When will it all end?

20-02-2021 12:41AM

mcsean2163 wrote: »

If anyone interested data is here.

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/covid-stringency-index

And yes, Cuba strictest, Eritrea second strictest and we're number 3.

Where's the table?

20-02-2021 12:43AM

Silentcorner wrote: »

Our experts predicted 120,000 deaths....with a straight face.

Other experts predicted mass graves and freezer trucks full of bodies, that is after the first surge when nothing of the sort happened!!!

Pardon me for being a skeptic but when they are that hysterical with predictions I'll ignore their "expertise".

That's not accurate. They predicted that if we didn't act. We acted.

20-02-2021 12:45AM

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

Where's the table?

Scroll down and click the table tab. Scroll and click the end column to put them in order of severity. Ireland 4th. UK up there too.

20-02-2021 12:46AM

Rezident wrote: »

If you have not copped it by now, you can safely ignore pretty much everything this government says, they will change their advice a few days/weeks/months later anyway. Stop watching the Irish 'News'.

Be responsible, educate yourself, know the risks and live your life. Choose love, not this fear. I am lucky I chose love instead and still not one of my family or friends have gotten COVID, so it was worth it. Even seeing my girlfriend once every two weeks or so has been a lifesaver, for both of us (she is alone in Ireland and her family are all thousands of miles away in her home country).

I genuinely feel so much for the people who listened to this government and are now isolated, lonely, depressed and verging on suicide. And for what? Cases would be high anyway as the clowns have still not secured our borders, as China did in January 2020!

China didn't need to import food or ppe like we do. China is not a small island that is dependant on international deliveries. China is in fact a large producer of these items

China benefited from covid and being china, I wouldn't be too trusting of what they claim

20-02-2021 12:49AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Scroll down and click the table tab. Scroll and click the end column to put them in order of severity. Ireland 4th. UK up there too.

Cheers. Nicaragua really couldn't care less

IQO · 20-02-2021 01:42AM

https://twitter.com/jameshamblin/status/1362763333657636868?s=19

Call me Al · 20-02-2021 02:09AM

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

That's not accurate. They predicted that if we didn't act. We acted.

Exactly.
We couldn't control ourselves for a couple of weeks over Christmas
Look where that left us in January.

mcsean2163 · 20-02-2021 02:14AM

bucketybuck wrote: »

Sick of hearing this horse****.

"People went nuts". :rolleyes: Yeah, I remember them packing out Coppers and having raves in Croke park alright.

Agree, 54,000 came back for Christmas dinner and brought the UK variant with them. It is the one day of the year families try to meet up etc

markodaly · 20-02-2021 02:24AM

Silentcorner wrote: »

Fauci? Seriously?

It is not just Fauci, it is the WHO, the CDC, the UN, the ECDC.... but sure I guess its all a conspiracy. Everything always is to some people.

markodaly · 20-02-2021 02:26AM

Aph2016 wrote: »

The experts who have been consistently wrong on pretty much everything since this whole farce began. Sure.

So, of course, if your premise is correct "It is not of course" We should listen to some random Anto, with this 6 cans of Dutch Gold, spouting off on the Internet.

That is not directed at you, it is directed at the populist nature of the debate, where people just don't want to listen to those that actually know what they are talking about.

Its Taxi driver talk.

deckie66 · 20-02-2021 09:20AM

Most of the forecasting models seem to have the incidence of Covid declining rapidly across Europe by June

Is this weather related (outdoor rather than indoor congregation), the vaccines or both?

Dred. · 20-02-2021 09:22AM

deckie66 wrote: »

Is this weather related , the vaccines or both?

All 3

the kelt · 20-02-2021 09:59AM

bucketybuck wrote: »

You said people went nuts at christmas, and thats emotive nonsense designed to spread a narrative.

"Went nuts", as if it was the last days of sodom and gomorrah, as if the Irish public were let loose like a bunch of toddlers at break time. As if the pubs were actually open and as if the country in December wasn't still under a level of restriction unseen in our lifetimes.

The ****ing Irish public didn't go nuts, they just went home.

Isn’t it amazing how as a country we just lap up misery and blame, love it, please give me more, I don’t care if other countries are getting a level of normality back, we don’t deserve it because we emm, we like, emm had Christmas with our families!!!

Is it a hang up from 800 years of oppression followed by independence to hand the country over to the even more oppressive Catholic Church or what?

We are a decent people, stop acting like we are something else.

(Cue the stories now about this fella was doing that and that other fella was doing this as if declaring we are a decent people drags the ultras like moths to a flame to prove my point above and tell us all “no you’re not!”

20-02-2021 10:08AM

Christmas was borrowing happiness from the future. You can sugarcoat it all you want but an entire country visiting mum and dad during a pandemic has consequences.

GazzaL · 20-02-2021 11:24AM

the kelt wrote: »

Isn’t it amazing how as a country we just lap up misery and blame, love it, please give me more, I don’t care if other countries are getting a level of normality back, we don’t deserve it because we emm, we like, emm had Christmas with our families!!!

Is it a hang up from 800 years of oppression followed by independence to hand the country over to the even more oppressive Catholic Church or what?

We are a decent people, stop acting like we are something else.

(Cue the stories now about this fella was doing that and that other fella was doing this as if declaring we are a decent people drags the ultras like moths to a flame to prove my point above and tell us all “no you’re not!”

People defend lockdowns like they defended mother and baby homes and institutional paedos. They will be on the wrong side of history when all is said and done.

ujjjjjjjjj · 20-02-2021 11:25AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Christmas was borrowing happiness from the future. You can sugarcoat it all you want but an entire country visiting mum and dad during a pandemic has consequences.

More narrative following. Just like the flu we see a massive spike in virus spread in Dec and Jan and like every year it starts to improve quite quickly as you head into Spring.

The lockdown zealots will all say ithe reduction in cases was because of lockdown and the actions of the Irish people. We simply don't know that, it is just a story.

Average age of death from Covid is still firmly lodged in the mid 80's and it is for most people just another minor virus which is extremely unlikely to cause them any problems but most people simply don't want to engage with the facts anymore.

Historically this virus is nothing remarkable, in the 1950's and 1960' we had major outbreaks of flu variants which killed numbers comparable to covid yet no major public health actions were taken and societies barely noticed.

I am not saying we should have done nothing last March but the day we moved from simply providing general health advice to our population (simple messaging to the elderly and vulnerable about self isolating if they wished) was the day we crossed the Rubicon into this nightmare world now we live in. Removal of our most cherished freedoms is not only being inflicted on us by health and safety obsessed politicians and advisors but even more depressingly it is being accepted blindly by people who have been terrified and manipulated for over a year now.

The very first set of significant data to come out of China and outbreaks on cruise ships and aircraft carriers which acted as perfect closed laboratories for this virus, showed it's low mortality rate in all bar the extremely old and vulnerable. Nothing had changed in a year, read the excellent data produced by the CSO in Ireland.

I am fully resigned now to the fact that the lockdown brigade has done such an effective job of scaring people and no one in charge has the courage to raise their head about the parapet, that we will just have to wait for the vaccine to be given to every 18 year old and over before restrictions will substantially lift. I am also fully aware that most people will put up with this due to skewed levels of risk awareness but the truly scary thing is the endless chatter about new variants suggests to me that a line in the sand which simply says 'right we are vaccinated move on'...is increasingly unlikely to happen and this dystopian nightmare will continue in one shape or form with an underlying hysteria always present in our population. A Covid hangover so to speak.

JimCore · 20-02-2021 12:23PM

ujjjjjjjjj wrote: »

More narrative following. Just like the flu we see a massive spike in virus spread in Dec and Jan and like every year it starts to improve quite quickly as you head into Spring.

The lockdown zealots will all say ithe reduction in cases was because of lockdown and the actions of the Irish people. We simply don't know that, it is just a story.

Average age of death from Covid is still firmly lodged in the mid 80's and it is for most people just another minor virus which is extremely unlikely to cause them any problems but most people simply don't want to engage with the facts anymore.

Historically this virus is nothing remarkable, in the 1950's and 1960' we had major outbreaks of flu variants which killed numbers comparable to covid yet no major public health actions were taken and societies barely noticed.

I am not saying we should have done nothing last March but the day we moved from simply providing general health advice to our population (simple messaging to the elderly and vulnerable about self isolating if they wished) was the day we crossed the Rubicon into this nightmare world now we live in. Removal of our most cherished freedoms is not only being inflicted on us by health and safety obsessed politicians and advisors but even more depressingly it is being accepted blindly by people who have been terrified and manipulated for over a year now.

The very first set of significant data to come out of China and outbreaks on cruise ships and aircraft carriers which acted as perfect closed laboratories for this virus, showed it's low mortality rate in all bar the extremely old and vulnerable. Nothing had changed in a year, read the excellent data produced by the CSO in Ireland.

I am fully resigned now to the fact that the lockdown brigade has done such an effective job of scaring people and no one in charge has the courage to raise their head about the parapet, that we will just have to wait for the vaccine to be given to every 18 year old and over before restrictions will substantially lift. I am also fully aware that most people will put up with this due to skewed levels of risk awareness but the truly scary thing is the endless chatter about new variants suggests to me that a line in the sand which simply says 'right we are vaccinated move on'...is increasingly unlikely to happen and this dystopian nightmare will continue in one shape or form with an underlying hysteria always present in our population. A Covid hangover so to speak.

Its not a flu!!

There are a number of children under 4 currently hospitalised.

It is killing and has killed people who should have lived longer.

Youve clearly not had anyone close to you die from it..

Wear the mask over your nose and sanitise your hands thanks

JMNolan · 20-02-2021 12:28PM

JimCore wrote: »

Its not a flu!!

There are a number of children under 4 currently hospitalised.

It is killing and has killed people who should have lived longer.

Youve clearly not had anyone close to you die from it..

Wear the mask over your nose and sanitise your hands thanks

Bad news for you lad, people die. Sad and all that it is. Do you think if covid didn't exist they'd live forever?

Samsonsmasher · 20-02-2021 12:32PM

JimCore wrote: »

Its not a flu!!

There are a number of children under 4 currently hospitalised.

It is killing and has killed people who should have lived longer.

Youve clearly not had anyone close to you die from it..

Wear the mask over your nose and sanitise your hands thanks

No

20-02-2021 12:39PM

It’s clear to see they are hoping they will be able to lift restrictions alongside this vaccine rollout but isn’t anyone thinking there is way too much focus being put on that? Look at this disaster with AstraZeneca, there’s nothing to say the same couldn’t happen with J&J or even Pfizer and Moderna. If we have another supply issue we’re buggered, again, and it’ll be back to Level 5 forever more amen, if we ever leave it.

They still haven’t even decided the number we need to focus on. Another poster alluded to this, is is it R, is it hospitalisations or is it cases? Nobody knows anymore.

If the first lockdown worked, why the need for a second? If the first one didn’t work, why do it again? Maybe it worked before but now it’s not working well enough. Here we are in the 3rd and cases have plateaued and I’m honestly a little bit afraid of what little liberty we have left we will get to keep.

Things are falling apart, nothing being built, nothing being fixed, can’t buy things, can’t go anywhere, it’s absolute lunacy.

And worst of all, MM is running around saying he’s been clear on everything, and then LV comes out and says the same! Either they are thick or lying but both are bad options. A total shower of clowns this lot.

People have died, people are dying, people will die. It’s awful and sometimes it’s tragic but it’s the single thing we can be sure of in life. Sacrificing the good of the many in the name of the few is not wise. The many will become tired, and despondent if they haven’t already and then we will have bigger problems on our hands.

SoapMcTavish · 20-02-2021 12:54PM

JimCore wrote: »

Its not a flu!!

There are a number of children under 4 currently hospitalised.

It is killing and has killed people who should have lived longer.

Youve clearly not had anyone close to you die from it..

Wear the mask over your nose and sanitise your hands thanks

Are people dying FROM Covid, or WITH Covid ?

JMNolan · 20-02-2021 12:57PM

House party went well last night, no gardai involved and everyone home safely.

Tazz T · 20-02-2021 01:12PM

JimCore wrote: »

Its not a flu!!

There are a number of children under 4 currently hospitalised.

It is killing and has killed people who should have lived longer.

Youve clearly not had anyone close to you die from it..

Wear the mask over your nose and sanitise your hands thanks

I'm sure he does take precautions. It's very much like flu by the way. In fact, in the past flu was much more deadly.

Tazz T · 20-02-2021 01:14PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Christmas was borrowing happiness from the future. .

You could sell that phrase to Leo.

mcsean2163 · 20-02-2021 02:12PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Scroll down and click the table tab. Scroll and click the end column to put them in order of severity. Ireland 4th. UK up there too.

At the risk of being pedantic, joint third with Honduras.

Bit cynical · 20-02-2021 02:22PM

aido79 wrote: »

Can you name one thing that Dolores Cahill has said in relation to covid19 that has been backed up by other medical professionals or proved to be correct?

Not defending her but in fairness did she not say that that there was lasting immunity from contracting the virus?

ujjjjjjjjj · 20-02-2021 02:27PM

JimCore wrote: »

Its not a flu!!

There are a number of children under 4 currently hospitalised.

It is killing and has killed people who should have lived longer.

Youve clearly not had anyone close to you die from it..

Wear the mask over your nose and sanitise your hands thanks

Never said it was the flu.

Many kids in hospital for many reasons, the numbers with Covid are not alarming and this virus is not of any significant risk to children. I have three kids by the way and don't consider Covid to be any risk to them worth worrying about and certainly wouldn't consider amending their behaviour in anyway at all if we had the choice. What I have seen is three children in various states of depression and mental collapse entirely due to the lockdown narrative.

If someone close to me died of Covid my perception of the risk or my assessment of this situation would not change. I have elderly parents and parents in law including one with a lung condition. I entirely respect their decision to take whatever steps they see fit to protect themselves but if one of them died from Covid it would not change my perception or assessment of the risk involved with this disease. All four of them believe it should be up to individuals to take their own decisions as to the precautions they should take and also believe it is entirely possible for elderly and vulnerable to isolate as they see fit but not impose it on society in general.

I entirely respect your decision to take whatever precautions you want to protect yourself from this virus or other health risks but I will make my own decision thank you as to what precautions I will take if any.

mcsean2163 · 20-02-2021 02:30PM

Bit cynical wrote: »

Not defending her but in fairness did she not say that that there was lasting immunity from contracting the virus?

She did. She also said what orange bad said which was that hydroxychloroquine was beneficial.

A paper on nature proved that hydroxychloroquine was ineffective but that paper was then withdrawn as it was it was using made up data. A much later Belgian study showed a 30% reduction in mortality associated with hydroxychloroquine

Prof. Dr Dolores Cahill is a world-wide renowned expert in high-throughput proteomics technology development and automation, high content protein arrays and their biomedical applications, including in biomarker discovery and diagnostics.
Prof. Cahill pioneered this research area at the Max-Planck-Institute of Molecular Genetics in Berlin, Germany, and holds several international patents in this field with research, biomedicine and diagnostic applications.

So she may have been right on several things but her presentation was very naïve.

Bit cynical · 20-02-2021 02:34PM

mcsean2163 wrote: »

So she may have been right on several things but her presentation was very naïve.

I agree. Certainly drop the CovidAir airline business. It is shame because we are now stuck on a path that will be hard to get out of.

Annasopra · 20-02-2021 02:44PM

ujjjjjjjjj wrote: »

Never said it was the flu.

Many kids in hospital for many reasons, the numbers with Covid are not alarming and this virus is not of any significant risk to children. I have three kids by the way and don't consider Covid to be any risk to them worth worrying about and certainly wouldn't consider amending their behaviour in anyway at all if we had the choice. What I have seen is three children in various states of depression and mental collapse entirely due to the lockdown narrative.

If someone close to me died of Covid my perception of the risk or my assessment of this situation would not change. I have elderly parents and parents in law including one with a lung condition. I entirely respect their decision to take whatever steps they see fit to protect themselves but if one of them died from Covid it would not change my perception or assessment of the risk involved with this disease. All four of them believe it should be up to individuals to take their own decisions as to the precautions they should take and also believe it is entirely possible for elderly and vulnerable to isolate as they see fit but not impose it on society in general.

I entirely respect your decision to take whatever precautions you want to protect yourself from this virus or other health risks but I will make my own decision thank you as to what precautions I will take if any.

I dont believe anyone has said lockdowns are desirable or that lockdowns are ideal.
The idea that kids are not at risk makes sense too when taken at face value but the idea that they do not put others at risk when there is widespread community mixing doesnt really hold up.
Your view on this seems to be taking an individualist approach and not taking a public health one because that is an imposition. I think many of us who disagree with you accept impositions because we see as a public health approach and very much more than about individual choices.

When will it all end?

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