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When will it all end?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,634 ✭✭✭✭Graces7


    JimCore wrote: »
    The numbers dont lie sherlock. A virus needs people interacting.

    Oh I know actually youre right. Santa brought it down the chimney!!

    Keep wearing the mask will ya!

    Look up Belmullet Christmas .. cause and effect.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 940 ✭✭✭ujjjjjjjjj


    I dont believe anyone has said lockdowns are desirable or that lockdowns are ideal.
    The idea that kids are not at risk makes sense too when taken at face value but the idea that they do not put others at risk when there is widespread community mixing doesnt really hold up.
    Your view on this seems to be taking an individualist approach and not taking a public health one because that is an imposition. I think many of us who disagree with you accept impositions because we see as a public health approach and very much more than about individual choices.

    Public health crossed the line last March when we imposed restrictions rather than providing advice which people can choose to heed or not. That is not the type of society I want to live in. It is a nightmare.

    I also firmly believe the damage from the lockdown agenda far outweighs any benefit and ultimately with public health advice being provided if people choose to ignore it and get sick (elderly person who says sod it I am going to the pub etc....) that is their choice and I entirely respect it.

    Don't understand the point you are making re children. If someone in society doesn't want to.mix for fear of catching this virus that is their choice. If my kids go to school and my parents want to isolate then fine, they isolate, get someone to do their shopping, etc etc and we don't visit. Their choice I respect it.

    We can agree to disagree that is fine but in wider society right now the needs of a few are being imposed and manipulated onto the majority and most people don't even see it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,839 ✭✭✭mcsean2163


    I agree. Certainly drop the CovidAir airline business. It is shame because we are now stuck on a path that will be hard to get out of.

    Just to add, I saw her viral interview and she said a LOT of things without producing evidence and focussed a lot of tabloid headlines.

    I sometimes assume my audience knows what I'm talking about when they don't and it may be that she fell into that trap. Her academic career is impressive but she has definitely been pigeon holed into the nutter brigade.

    The same has not happened to the 120,00 dead brigade. I believe mortality is currently estimated at 0.3%? If that is correct, the figure would be 15,000 dead, just over 10% of the original estimate.

    Sadly, Trump and the politicisation of covid19 has caused many problems. Scientists are human too.

    Hopefully there'll be a better balance in future.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,076 ✭✭✭JMNolan


    Anyone heading out tonight? My son is home from the house party last night and me and a few buddies are planning a few nights for the 6 nations


  • Posts: 5,422 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    It will end on the first of never at this rate. We're still a week from March, and the likes of hospitality knocked on head until June at earliest. The cynic in me detects many a kite flown to distract from lacklustre provision for additional ICU beds & glacial rollout of vaccines. As for the latest variant imported from Brazil this week, just goes to show what dundering apes we have running the country.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,472 ✭✭✭Mimon


    Do you seriously think people aren't having house parties and drinks? Because it's happening across Dublin and likely the country.

    Yep. Selfish aholes in being selfish aholes shocker.

    Luckily most people aren't mé féiners even though seems to be a lot of them as they like to attention seek on the internet.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 44 Dred.


    There's a hell of a lot of regular 'joe soaps' out there who've had enough

    I'm observing it daily now, people meeting up and congregating and talking

    These wouldn't be the party types either


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,536 ✭✭✭Silentcorner


    Dred. wrote: »
    There's a hell of a lot of regular 'joe soaps' out there who've had enough

    I'm observing it daily now, people meeting up and congregating and talking

    These wouldn't be the party types either

    Ya, the sneaky announcement on Thursday night broke a lot of people.

    In my circles, there is increased organised gatherings and a huge sense that we have been put through enough...that announcement pushed people too far.

    Just because the state has abandoned science and logic doesn't mean we all have to!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,190 ✭✭✭opinionated3


    Mimon wrote: »
    Yep. Selfish aholes in being selfish aholes shocker.

    Luckily most people aren't mé féiners even though seems to be a lot of them as they like to attention seek on the internet.

    Would normally agree with you re: the aholes but unfortunately I think this will only grow after what Martin said today. In my own head I've more or less given up. If I'm invited to my friends house for a few beers or even a BBQ when the longer evening's arrive, I think I'll accept.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 911 ✭✭✭FlubberJones


    I agree with some of the consensus here, people are getting ****ed off with this and that will only lead to more and more get togethers and house parties etc... And since I've done what was needed even when I travelled last year.... good luck to them, enjoy yourselves and the more the merrier.

    This country is being led by fools that aren't able to get things together and deliver a consistent message.... so why should we listen anymore, its been over 12 months.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,546 ✭✭✭johnire


    And if you develop Covid as a result of this do you expect the State to have to pay for your treatment?
    Would normally agree with you re: the aholes but unfortunately I think this will only grow after what Martin said today. In my own head I've more or less given up. If I'm invited to my friends house for a few beers or even a BBQ when the longer evening's arrive, I think I'll accept.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,472 ✭✭✭Mimon


    Would normally agree with you re: the aholes but unfortunately I think this will only grow after what Martin said today. In my own head I've more or less given up. If I'm invited to my friends house for a few beers or even a BBQ when the longer evening's arrive, I think I'll accept.

    Totally understandable. My patience is almost gone also. Though I will hold off until the numbers are lower though and won't be coming on here trying to wind up people/troll when I do.

    The government handled it terribly. There should be reassessing every two weeks and people would have bought into that better.. Could have thrown people a bone at each reassessment with an incremental relaxing of restrictions.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,129 ✭✭✭Lundstram


    Really is about time the trolls were taken out of this thread. and forum.

    https://www.boards.ie/search/submit/?user=849777&sort=newest&date_to=&date_from=&query=%2A%3A%2A&forum=1865

    We're sorry this thread and forum isn't an echo chamber for the lovers of lockdown.

    Cases are levelling off now, a brick wall has been hit. People aren't going to put their lives on pause anymore.

    Protect the vulnerable and let the rest of us live our lives.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 489 ✭✭buzzing147


    Hi, yea I was just wondering, a butcher shop beside me closed yesterday because 2 staff tested positive, shop in darkness now, how long would expect it to be closed for? Only butchers in town 😒


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 940 ✭✭✭ujjjjjjjjj


    johnire wrote: »
    And if you develop Covid as a result of this do you expect the State to have to pay for your treatment?

    Oh please, thousands of people every year get treatment from the HSE due to smoking, alcohol abuse, being overweight and accidents from sports etc etc etc. Lets just stop everything and only treat non smoking, teetotallers with a healthy BMI who stay at home and only exercise in a safe way.....oh let's ban all socialising too as it passes on the flu, colds, novo virus, bacterial infections, AIDS, the clap......


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,546 ✭✭✭johnire


    No - people are being specifically asked not to socialise and in this instance this person is deliberately breaking that request. This is a virus in case you didn't know.... this person can in turn pass it on to someone else who wasn't at this precious barbecue.

    ujjjjjjjjj wrote: »
    Oh please, thousands of people every year get treatment from the HSE due to smoking, alcohol abuse, being overweight and accidents from sports etc etc etc. Lets just stop everything and only treat non smoking, teetotallers with a healthy BMI who stay at home and only exercise in a safe way.....oh let's ban all socialising too as it passes on the flu, colds, novo virus, bacterial infections, AIDS, the clap......


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,374 ✭✭✭aido79


    Not defending her but in fairness did she not say that that there was lasting immunity from contracting the virus?

    She said that anyone who has has contracted covid will have life long immunity. I wonder if she has done her own research or how she has proven this.
    There have been studies to show that people who have had covid have antibodies in their system 6 months later but I'm not aware of any that have shown that a person will have life long immunity.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 940 ✭✭✭ujjjjjjjjj


      johnire wrote: »
      No - people are being specifically asked not to socialise and in this instance this person is deliberately breaking that request.

      I think the entire point of this discussion is whether people think it is acceptable to be asked that question. If you have consenting adults aware of the risks then some feel it is their choice.


    1. Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,546 ✭✭✭johnire


      But that's the issue- a selfish attitude like that can affect someone else. That person can decide they've had enough and go to their friends for a few drinks or a BBQ. They get a Covid as a result of this gathering but before they realise this they've been out and about in a supermarket or wherever and have ended up infecting some poor person who has been following the rules and they in turn pose a threat to their family. What part of that is so difficult to understand ?

      ujjjjjjjjj wrote: »

        I think the entire point of this discussion is whether people think it is acceptable to be asked that question. If you have consenting adults aware of the risks then some feel it is their choice.


      1. Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,714 ✭✭✭✭josip


        johnire wrote: »
        But that's the issue- a selfish attitude like that can affect someone else. That person can decide they've had enough and go to their friends for a few drinks or a BBQ. They get a Covid as a result of this gathering but before they realise this they've been out and about in a supermarket or wherever and have ended up infecting some poor person who has been following the rules and they in turn pose a threat to their family. What part of that is so difficult to understand ?


        How they infected the poor person in the supermarket.


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      3. Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,546 ✭✭✭johnire


        By passing on the virus.
        josip wrote: »
        How they infected the poor person in the supermarket.


      4. Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,714 ✭✭✭✭josip


        johnire wrote: »
        By passing on the virus.


        Yes how?
        Did they lick them or sneeze in their faces in the frozen foods section?


      5. Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,536 ✭✭✭Silentcorner


        johnire wrote: »
        By passing on the virus.

        Jesus, the people working in Supermarkets must be dropping like flies are they?


      6. Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,714 ✭✭✭✭josip


        Jesus, the people working in Supermarkets must be dropping like flies are they?


        Worse than meat factories apparently.


      7. Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,546 ✭✭✭johnire


        No... you are deliberately missing the point. The virus spreads through social interaction. You know exactly the point I'm making.

        Jesus, the people working in Supermarkets must be dropping like flies are they?


      8. Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,714 ✭✭✭✭josip


        johnire wrote: »
        No... you are deliberately missing the point. The virus spreads through social interaction. You know exactly the point I'm making.


        No John, we don't think you know the point you're making.
        You might think you do, but you haven't thought it through very far.


      9. Closed Accounts Posts: 2,129 ✭✭✭Lundstram


        johnire wrote: »
        No... you are deliberately missing the point. The virus spreads through social interaction. You know exactly the point I'm making.

        You seem to be suggesting:

        If know the person (friend) - infected easily.

        Stranger (supermarket worker) - not infected easily.

        I'm embarrassed for you.


      10. Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,546 ✭✭✭johnire


        Enlighten me then.
        josip wrote: »
        No John, we don't think you know the point you're making.
        You might think you do, but you haven't thought it through very far.


      11. Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,546 ✭✭✭johnire


        This makes no sense... Please explain.
        Lundstram wrote: »
        You seem to be suggesting:

        If know the person (friend) - infected easily.

        Stranger (supermarket worker) - not infected easily.

        I'm embarrassed for you.


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      13. Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,373 ✭✭✭Mr. Karate


        It will end on the first of never at this rate. We're still a week from March, and the likes of hospitality knocked on head until June at earliest. The cynic in me detects many a kite flown to distract from lacklustre provision for additional ICU beds & glacial rollout of vaccines. As for the latest variant imported from Brazil this week, just goes to show what dundering apes we have running the country.

        Any extensions after the 31st of May need to come with the resignations of Martin, Varadkar, Holohan and the rest of the cowards in the Dail. Along witha
        date for a General Election. This is a complete and total failure on their parts and they shouldn't be allowed to stay in power if they're only plan is to stay in lockdown until we're either homeless, starve to death or commit suicide.


      This discussion has been closed.
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