COVID-19: Vaccine and testing procedures Megathread Part 3 - Read OP

Dressoutlet · 20-02-2021 01:10AM

Wolf359f wrote: »

Just you mentioning 4 underlying conditions, I'm curious as to how group 7 would be rolled out, will it be up to GP's to vaccinate based on their judgement on whose more at risk (regardless of age)
I'm sure there's plenty of younger people in group 7 with far more serious underlying conditions than an older person with a single one.

I actually spoke to my GP the other day about this. She said she thinks it will be an online portal registration where the patient selects their underlying issue(s) and we will be categorised by priority. Where a 21 year old with Cystic Fibrosis would be of higher priority than a 50 year old with a high BMI. But she was unsure as to how the priority would actually be set.

Water John · 20-02-2021 01:11AM

NeuralNetwork wrote: »

They were like that long before the pandemic. Just an extremely busy practice.

Contact with a large GP practice and a Veterinary Practice, both always answer promptly.

Goldengirl · 20-02-2021 01:16AM

NeuralNetwork wrote: »

I'll try her GP again on Monday. They are extremely difficult to reach most of the time. You could be trying the phone for maybe an hour or more. It just keeps going to voicemail and they never return the calls - you just get a message saying "you've reached .... clinic. Our lines are busy. Please try later or leave a message."

Maybe leave a message with her name , dob and phone number and yours as well, asking them to let her/ you know when it is likely to be ....that's what I would be doing.
They will listen to the messages and get back when they know but she won't be forgotten about .

Goldengirl · 20-02-2021 01:19AM

Dressoutlet wrote: »

I actually spoke to my GP the other day about this. She said she thinks it will be an online portal registration where the patient selects their underlying issue(s) and we will be categorised by priority. Where a 21 year old with Cystic Fibrosis would be of higher priority than a 50 year old with a high BMI. But she was unsure as to how the priority would actually be set.

Hopefully not like the story about the 6.5cm man in UK !

josip · 20-02-2021 01:23AM

NeuralNetwork wrote: »

They were like that long before the pandemic. Just an extremely busy practice.

I can't understand though in this day and age, with widely available VoIP services, why they can't operate a call queuing system instead of dumping people to voicemail. I've come across that at two GPs in two different cities and it's pretty obvious that there's going to be a huge amount of extra phone demand during this pandemic, which is now rolling on for almost a year.

It's literally just an eir landline voicemail box that's permanently answering because the line is always busy.

You could always write them a letter.
I've found that Health Services and Govt Departments have excellent turnaround times on the oldest form of distance communication.
GPs are probably similar.

I think most GPs still use faxs (shudder) because they need them to communicate with other parts of the general health system (shudder, shudder). But for this you'll either need your own fax or use an internet service.

Wolf359f · 20-02-2021 01:23AM

Dressoutlet wrote: »

I actually spoke to my GP the other day about this. She said she thinks it will be an online portal registration where the patient selects their underlying issue(s) and we will be categorised by priority. Where a 21 year old with Cystic Fibrosis would be of higher priority than a 50 year old with a high BMI. But she was unsure as to how the priority would actually be set.

I hope it's done that way, maybe a hefty fine if someone selects underlying conditions they don't have and some random checks to make sure.
It could also be a case when they get to us, vaccines will be in a plenty full supply, the difference between the 2 examples will be only a week and not months.

Polar101 · 20-02-2021 01:32AM

Heard from my relative in another EU country, who is staff at a nursing home - she got her second dose of the Moderna vaccine this week. She said she had no side effects from the first dose, but got a fever for two days from the second (but was grand afterwards). Sounds like it's working as intended, and was good to hear the Moderna vaccine is being distributed too.

doublejobbing 2 · 20-02-2021 01:39AM

Sconsey wrote: »

I know at one point they say 1 Million people but I would guess it actually doses...which would be half a million per month, so roughly 10 months (or September) to get everyone.

Therein lies the confusion.

The IT article claims 1 million people per month from April (whether that's 1m in April, or starting at a rate of speed that means 1m in May, June, July is unclear)

That scenario would equate to all adults getting vaccinated by around June or July.

Mehole says 1.2 million vaccines, not doses, which would equate to only 600,000 people. And nobody has publicly said that the September date for completing it may be coming back significantly to as early as June if the IT article is correct.

Maybe he is referring to a one shot vaccine. Or maybe as per usual he hasn't a clue what he's on about.

It s very irresponsible having such confusion out there.

hmmm · 20-02-2021 01:43AM

Interesting article:

https://twitter.com/YaleSPH/status/1362901032947302400

Wolf359f · 20-02-2021 01:54AM

doublejobbing 2 wrote: »

Therein lies the confusion.

The IT article claims 1 million people per month from April (whether that's 1m in April, or starting at a rate of speed that means 1m in May, June, July is unclear)

That scenario would equate to all adults getting vaccinated by around June or July.

Mehole says 1.2 million vaccines, not doses, which would equate to only 600,000 people.

Maybe he is referring to a one shot vaccine. Or maybe as per usual he hasn't a clue what he's on about.

It s very irresponsible having such confusion out there.

Based on other countries delivery schedules, it would be 1/1.2mil doses excluding the single shot J&J.
Those 1mil doses in April won't be first and second doses to only half a million people, they will mainly be first doses to people and some will be second doses.

People need to realise we're dealing with 3 vaccines (so far), 2 have a second dose 3-4 weeks apart, 1 is 12 weeks apart, the latter cannot be given to over 70's, the first 2 cannot easily be given in persons homes. Vaccine 2 has a slow delivery, so you can't give all doses at once. Vaccine 3 has promised X amount, but as it's a new delivery schedule, should we hold back some doses?
All it takes is one vaccine manufacture to have a blip in output and it causes chaos.

It's now as easy as, we will have X delivered this week and X vaccinated.

Goldengirl · 20-02-2021 02:31AM

UK delivery will probably be different from next month as they will have to think about 2nd doses for those that got their first doses in December ..unless they are planning to push the doses out further than 12 weeks ?

Wolf359f · 20-02-2021 02:34AM

Goldengirl wrote: »

UK delivery will probably be different from next month as they will have to think about 2nd doses for those that got their first doses in December ..unless they are planning to push the doses out further than 12 weeks ?

I doubt they will push it out, they got their headline figure, 15mil vaccinated by what ever date. They can sit on their arse and the public will still see it as a win.

dominatinMC · 20-02-2021 10:20AM

It's becoming a bit of a recurring theme on here, and maybe slightly off-topic given the thread, but there's been some truly pathetic reporting by our media this morning. I was listening to the radio just now and had to pull over to type this, such is my anger. George Lee reporting on the Brazilian variant (their new flavour of the month) and that it has been detected here - which is a genuine concern. He then goes on to misinform and scaremonger by stating that the variant MIGHT evade vaccine induced antibodies. To the ill-informed, that equates to the vaccine not working, and RTE know that.
I think it's reasonable to assume most people aren't reading what we're seeing on this thread, but RTEs control of the narrative is truly sickening. Where are the reports on the evidence that vaccines work (by preventing severe illness, hospitalisations and deaths) against all known variants? What about the latest studies suggesting the vaccine reduce transmission? But no, they will focus on any slight defect in vaccine performance. Shower of pricks!

Cork2021 · 20-02-2021 10:28AM

dominatinMC wrote: »

It's becoming a bit of a recurring theme on here, and maybe slightly off-topic given the thread, but there's been some truly pathetic reporting by our media this morning. I was listening to the radio just now and had to pull over to type this, such is my anger. George Lee reporting on the Brazilian variant (their new flavour of the month) and that it has been detected here - which is a genuine concern. He then goes on to misinform and scaremonger by stating that the variant MIGHT evade vaccine induced antibodies. To the ill-informed, that equates to the vaccine not working, and RTE know that.
I think it's reasonable to assume most people aren't reading what we're seeing on this thread, but RTEs control of the narrative is truly sickening. Where are the reports on the evidence that vaccines work (by preventing severe illness, hospitalisations and deaths) against all known variants? What about the latest studies suggesting the vaccine reduce transmission? But no, they will focus on any slight defect in vaccine performance. Shower of pricks!

Totally agreed! It’s an absolute joke shop now this stage. They know that news and info is there but are either very slow to report or it’s totally ignored. They’d rather have the Zero Covid Swingers on then actually go after facts!

agoodpunt · 20-02-2021 11:16AM

Switch off RTE its to depressing they more pro lockdown than the de zero coviders

Donald Trump · 20-02-2021 11:31AM

dominatinMC wrote: »

It's becoming a bit of a recurring theme on here, and maybe slightly off-topic given the thread, but there's been some truly pathetic reporting by our media this morning. I was listening to the radio just now and had to pull over to type this, such is my anger. George Lee reporting on the Brazilian variant (their new flavour of the month) and that it has been detected here - which is a genuine concern. He then goes on to misinform and scaremonger by stating that the variant MIGHT evade vaccine induced antibodies. To the ill-informed, that equates to the vaccine not working, and RTE know that.
I think it's reasonable to assume most people aren't reading what we're seeing on this thread, but RTEs control of the narrative is truly sickening. Where are the reports on the evidence that vaccines work (by preventing severe illness, hospitalisations and deaths) against all known variants? What about the latest studies suggesting the vaccine reduce transmission? But no, they will focus on any slight defect in vaccine performance. Shower of pricks!

Would you prefer that they promote the boards.ie resident experts' view that, as only 0.5% of cases are caused by travel, that those arriving to Ireland who have been in Brazil recently don't need to bother doing anything? And anyway, even if the variant gets in, "ah shure, you know yourself, the vaccine might be grand anyways"

And we should also stop running and advertising annual flu vaccination programs? With the sickening narrative that people could catch it this year even if they got vaccinated last year?

Sanjuro · 20-02-2021 11:46AM

hmmm wrote: »

Interesting article:

https://twitter.com/YaleSPH/status/1362901032947302400

Cut to the Irish government installing a massive sun blocker and telling us there are no summers any longer and we all must be welded into our homes.

Apogee · 20-02-2021 12:15PM

Apogee wrote: »

Today's update:

Wednesday's numbers - increase of 17,148. 16,315 recorded as administered on Wednesday. But they updated/increased the numbers for Tuesday as well (from 11908 to 12053) and also for Monday (from 8064 to 8168) and for other days prior. Hence the discrepancy in comparing daily Totals vs. the numbers recorded for individual days.

MerlinSouthDub · 20-02-2021 12:18PM

Apogee wrote: »

Wednesday's numbers - increase of 17,148

17000 in one day, that's brilliant!

Deathofcool · 20-02-2021 12:23PM

1k over 85s getting first dose in DCU today

https://twitter.com/LauraHoganTV/status/1363077094469750784?s=19

Micky 32 · 20-02-2021 12:31PM

Deathofcool wrote: »

1k over 85s getting first dose in DCU today

https://twitter.com/LauraHoganTV/status/1363077094469750784?s=19

Today is another step closer to the end of this :pac:

Kivaro · 20-02-2021 12:33PM

Sanjuro wrote: »

Cut to the Irish government installing a massive sun blocker and telling us there are no summers any longer and we all must be welded into our homes.

I think they already installed it last summer, as there was little to no sun.

Kivaro · 20-02-2021 12:39PM

dominatinMC wrote: »

I think it's reasonable to assume most people aren't reading what we're seeing on this thread, but RTEs control of the narrative is truly sickening. Where are the reports on the evidence that vaccines work (by preventing severe illness, hospitalisations and deaths) against all known variants? What about the latest studies suggesting the vaccine reduce transmission? But no, they will focus on any slight defect in vaccine performance. Shower of pricks!

RTE have a lot to answer for when it comes to the mental health decline of so many people in this country. Our national broadcaster seem to wallow in misery for some strange reason. Many in the older generation have only RTE to rely on for their news, and the manner on how they conveyed the Covid narrative for the past year is disgraceful. They should be ashamed of themselves.

dominatinMC · 20-02-2021 12:43PM

Donald Trump wrote: »

Would you prefer that they promote the boards.ie resident experts' view that, as only 0.5% of cases are caused by travel, that those arriving to Ireland who have been in Brazil recently don't need to bother doing anything? And anyway, even if the variant gets in, "ah shure, you know yourself, the vaccine might be grand anyways"

And we should also stop running and advertising annual flu vaccination programs? With the sickening narrative that people could catch it this year even if they got vaccinated last year?

No. But you if actually read my post you'd have seen that I'd prefer a bit of balance in our reporting - so that the positive development (of which there are a lot believe it or not) are given as much airtime as all the hysteria and negativity. As the state broadcaster, RTE have a duty of responsibility to inform, not burden people with doom. I just hope people remember this tactic when it comes to paying any TV licence.

Anyway, going off topic here, so I'll leave it at that.

Cork2021 · 20-02-2021 12:46PM

This variants crap has to stop! Can’t keep going with the same line!!!

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0220/1198280-taoiseach-restrictions/

Micky 32 · 20-02-2021 12:51PM

Cork2021 wrote: »

This variants crap has to stop! Can’t keep going with the same line!!!

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0220/1198280-taoiseach-restrictions/

It gives the impression that we must stay in permanent lockdown just incase a new variant comes along.

VG31 · 20-02-2021 12:59PM

Micky 32 wrote: »

It gives the impression that we must stay in permanent lockdown just incase a new variant comes along.

The way they're talking about it we could have 100% of the country vaccinated but still have lockdown-like restrictions because of "variants". Midsummer before hospitality opens? That's complete bull****.

It's like they're trying to prove the conspiracy theorists right by coming out with crap like this.

Micky 32 · 20-02-2021 01:03PM

VG31 wrote: »

The way they're talking about it we could have 100% of the country vaccinated but still have lockdown-like restrictions because of "variants". Midsummer before hospitality opens? That's complete bull****.

It's like they're trying to prove the conspiracy theorists right by coming out with crap like this.

If that happens i can see young people start emmigrating, i for one won’t stay in this country if that is the end result. I certainly wouldn’t stay here.

Time to start thinking of our futures.

alexonhisown · 20-02-2021 01:05PM

Roughly when are over 55’s due to start vaccinations? Once they are vaccinated surely no reason for these harsh restrictions.

They need to relax the 5k rule a bit and allow families (small amounts) to meet outdoors. People are starting to go crazy being restricted to within 5k

dominatinMC · 20-02-2021 01:09PM

Cork2021 wrote: »

This variants crap has to stop! Can’t keep going with the same line!!!

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0220/1198280-taoiseach-restrictions/

Absolutely ridiculous. You would almost forget that we have a raft of vaccines (which work against all variants) being distributed and administered is this country. But this summer is set to be even worse than last summer, when we had no vaccine! Even typing that out seems laughable - if it wasn't so serious. Our only hope is that when deaths and hospitalisations plummet in the next few weeks that public goodwill (if there's any left by now) evaporates and there is a clamour for restrictions to be lifted. Or that our neighbours start reopening and that will put further pressure on our lot. I won't be depending on our media to ask the hard questions anyway, unless it's something to do with a variant or strain! Complete joke at this stage

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