When will it all end?

The good news for me is within the last few days on here and within the people i meet outside they are seriously getting browned off with this. I can feel a bit of tension in the air and the longer it goes on the worse it will get til...POP! Trust me the government dont want that.

johnire wrote: »

And if you develop Covid as a result of this do you expect the State to have to pay for your treatment?

Well I pay a small fortune each year to VHI so I trust that should cover me if it really does go pear shaped ( granted I might not be able to renew next year due to being on a whopping pay cut and wife on PUP due to these restrictions).

So what if you pay for private health insurance?

opinionated3 wrote: »

Well I pay a small fortune each year to VHI so I trust that should cover me if it really does go pear shaped ( granted I might not be able to renew next year due to being on a whopping pay cut and wife on PUP due to these restrictions).

ujjjjjjjjj wrote: »

Public health crossed the line last March when we imposed restrictions rather than providing advice which people can choose to heed or not. That is not the type of society I want to live in. It is a nightmare.

I also firmly believe the damage from the lockdown agenda far outweighs any benefit and ultimately with public health advice being provided if people choose to ignore it and get sick (elderly person who says sod it I am going to the pub etc....) that is their choice and I entirely respect it.

Don't understand the point you are making re children. If someone in society doesn't want to.mix for fear of catching this virus that is their choice. If my kids go to school and my parents want to isolate then fine, they isolate, get someone to do their shopping, etc etc and we don't visit. Their choice I respect it.

We can agree to disagree that is fine but in wider society right now the needs of a few are being imposed and manipulated onto the majority and most people don't even see it.

What I am saying is that your children may not be a high risk of dieing from the virus but they are a risk of spreading it to others who are at risk of dieing.

This is about public health though. The scientists have determined the best way to stop the virus spreading is to impose restrictions. Its not ideal, its not good for businesses, its not good for mental health.

Fair enough if you give everyone chouce and lift all restrictions but the reality is that thousands will die because of that and the Hospital system simply wont be able to cope.

From a societal/public health viewpoint restrictions are needed in order to halt covid spreading and the consequences of that.

Strumms wrote: »

It’s demanded off consenting adults that they don’t drive at excess speeds on the motorway and that speed should by law be limited..

Motorways 120km/h
National roads 100km/h
Regional roads 80km/h
Urban areas 50km/h
Special limits (schools etc) 30km/h

If consenting adults are aware of the risks, to themselves and others, should they be permitted to break speed limits ?, Endangering the health, lives and wellbeing of themselves, passengers, fellow motorists and potentially emergency services ?

Speed limits are a balance to reduce risk on our roads to an acceptable level. If we wanted to reduce deaths on our roads entirely enforce a strict 10kmh speed limit and no one dies but we have balanced risk v getting on with life and accept some deaths each year.

We wear seat belts for the same reason, three point racing harnesses and roll cages would be safer again but it is a balance of risk mitigation v getting on with life.

The important thing here is that being forced to observe speed limits, wear a safety belt etc does not have any significant impact on our ability to drive or enjoy life or get from a to b, it is a reasonable compromise.

We fly even though people die every year....etc etc.

You may not like it but I think the risk from Covid to most people is now way below the threshold of the negatives lockdown etc is causing. I think lockdown is an unreasonable compromise.

Anyone who chooses to isolate or protect themselves with comprehensive health advice being given should be free to do so and I entirely respect their decision. Freely acknowledge that some very elderly or frail people are at a higher risk and if they decide to restrict their movements, not see their grandkids, stay at home, that ultimately is their choice and I entirely support and respect it.

I do not however think it is unreasonable to expect millions of kids, teenagers and adults to live under these draconian restrictions when the real risk to their health is so low. It is utter insanity in my opinion and has been so damaging.

You are free to disagree but that is my opinion and has been since last March when the schools shut.

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

So the state is advising you based on scientific advice not to to mix with others but your opinion is its perfectly safe because you made up the science in your head.

After a year of losing my civil liberties the state is welcome to go **** itself.

So are you saying that it doesn't bother you if you or your family get Covid?

ujjjjjjjjj wrote: »

Speed limits are a balance to reduce risk on our roads to an acceptable level. If we wanted to reduce deaths on our roads entirely enforce a strict 10kmh speed limit and no one dies but we have balanced risk v getting on with life and accept some deaths each year.

We wear seat belts for the same reason, three point racing harnesses and roll cages would be safer again but it is a balance of risk mitigation v getting on with life.

The important thing here is that being forced to observe speed limits, wear a safety belt etc does not have any significant impact on our ability to drive or enjoy life or get from a to b, it is a reasonable compromise.

We fly even though people die every year....etc etc.

You may not like it but I think the risk from Covid to most people is now way below the threshold of the negatives lockdown etc is causing. I think lockdown is an unreasonable compromise.

Anyone who chooses to isolate or protect themselves with comprehensive health advice being given should be free to do so and I entirely respect their decision. Freely acknowledge that some very elderly or frail people are at a higher risk and if they decide to restrict their movements, not see their grandkids, stay at home, that ultimately is their choice and I entirely support and respect it.

I do not however think it is unreasonable to expect millions of kids, teenagers and adults to live under these draconian restrictions when the real risk to their health is so low. It is utter insanity in my opinion and has been so damaging.

You are free to disagree but that is my opinion and has been since last March when the schools shut.

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

So the state is advising you based on scientific advice not to to mix with others but your opinion is its perfectly safe because you made up the science in your head.

Or I have taken the advice , measured the risk and chosen to ignore it.

Just like alcohol, fatty foods etc etc.....or a zillion othe things we all do everyday which is not good for us.....

The point is the state is not advising me of anything, it is imposing strict draconian legal restrictions. I would no issue if all it was doing was providing health advice, like eat more fruit and veg, exercise more, get a flu vaccine, don't have unprotected sex etc etc.

johnire wrote: »

So are you saying that it doesn't bother you if you or your family get Covid?

Would prefer not to get it, just like I would prefer not to get the flu or a a cold.

But if the price for not getting covid is these restrictions them no, I am happy to get it and take my chances and also happy for anyone in my family too if they choose to get on with life. But let me be clear if someone in my family wants to isolate and protect themselves that is their choice. My parents for example are currently doing this. I respect their decision.

Several members of my extended family have already had it and all fine, mild flu symptoms at worst.

Have never once been scared by Covid as I have looked at the data and the risk is low.

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

And what difference would a general election and a new Dail make? None

So you’re saying that if you are **** at your job, you still get to keep it

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

Its not about you

Aren't we all in this together?

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

You are suggesting it is nothing more than a common cold and low risk based on anecdotal evidence though. Thats not data.

No didn't say that.

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

Its not about you

Oh I'm well aware that the state doesn't give a single **** about me or my problems. They have made that very clear.

How so?

bucketybuck wrote: »

Oh I'm well aware that the state doesn't give a single **** about me or my problems. They have made that very clear.

ujjjjjjjjj wrote: »

Speed limits are a balance to reduce risk on our roads to an acceptable level. If we wanted to reduce deaths on our roads entirely enforce a strict 10kmh speed limit and no one dies but we have balanced risk v getting on with life and accept some deaths each year.

We wear seat belts for the same reason, three point racing harnesses and roll cages would be safer again but it is a balance of risk mitigation v getting on with life.

The important thing here is that being forced to observe speed limits, wear a safety belt etc does not have any significant impact on our ability to drive or enjoy life or get from a to b, it is a reasonable compromise.

We fly even though people die every year....etc etc.

You may not like it but I think the risk from Covid to most people is now way below the threshold of the negatives lockdown etc is causing. I think lockdown is an unreasonable compromise.

Anyone who chooses to isolate or protect themselves with comprehensive health advice being given should be free to do so and I entirely respect their decision. Freely acknowledge that some very elderly or frail people are at a higher risk and if they decide to restrict their movements, not see their grandkids, stay at home, that ultimately is their choice and I entirely support and respect it.

I do not however think it is unreasonable to expect millions of kids, teenagers and adults to live under these draconian restrictions when the real risk to their health is so low. It is utter insanity in my opinion and has been so damaging.

You are free to disagree but that is my opinion and has been since last March when the schools shut.

They are not a balance. They are regulations that when adhered to, keep accidents, injuries and deaths on our roads to a minimum.

Covid laws keep and are keeping people well, healthy and alive.. people can lift the phone, use technology to socialize, converse, see people, get connected, get groceries....

There is a multitude of help and assistance available too.