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COVID-19: Vaccine and testing procedures Megathread Part 3 - Read OP

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  • #962
    doublejobbing 2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 763 ✭✭✭doublejobbing 2


    https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/nine-more-weeks-severe-lockdown-23526450.amp?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=sharebar&__twitter_impression=true

    This article has Mehole claiming we will have 1.2 million vaccine doses per month from April.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/hse-plans-to-vaccinate-1-million-people-per-month-from-april-1.4488754

    This claims 1 million people.

    A very important differentiation to make, which is it?

    That timeframe has pretty much every person vaccinated by the end of July at worst, bar children (for whom the jury is still out)

    Why are they still waffling on about September?


  • #963
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,353 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    Another feel good & good news story:

    Irish Defence Forces Deliver First Vaccines To Islands Off The West Coast of Ireland
    https://corksafetyalerts.com/news/irish-defence-forces-deliver-first-vaccines-to-islands-off-the-west-coast-of-ireland/

    Good news @ Graces7 !


  • #964
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,353 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Yevon wrote: »
    I would imagine those with certain underlying conditions will be invited to get the AZ vaccine starting from U70 and working down.

    That is my understanding too.


  • #965
    Stark
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,207 ✭✭✭✭Stark


    doublejobbing 2 wrote: »
    https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/nine-more-weeks-severe-lockdown-23526450.amp?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=sharebar&__twitter_impression=true

    This article has Mehole claiming we will have 1.2 million vaccine doses per month from April.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/hse-plans-to-vaccinate-1-million-people-per-month-from-april-1.4488754

    This claims 1 million people.

    A very important differentiation to make, which is it?

    That timeframe has pretty much every person vaccinated by the end of July at worst, bar children (for whom the jury is still out)

    Why are they still waffling on about September?

    Under promise and over deliver I hope. Revised estimates from Denmark and Sweden have everyone vaccinated by end of June and they're on the same EU supply schedule as us so end of July at worst does sound realistic to me.


  • #966
    GeorgeBailey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,187 ✭✭✭GeorgeBailey


    Frank Bullitt wrote: »
    Reading the news in this thread has brought a ray go light to my heart.

    I live in Canada and haven't seen my folks in over a year, there is hope that I will see them sooner than I had thought.

    This is definitely the best thread to come to if you're looking for a bit of positivity (positivity based on solid, verifiable information).


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  • #967
    Cork2021
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,445 ✭✭✭Cork2021


    Just a run down of the last few days good news!

    https://twitter.com/boghuma/status/1362871133238931465?s=21


  • #968
    noplacehere
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 583 ✭✭✭noplacehere


    Cork2021 wrote: »
    Just a run down of the last few days good news!

    https://twitter.com/boghuma/status/1362871133238931465?s=21

    I missed a load of this. Is this all accurate? 1 week for the review of J&J? And we can drop to single dose of Modena??


  • #969
    Sconsey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,614 ✭✭✭Sconsey


    doublejobbing 2 wrote: »
    https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/nine-more-weeks-severe-lockdown-23526450.amp?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=sharebar&__twitter_impression=true

    This article has Mehole claiming we will have 1.2 million vaccine doses per month from April.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/hse-plans-to-vaccinate-1-million-people-per-month-from-april-1.4488754

    This claims 1 million people.

    A very important differentiation to make, which is it?

    That timeframe has pretty much every person vaccinated by the end of July at worst, bar children (for whom the jury is still out)

    Why are they still waffling on about September?


    I know at one point they say 1 Million people but I would guess it actually doses...which would be half a million per month, so roughly 10 months (or September) to get everyone.


  • #970
    iamwhoiam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,265 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    Dressoutlet wrote: »
    I think you are wrong, he said during the week they were getting advice on moving group 7 up.
    But does that mean moving group 5 down
    I am in 5 but no underlying conditions ?


  • #971
    Frank Bullitt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,260 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    Micky 32 wrote: »
    I kinda was resigning to the fact i may never see my family in the states ever again. But as more and more news emerges I’m starting to get hopeful.

    Worldwide cases are plummeting ( not all explainable either) and on top of that vaccines worlwide being rolled out. Not to mention the reductions in transmission evidence emerging. So add those 3 things together and i can see those little critters waving their little white flags in the not too distant future. So i would think that you’ll see your parents again soon enough ;)

    Thanks for this. :)


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  • #972
    Doc07
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    noplacehere wrote: »
    I missed a load of this. Is this all accurate? 1 week for the review of J&J? And we can drop to single dose of Modena??

    Don’t want to diss all the good news but no, not all that is accurate.

    Moderna remains a 2-dose schedule.
    There was some data about the immune spike from a half dose but there is no clinical efficacy data to back it up, neither the company nor any regulators or the WHO have paid any heed to half dose or single dose for Moderna.

    Regulators are doing their best to be fast but one week is a bit much to expect!
    J&J will be reviewed by FDA advisory committee next Friday so FDA may well be able to issue emergency use authorisation as soon as Monday week. But it’s not a one week review, they have had data for few weeks.

    EMA have data now also (got it bit later than FDA)and will likely be able to make decision very soon also, perhaps by mid March. Don’t think J&J can supply until April anyway so no need for everyone to complain about ‘slow’ EU all over again.


  • #973
    Doc07
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    hmmm wrote: »
    Understood. However the data emerging from Israel is making a strong case for delaying it, and also there is the possibility that Pfizer will start pushing out the new variant vaccine in Q3 which might be worth delaying the 2nd shot for.

    The prospect of vaccinating an extra couple of hundred thousand people in the near term must be attractive. I'd be interested to know whether the EMA would consider something like the evidence from Israel, or is it completely a non-runner without other data.

    Very good consideration and no, not a complete non-runner and would be at least considered by EMA if Pfizer wanted to submit it. But the data from Israel , as wonderful as it is, is very short term and worth noting that neither Israel public health nor Pfizer have any intention of proposing one dose. The ‘best’ evidence is still for 2 doses


  • #974
    Manach
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 9,816 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manach


    Manach wrote: »
    The GP contacted us in regard vaccine for an over 85 year old family member. As this person is house bound and unable to travel, the GP stated in that circumstance, they were unable to administer the vaccine and suggested waiting for another type of vaccine.

    I had thought however, based on news reports, that the HSE said that there were plans in place for this contingency. Does anyone known anything concrete about these?

    As an update.
    The HSE were contacted. They confirmed, using the the phrase "No one will be left behind", that this along with similar housebound cases will be dealt with. Unfortunately, they were not in a position to say by whom (there was a mention of relevant local authorities) or when.
    So I reckon the best bet is to await HSE protocol developments.


  • #975
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,353 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Promised @ stephenjmcd I would report back on my experience of the Pfizer Biontech vaccine .Then everything exploded and I went off thread except for the odd catch up on a day off .
    Had my second dose beginning week 5 after 1st dose.
    First dose had a sore arm and a bit headachey for a day or 2 afterwards but no big deal, like any other vaccine I have had .
    2 nd dose was not as good . Ended up off sick for 2 days afterwards, in bed , very tired, bit of a temperature aching all over and very bad headaches , like a flu dose .
    Then woke up on day 3 like the sun had started to shine , full of the joys and back in action again .
    We all had to report any temperatures or side effects before return and if so , get checked out by occupational health and swabbed , in case .
    Others have reported similar symptoms with this vaccine on the 2nd dose .
    But usually those with confirmed or suspected Covid previously have had some sort of stronger reaction with the second dose.
    I was very sick with a flu and cough , which was ultimately thought to be Covid last March , in the beginning, but was tested a few weeks after I recovered and tested negative .

    I have been fine since the vaccine but still take usual precautions until we know for sure that transmission is reduced for definite , and that is standard atm .

    I believe I am in a minority but many people complain of headaches and a sore arm on the first but usually second dose. .

    Hope that is of help.


  • #976
    Chris_5339762
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,180 ✭✭✭Chris_5339762


    Pfizer:

    Dose 1: Got it on a Monday, was fine for the week with just a slightly sore arm (which I managed to whack off a doorframe twice) but on the Thursday evening, Friday, Saturday and Sunday I was really quite fatigued. Was fine after taking it easy for a few days.

    Dose 2: Monday 3 weeks later. Was actually fine mostly with it. A little feverish (read: warm) for an evening a few days after but overall fine.

    A few people at work took a day off after Dose 2 because of headaches or a night of fever or a day in bed.

    But everyone agreed that any of the side effects were better than getting COVID and the legion of unknowns that come with that.


  • #977
    funnydoggy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,065 ✭✭✭funnydoggy


    Mother forwarding me the Brazilian import stuff. Anything I can show her so I can stop her panicking?


  • #978
    ACitizenErased
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,787 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    funnydoggy wrote: »
    Mother forwarding me the Brazilian import stuff. Anything I can show her so I can stop her panicking?
    the press release literally says:

    While there is currently no microbiological or epidemiological evidence of any change in transmissibility of P1, this is plausible.


  • #979
    iamwhoiam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,265 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    I heard first hand today of HSE admin staff working in offices and nowhere near hospitals or patients were vaccinated today .
    A kick in the teeth for those badly in need of a vaccine


  • #980
    funnydoggy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,065 ✭✭✭funnydoggy


    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    the press release literally says:

    While there is currently no microbiological or epidemiological evidence of any change in transmissibility of P1, this is plausible.


    TBH I didn't even read it! She just sent it in panic and I rolled my eyes. Thanks lol :)


  • #981
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,469 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    Goldengirl wrote: »
    Promised @ stephenjmcd I would report back on my experience of the Pfizer Biontech vaccine .Then everything exploded and I went off thread except for the odd catch up on a day off .
    Had my second dose beginning week 5 after 1st dose.
    First dose had a sore arm and a bit headachey for a day or 2 afterwards but no big deal, like any other vaccine I have had .
    2 nd dose was not as good . Ended up off sick for 2 days afterwards, in bed , very tired, bit of a temperature aching all over and very bad headaches , like a flu dose .
    Then woke up on day 3 like the sun had started to shine , full of the joys and back in action again .
    We all had to report any temperatures or side effects before return and if so , get checked out by occupational health and swabbed , in case .
    Others have reported similar symptoms with this vaccine on the 2nd dose .
    But usually those with confirmed or suspected Covid previously have had some sort of stronger reaction with the second dose.
    I was very sick with a flu and cough , which was ultimately thought to be Covid last March , in the beginning, but was tested a few weeks after I recovered and tested negative .

    I have been fine since the vaccine but still take usual precautions until we know for sure that transmission is reduced for definite , and that is standard atm .

    I believe I am in a minority but many people complain of headaches and a sore arm on the first but usually second dose. .

    Hope that is of help.

    Good to hear all of that.

    Yeah very similar to the few healthcare workers I know. 2nd dose left them feeling a bit crap next day, day later absolutely fine as good as new


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  • #982
    [Deleted User]
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    iamwhoiam wrote: »
    I heard first hand today of HSE admin staff working in offices and nowhere near hospitals or patients were vaccinated today .
    A kick in the teeth for those badly in need of a vaccine

    You mean group 4. Given group 3 is underway and they are only getting the mRNA vaccines, group 4 are next


  • #983
    hmmm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,202 ✭✭✭✭hmmm


    Goldengirl wrote: »
    I was very sick with a flu and cough , which was ultimately thought to be Covid last March , in the beginning, but was tested a few weeks after I recovered and tested negative .
    It's interesting that the studies seem to suggest that having had Covid, and then getting a single dose of the vaccine, that you're getting antibody levels similar to two doses of the vaccine. I wonder if (in a completely unscientific sense) having Covid, then two doses of vaccine, is just sending your system into the complete over-drive with what are almost three doses.

    The immune system is a wonderful and complex thing.....


  • #984
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,353 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    Good to hear all of that.

    Yeah very similar to the few healthcare workers I know. 2nd dose left them feeling a bit crap next day, day later absolutely fine as good as new

    Guess I'm a wee bit older than them ;) but similar stories from some of my colleagues.
    Just to say we are wondering if those confirmed as having had Covid in future may not have to have that ( nasty ) second dose?
    Maybe our bodies were saying " enough already " !


  • #985
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,353 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    hmmm wrote: »
    It's interesting that the studies seem to suggest that having had Covid, and then getting a single dose of the vaccine, that you're getting antibody levels similar to two doses of the vaccine. I wonder if (in a completely unscientific sense) having Covid, then two doses of vaccine, is just sending your system into the complete over-drive with what are almost three doses.

    The immune system is a wonderful and complex thing.....

    Was just thinking and posting the same !


  • #986
    iamwhoiam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,265 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    You mean group 4. Given group 3 is underway and they are only getting the mRNA vaccines, group 4 are next

    The people I know are admin staff , working in offices fir the HSE . No patient contact ever in any form
    Group 4 are “ other healthcare workers “
    These are admin not healthcare workers


  • #987
    [Deleted User]
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    iamwhoiam wrote: »
    The people I know are admin staff , working in offices fir the HSE . No patient contact ever in any form

    How would the health system work with zero admin?


  • #988
    ACitizenErased
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,787 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    iamwhoiam wrote: »
    The people I know are admin staff , working in offices fir the HSE . No patient contact ever in any form
    group 4 is "Other HCWs not in direct patient contact"

    And anyone who works for the HSE is a healthcare worker, by the way


  • #989
    iamwhoiam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,265 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    How would the health system work with zero admin?

    It wouldn’t of course but surely they are not considered healthcare workers ?
    In offices far away from any contact with the public ?


  • #990
    iamwhoiam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,265 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    group 4 is "Other HCWs not in direct patient contact"

    And anyone who works for the HSE is a healthcare worker, by the way

    Ok . Seems very un fair to me so


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  • #991
    ACitizenErased
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,787 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    iamwhoiam wrote: »
    Ok . Seems very un fair to me so
    In what way?
    Why would they not vaccinate some of the HSE?


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