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Covid 19 Part XXXII-215,743 ROI (4,137 deaths)111,166 NI (2,036 deaths)(22/02)Read OP

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  • #8432
    DeanAustin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,885 ✭✭✭DeanAustin


    jackboy wrote: »
    It hasn’t been successful. It has been a failure. Economy destroyed, thousands dead, so many other lives destroyed. This is not success.

    Is there any such thing as success when dealing with this disease in Western Europe though?


  • #8433
    igCorcaigh
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 12,590 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    Happydays2020 wrote: »
    If people had followed the restrictions announced on 22 December then a lot of the damage could have been minimised. There were still big parties around New Years.

    That may be so, but policy should not be driven by things that cannot be controlled.

    The opening of hospitality in the run up to Christmas gave people the green light to socialise, resulting in widespread transmission at the very time that people went home to meet elderly relatives on December 25.


  • #8434
    WoollyRedHat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,462 ✭✭✭✭WoollyRedHat


    If data emerges that vaccines such as Janssen and AZ etc. reduce transmission then I hope the EMA will update guidance accordingly and we prioritize getting key groups vaccinated as quickly as possible.


  • #8435
    mloc123
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,445 ✭✭✭mloc123


    Cluedo Monopoly wrote: »
    I would like to see the data on that. There were 3 recovered from the water in Galway last week and 1 missing.

    Anecdotaly I have seen a pretty big increase in people going missing being reported on local area Facebook etc..


  • #8436
    Oranage2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,129 ✭✭✭✭Oranage2


    jackboy wrote: »
    It hasn’t been successful. It has been a failure. Economy destroyed, thousands dead, so many other lives destroyed. This is not success.

    Have to agree with this. People have said stop border crossing but others cried saying it was impossible, a year later there are fines for this.

    People said close the schools, they've closed and there was no plan how to send them back or online even though they've had a year to plan for this.

    People said have a quarantine for passangers, the ney sayers cried saying it was impossible and now they're doing it.

    It has been a massive failure, everything done a year too late


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  • #8437
    brookers
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 408 ✭✭brookers


    NeuralNetwork wrote: »
    I certainly won’t be voting for either of them ever again after this. The fact they did a better job than Donald Trump or Boris Johnson is hardly a high bar.

    The post Christmas period has just been an unmitigated disaster and if we end up with the Brazilian variant becoming established because of lack of testing at airports I think there needs to be resignations.

    Communication is poor, confusing and spin-laden and I’m still seeing a lack of clarity on the vaccine programme.

    I’m finding myself planning emigration tbh - not everywhere is in the mess that here, the U.K. or the US is in.

    You would have to laugh when you hear about a NI poll....Irish people in their thousands have been vaccinated in the UK.


  • #8438
    Nermal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,850 ✭✭✭Nermal


    zuutroy wrote: »
    People are understandably angry but we are where we are now, and hands are essentially tied until there are a couple of million vaccines in arms unfortunately.

    The only thing tying our hands is a mental model that won't accept more deaths as an acceptable price for more freedom and less economic damage.


  • #8439
    harr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,507 ✭✭✭harr


    We just can’t function with level 5 till mid summer, non essential retail will need to be opened for one . People will need clothing the likes . Gyms maybe and certainly outdoor dining.
    Expecting people to live in level 5 for 7 months is going to be a big ask . People need a little bit of light at the end of the tunnel, up to the government now to get the finger out and come up a plan to gradually open up the country and stop all these leaks and blanket statements.
    Only a few weeks Leo was spouting about not having a normal Christmas this year .
    Leo and MM trying to outdo one another with the scare tactics


  • #8440
    igCorcaigh
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 12,590 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    Nermal wrote: »
    The only thing tying our hands is a mental model that won't accept more deaths as an acceptable price for more freedom and less economic damage.

    I'd be in favour of that mental model to be honest.


  • #8441
    Benimar
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,793 ✭✭✭Benimar


    843 swabs on 15,122 tests 5.57% positivity


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  • #8442
    TonyMaloney
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,150 ✭✭✭TonyMaloney


    Bad again

    https://twitter.com/COVID19DataIE/status/1363150170708443141?s=19


  • #8443
    Bubbaclaus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,460 ✭✭✭Bubbaclaus


    TonyMaloney wrote: »
    Bad again

    https://twitter.com/COVID19DataIE/status/1363150170708443141?s=19

    16% reduction compared to same day last week, the trend is going in the right direction all the time.


  • #8444
    MerlinSouthDub
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,628 ✭✭✭MerlinSouthDub


    TonyMaloney wrote: »
    Bad again

    https://twitter.com/COVID19DataIE/status/1363150170708443141?s=19

    Nearly 20% fewer swabs than last Saturday, that's not bad!


  • #8445
    Turtwig
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    TonyMaloney wrote: »
    Bad again

    https://twitter.com/COVID19DataIE/status/1363150170708443141?s=19

    Ah I wouldn't go as far as saying it's bad.


  • #8446
    Happydays2020
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,677 ✭✭✭Happydays2020


    TonyMaloney wrote: »
    Bad again

    https://twitter.com/COVID19DataIE/status/1363150170708443141?s=19

    Numbers still down for the week and positivity rate below 6% for two days running.


  • #8447
    Turtwig
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    MerlinSouthDub wrote: »
    Nearly 20% fewer swabs than last Saturday, that's not bad!

    It's the positivity Tony is referring to.


  • #8448
    wadacrack
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,172 ✭✭✭wadacrack


    Benimar wrote: »
    843 swabs on 15,122 tests 5.57% positivity

    Ok at best, the rate of decline this week considering the restrictions at the moment is disappointing


  • #8449
    igCorcaigh
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 12,590 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    The trend is still good, but achingly slow given the L5 restrictions.


  • #8450
    Bubbaclaus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,460 ✭✭✭Bubbaclaus


    Turtwig wrote: »
    It's the positivity Tony is referring to.

    The positivity is also down compared to same day last week.


  • #8451
    manofwisdom
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,119 ✭✭✭manofwisdom


    TonyMaloney wrote: »
    Bad again

    https://twitter.com/COVID19DataIE/status/1363150170708443141?s=19

    Bad? We had 1063 positive swabs last Saturday.


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  • #8452
    MerlinSouthDub
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,628 ✭✭✭MerlinSouthDub


    Turtwig wrote: »
    It's the positivity Tony is referring to.

    Positivity rate can stay where it is and it doesn't matter. What matters is that case numbers fall.


  • #8453
    brookers
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 408 ✭✭brookers


    TonyMaloney wrote: »
    Bad again

    https://twitter.com/COVID19DataIE/status/1363150170708443141?s=19

    Im not surprised. To be expected. As posted recently there is huge amount of apathy out there. People young and old are taking chances, no hand sanitising, going into shops that seem much busier. More qs at coffee stations, more people out getting petrol etc, all touching surfaces that are not sanitised and then touching their faces. To be honest I can't see the schools opening, if they do, they will be shutting down again, even before Christmas, some principals were saying that there were far more outbreaks than normal, they struggled to get their message across and were chastised over it. I also notice in work people who have had Covid couldn't give a rats about wearing their mask now.


  • #8454
    jams100
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 868 ✭✭✭jams100


    SusieBlue wrote: »
    Everything I have seen and heard over the last few days leads me to the conclusion that they’re going to do a copy and paste job on last years Roadmap to easing of restrictions and we’ll have the same again this year.

    The only difference is that last year we only went into lockdown in mid March, this year we have been in level 5 since October with a brief 3 week break at Christmas.

    So if it follows the same pattern it looks like the first week of June for non essential retail, the end of June for hairdressers and gyms, and the end of July/start of August for restaurants.
    Before obviously going back into level 5 at the start of October to ‘break the circuit’ and save Christmas so we can make some ‘meaningful’ memories with our families.
    MM said the end of the second quarter for personal services and mid summer for hospitality, so that lines up with last years plan.

    I can’t believe that a whole year later we are in an even worse position with so much uncertainty even though we are already vaccinating people.
    I can’t believe that after all we have learned about this virus, we know so much more than we did last year, we are still making stupid mistakes like letting god knows who into the country to do as they please while we risk breaking the law and being fined if we dare venture more than 5k from our homes.
    I can’t believe they have the audacity to say that forcing quarantine on incoming travellers is too harsh a measure and would be impossible to police, while they have 5 MILLION people (with half a million of those out of work) practically under house arrest for the majority of the last year.

    We will very likely spent more of this year in full lockdown than we did in 2020, and that to me indicates utter failure on behalf of the government.
    They are an incompetent bunch of self serving headless chickens who only care about covering their own arses.

    The manner in which this information is being delivered to the public is nothing short of scandalous, the repeated leaks are completely unprofessional and downright disrespectful.
    Announcing another 9 weeks of lockdown at 10pm at night via a tabloid rag shows how insensitive and irresponsible they are.
    If they had any consideration or compassion for the fact that so many people are at the end of their tether and hanging on by a thread, they would never deliver serious news like that in such a careless way.
    It’s infuriating that they think their actions, particularly over the last week, have been an acceptable way for any government to conduct themselves.
    They are a complete and utter disgrace.

    Well done this post pretty much sums up this entire thread over the past year.

    The solution to avoiding another lockdown is to stay in an endless lockdown.

    At least when we first went into and came out of lockdown it was evidenced based (e.g outdoors is pretty safe) now everyone is just afraid to make a decision in case the twitter mob and zero covids freak out. I'm still to see a piece of evidence that golf courses (not clubhouses) are unsafe. Anyway looks like the golf club I'm a member of is going to close down, from what I've heard only 33% have paid membership fees so there is another business thats probably going to go which is sad because I'll repeat there is no evidence of any spread on golf courses.


  • #8455
    Oranage2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,129 ✭✭✭✭Oranage2


    At this rate we'll have under 100 cases by summer. I think it's bad, this level of lockdown is the level needed to keep the R level stable. It seems the level of planning from the government is them on their knees praying that the vaccine is a success and that a private company offers to distribute it at a massive cost


  • #8456
    UrbanFret
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,059 ✭✭✭UrbanFret


    The reality is that the lockdown is in name only. everywhere is teeming with people. the numbers will not drop below 500 until we are vaccinating a couple of hundred thousand a week. the north will be vaccinated in 2 months time, What then?


  • #8457
    Turtwig
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    MerlinSouthDub wrote: »
    Positivity rate can stay where it is and it doesn't matter. What matters is that case numbers fall.

    No. Both metrics very much matter. If your cases were close to zero and positivity stubbornly high then that would indicate your case number is unreliable and there is a high incidence of undetected community spread.


  • #8458
    Ficheall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,039 ✭✭✭Ficheall


    MerlinSouthDub wrote: »
    Positivity rate can stay where it is and it doesn't matter. What matters is that case numbers fall.
    This was wrong the last time you posted it, and it's still wrong.


  • #8459
    niallo27
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,138 ✭✭✭✭niallo27


    UrbanFret wrote: »
    The reality is that the lockdown is in name only. everywhere is teeming with people. the numbers will not drop below 500 until we are vaccinating a couple of hundred thousand a week. the north will be vaccinated in 2 months time, What then?

    What you mean by teeming with people, where are they. Where is there to go. Everywhere is shut.


  • #8460
    wadacrack
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,172 ✭✭✭wadacrack


    MerlinSouthDub wrote: »
    Positivity rate can stay where it is and it doesn't matter. What matters is that case numbers fall.

    Positivity rate is an important metric. 5% means we are missing alot of cases.


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  • #8461
    MerlinSouthDub
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,628 ✭✭✭MerlinSouthDub


    Turtwig wrote: »
    No. Both metrics very much matter. If your cases were close to zero and positivity stubbornly high then that would indicate your case number is unreliable and there is a high incidence of undetected community spread.

    There is plenty of surplus test capacity at the moment, so no reason to believe our case numbers aren't a true reflection. What's happening is that we are doing less mass testing at the moment, and the close contact positivity rate is high (because close contacts are nearly all household contacts). Both of these factors mean the positivity rate is higher.


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