in their twopence worth.


  • #8764
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Gruffalux wrote: »
    You dont have to go back to the Mongols. Syria, Yemen, Iraq will do. Famine and slaughter. I dont know what the point is in exaggerating the present situation continuously as if it is some unbearable mass horror. That does not help anyone. People have suffered way worse. And suffer way worse every day. Encouraging fragility is no use. Better to foster resilience. The jobs and economy will come back. We have been there before. It was much more prolonged economic suffering in the 80s in Ireland for example. The pandemic is. It just is. One cannot change what is. We have to endure.

    Telling others how they should feel based on how bad things may have been in the past is beyond condescending tbh.


  • #8765
    Locotastic
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 754 ✭✭✭Locotastic


    is_that_so wrote: »
    In retrospect, despite the grim times, they probably had an easier job of it as it was all about the restrictions and the emergence from those restrictions went smoothly enough. That said we only really heard from two people all the way through, Leo & Harris, now it's any TD.

    I think the media have a huge responsibility here too, some seem to be happy to publish any old opinion piece guessing at whats going to happen and when.

    That, on top of leaks from government and NPHET means nobody has a clear picture of what's going on.


  • #8766
    Happydays2020
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,677 ✭✭✭Happydays2020


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    Not just any TD, there's a myriad of other 'experts' given the opportunity to throw in their twopence worth.

    Especially that Tomas Ryan chap.


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  • #8767
    jackboy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,072 ✭✭✭jackboy


    Locotastic wrote: »
    I think the media have a huge responsibility here too, some seem to be happy to publish any old opinion piece guessing at whats going to happen and when.

    That, on top of leaks from government and NPHET means nobody has a clear picture of what's going on.

    Why wouldn’t the media speculate when the government have no plan.


  • #8768
    iamwhoiam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,264 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    Gruffalux wrote: »
    You dont have to go back to the Mongols. Syria, Yemen, Iraq will do. Famine and slaughter. I dont know what the point is in exaggerating the present situation continuously as if it is some unbearable mass horror. That does not help anyone. People have suffered way worse. And suffer way worse every day. Encouraging fragility is no use. Better to foster resilience. The jobs and economy will come back. We have been there before. It was much more prolonged economic suffering in the 80s in Ireland for example. The pandemic is. It just is. One cannot change what is. We have to endure.

    This has nothing to do with the here and now .Its is not helpful if someone has worries to dismiss them by saying someone elses worry is much bigger
    I learned very quickly as a young student nurse never to dismiss anyones pain or worry because the patients next doors pain was greater .


  • #8769
    StevenToast
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,109 ✭✭✭StevenToast


    We need to flatten the curve....

    "Don't piss down my back and tell me it's raining." - Fletcher



  • #8770
    Sofa King Great
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 872 ✭✭✭Sofa King Great


    Gruffalux wrote: »
    You dont have to go back to the Mongols. Syria, Yemen, Iraq will do. Famine and slaughter. I dont know what the point is in exaggerating the present situation continuously as if it is some unbearable mass horror. That does not help anyone. People have suffered way worse. And suffer way worse every day. Encouraging fragility is no use. Better to foster resilience. The jobs and economy will come back. We have been there before. It was much more prolonged economic suffering in the 80s in Ireland for example. The pandemic is. It just is. One cannot change what is. We have to endure.

    OK fine, all things are grand here because sure there was a drone strike in Syria

    I dont think you can discount how people are feeling just because it is worse for others somewhere else either now or over the course of history.

    You say we cannot change what is, we have to endure. That is defeatist, we can change how the government communicate the plan, we can change the resources put in to controlling spread by investing in more robust track and trace, tightening air travel and enforcing restrictions.


  • #8771
    Locotastic
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 754 ✭✭✭Locotastic


    StevenToast wrote: »
    We need to flatten the curve....

    The next 2 weeks are crucial.....


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  • #8772
    TonyMaloney
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,150 ✭✭✭TonyMaloney


    Happydays2020 wrote: »
    Are you a business owner? Are you self employed? Is your business closed?

    There are 1000’s of businesses closed now and those people still have bills to pay. Hundreds of thousands of people are out of work.

    I'm well aware of that. The point is that just because someone is employed by the state, it does not follow that they are devoid of empathy for those that are out of work.

    It's similar to the narrative that those of us that are working from home do not give a **** about restrictions. We all have family and friends affected by this.

    It is more a failing of your own empathy that you think like this.


  • #8773
    Cluedo Monopoly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,672 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    I hear they are ramping up the vaccine rollout program...again.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • #8774
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Sofa King Great wrote: »
    OK fine, all things are grand here because sure there was a drone strike in Syria

    I dont think you can discount how people are feeling just because it is worse for others somewhere else either now or over the course of history.

    You say we cannot change what is, we have to endure. That is defeatist, we can change how the government communicate the plan, we can change the resources put in to controlling spread by investing in more robust track and trace, tightening air travel and enforcing restrictions.
    Enforcing restrictions will become increasingly difficult and a point will be reached when they are no longer working effectively. Anecdotally that seems to be happening already.


  • #8775
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Cluedo Monopoly wrote: »
    I hear they are ramping up the vaccine rollout program...again.
    100K+ next week up from this week's 80K.


  • #8776
    Sofa King Great
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 872 ✭✭✭Sofa King Great


    is_that_so wrote: »
    Enforcing restrictions will become increasingly difficult and a point will be reached when they are no longer working effectively. Anecdotally that seems to be happening already.

    I agree - I feel like the lack of enforcement of the serious breaches seriously undermines ability to enforce other restrictions


  • #8777
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 45,738 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Cluedo Monopoly wrote: »
    I hear they are ramping up the vaccine rollout program...again.

    Yep 100,000 next week. Great to see.


  • #8778
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 45,738 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    is_that_so wrote: »
    Enforcing restrictions will become increasingly difficult and a point will be reached when they are no longer working effectively. Anecdotally that seems to be happening already.

    The government are aware of this. That's why they’ll keep the restrictions longer. Keep places closed so mixing of people is kept to a minimum.

    Then start opening up when the vulnerable are vaccinated. Seems fair enough.


  • #8779
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    6 wrote: »
    The government are aware of this. That's why they’ll keep the restrictions longer. Keep places closed so mixing of people is kept to a minimum.

    Then start opening up when the vulnerable are vaccinated. Seems fair enough.
    The messaging on that at present is very shabby and more likely to encourage people not to follow them. I've heard anecdotal stuff about some urban areas where mask wearing in shops has all but disappeared.


  • #8780
    Locotastic
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 754 ✭✭✭Locotastic


    6 wrote: »
    The government are aware of this. That's why they’ll keep the restrictions longer. Keep places closed so mixing of people is kept to a minimum.

    Then start opening up when the vulnerable are vaccinated. Seems fair enough.

    It isn't fair to penalise the entire country because a minority of people can't be trusted to be responsible.

    But that's been the problem all along.

    They can't expect people to wait until legacy issues like waiting lists are resolved. I can't get a Smear test done at my regular gp, so there's one example of a huge backlog that probably won't be cleared this year.


  • #8781
    Turtwig
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    Gruffalux wrote: »
    You dont have to go back to the Mongols. Syria, Yemen, Iraq will do. Famine and slaughter. I dont know what the point is in exaggerating the present situation continuously as if it is some unbearable mass horror. That does not help anyone. People have suffered way worse. And suffer way worse every day. Encouraging fragility is no use. Better to foster resilience. The jobs and economy will come back. We have been there before. It was much more prolonged economic suffering in the 80s in Ireland for example. The pandemic is. It just is. One cannot change what is. We have to endure.

    Suffering is always and will always be subjective. You can never compare a person's level of suffering. How they perceive it and how you think they perceive it are two very different things. Every experiences stress differently, has had different life experiences prior to that stress, they also have different measures of support and coping. It's a very dangerous thing to ever suggest someone's suffering is worse than another.

    You are not wrong in people shouldn't ruminate into their own circle of misery. That's very dangerous. They should indeed focus on fostering resilience, but I feel you're going too far in suggesting historic suffering was worse or something. Suffering is suffering. Hardship is hardship. Whether someone is a billionaire or penniless they can suffer.


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  • #8782
    Away With The Fairies
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭Away With The Fairies


    So goalposts have been moved now and it's hospital waiting lists has to be reduced now.

    How are hospital lists our responsibility? Is the government going to help us out with anything at all or just put all the work on us?

    All our work over the past few weeks will be undone because people are fed up with this and they know it. Yet, the government won't do anything to keep it out. We want our life back as much as possible. It's about time they do something themselves and stop inviting infection in.


  • #8783
    Jim_Hodge
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,295 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    Away With The Fairies wrote: »
    So goalposts have been moved now and it's hospital waiting lists has to be reduced now.

    How are hospital lists our responsibility? Is the government going to help us out with anything at all or just put all the work on us?

    All our work over the past few weeks will be undone because people are fed up with this and they know it. Yet, the government won't do anything to keep it out. We want our life back as much as possible. It's about time they do something themselves and stop inviting infection in.

    Don't go jumping in based on an assumption and speculation by a journalist.


  • #8784
    Turtwig
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    My guess is the latest CMO letter - likely acting CMO letter - mentions the waiting lists in a very different context. A journalist has got a leak of it, or even access to read it, and like all things this pandemic they've not reflected the full context or meaning behind it just went for the snazzy headline to emote a response from as many readers and followers as possible.

    Could be wrong.


  • #8785
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 45,738 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Locotastic wrote: »
    It isn't fair to penalise the entire country because a minority of people can't be trusted to be responsible.

    .

    You think the virus will only target the people who that can't be trusted. That's would be ideal, but doesn't work like that as we know.


  • #8786
    iamwhoiam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,264 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    Turtwig wrote: »
    My guess is the latest CMO letter - likely acting CMO letter - mentions the waiting lists in a very different context. A journalist has got a leak of it, or even access to read it, and like all things this pandemic they've not reflected the full context or meaning behind it just went for the snazzy headline to emote a response from as many readers and followers as possible.

    Could be wrong.

    What he is quoted as saying is " services recommenced " People are running with it and thinking that means " cleared " .They could be recommenced very quickly , obviously not cleared


  • #8787
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 45,738 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    is_that_so wrote: »
    The messaging on that at present is very shabby and more likely to encourage people not to follow them. I've heard anecdotal stuff about some urban areas where mask wearing in shops has all but disappeared.

    anecdotal usually means not true when it comes to this thread


    BTW, I heard and witnessed everyone wearing a mask in shops I frequent.


  • #8788
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    6 wrote: »
    anecdotal usually means not true when it comes to this thread


    BTW, I heard and witnessed everyone wearing a mask in shops I frequent.
    It can mean either. The point is this level of compliance will not last a whole lot longer.


  • #8789
    jackboy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,072 ✭✭✭jackboy


    is_that_so wrote: »
    It can mean either. The point is this compliance will not last a whole lot longer.

    A fine spell of weather, which can happen as early as March, will put a big strain on the nonsense restrictions such as the 5k rule. If they have any sense they will reduce such restrictions now because when people start breaking restrictions they will break the important ones also.


  • #8790
    Locotastic
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 754 ✭✭✭Locotastic


    6 wrote: »
    You think the virus will only target the people who that can't be trusted. That's would be ideal, but doesn't work like that as we know.

    If people are behaving irresponsibly then yes they are 'more likely' to catch and spread the virus.


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  • #8791
    hotmail.com
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,435 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    People are wearing masks in shops. Mask usage has been a distraction.


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