Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VIII Read OP For Mod Warnings

Kermit.de.frog · 19-02-2021 09:36PM

Lundstram wrote: »

There’s no end in sight, we are being played like fools.

Lockdowns do not work, how the fcuk are 800-1000 people still getting infected every day during a level 5 lockdown? You know how? Because they’ve stopped adhering to these nonsense restrictions.

Fascinating. You're almost getting it.

I feel with just an extra push we can pull you over the line to understanding what happens when people adhere to the restrictions as the logical end point of your argument.

19-02-2021 09:38PM

acequion wrote: »

And I agree the high numbers suit the lockdown merchants. But it's daily torture for the rest of us.

Really is a bizarre echo chamber here

amandstu · 19-02-2021 09:42PM

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muddypuppy wrote: »

According to the rules you're not allowed to meet any other household, even if they live 50 meters from you. It doesn't matter if outdoor or indoor.
The 5k limit is only for individual exercise.
I see online plenty of people not realizing how draconian the measures are.

(The only exception is if you are in one of the categories that can form a bubble and form it with them. Then you can meet them however you want, indoor or outdoor, even if they're in the other side of the country).

It's not hard to check: https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/2dc71-level-5/#social-and-family-gatherings

It says there in your link:
"
People may meet people from one other household in outdoor settings when taking exercise"

I think you are wrong therefore.

Is there a misunderstanding on your part or mine?

pjohnson · 19-02-2021 09:44PM

acequion wrote: »

Strong words Lundstram and your frustration is very palpable. And very sincere which is refreshing when there are loads of posters who are basically trolling, annoying other posters for the hell of it and quite obviously enjoying this horrendous chapter in our lives.

I can't disagree with anything you say and I 100% agree with your criticism of MM in an earlier post. Most likely the worst leader we've ever been saddled with and that's saying something.

But the Left? We don't have a Left, we have an extreme Left who I'd trust as far as I'd throw. They're all for this shyt show to continue as unfortunately they represent the many wasters, allergic to work, want everything for nothing brigade, in Irish society.

Politically we're badly fcuked. In fact we've never been more fcuked.

Why dont you and Lundstram start up the party to save us so? So many times on this site people complain but do nothing to change, just like complaining.

No left AND no right is new however.

Kiith · 19-02-2021 09:48PM

The government can get ****ed if they think i'm staying in lvl5 lockdown for another 9 weeks. Complete and utter bollox.

Kermit.de.frog · 19-02-2021 09:53PM

Kiith wrote: »

The government can get ****ed if they think i'm staying in lvl5 lockdown for another 9 weeks. Complete and utter bollox.

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000 · 19-02-2021 09:59PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Dr Nick Riveria and Doc McStuffins?

Laugh and sneer all you want. This is what doctors are saying and I'm more inclined to believe them than some lad on the internet who thinks he's got a PHd in immunology because he watches the six o clock news on RTE every day.

19-02-2021 10:05PM

amandstu wrote: »

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It says there in your link:
"
People may meet people from one other household in outdoor settings when taking exercise"

I think you are wrong therefore.

Is there a misunderstanding on your part or mine?

You were asking about socialising, which is out. Specifically meeting to exercise is another thing.

19-02-2021 10:09PM

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000 wrote: »

Laugh and sneer all you want. This is what doctors are saying and I'm more inclined to believe them than some lad on the internet who thinks he's got a PHd in immunology because he watches the six o clock news on RTE every day.

There is an obscure site you can use to check what you hear is in fact true, or plain nonsense

https://www.google.ie/

amandstu · 19-02-2021 10:15PM

Deleted User wrote: »

You were asking about socialising, which is out. Specifically meeting to exercise is another thing.

You can meet people from another household for exercise.Walking is exercise.(and advised as such)

So you can meet someone from another household to take a walk together.

You are allowed to engage in conversation as you go along surely....???

When I said socializing,that was all I meant.(meeting someone, socially distanced)

19-02-2021 10:22PM

amandstu wrote: »

You can meet people from another household for exercise.Walking is exercise.(and advised as such)

So you can meet someone from another household to take a walk together.

You are allowed to engage in conversation as you go along surely....???

When I said socializing,that was all I meant.(meeting someone, socially distanced)

If your intention is to exercise, the government will allow you to leave your home and meet with someone from one other household, yes. I think it's within your 5km. So draw a 5km radius around your house and your friend's, and where they overlap is the current extent of your liberty. As long as you're exercising. And nobody from another household that you know happens to see you and come over. If that happens just swear at them until they go away. To save lives.

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000 · 19-02-2021 10:22PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

There is an obscure site you can use to check what you hear is in fact true, or plain nonsense

https://www.google.ie/

So what are you saying?

I'm telling you that you are more dangerous to unvaccinated people when you have received the jab because you're less likely to show symptoms therefore thinking you're ok and passing it on.

It's like I've just told you the earth is flat or aliens are real.

Kiith · 19-02-2021 10:24PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Too right. Look at those clouds, flouting the 5km restrictions. One rule for them, another for us!

end of the road · 19-02-2021 10:27PM

walus wrote: »

If we consider that out of 195 countries the lockdown strategy worked only in roughly 2, it takes no statistician to tell how good of a strategy it is. However it may take a team of a psychiatrists to tell us why Ireland still continues to go down this path. Pure madness.

you already know why ireland and most countries are continuing with necessary public health measures.
the experts have already told us why they are necessary.

amandstu · 19-02-2021 10:28PM

Deleted User wrote: »

And nobody from another household that you know happens to see you and come over. If that happens just swear at them until they go away. To save lives.

I am not anticipating aggravation from other members of the public.I am just happy to be confirmed in my tentative assessment that my intended meeting is within the present guidelines.

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000 · 19-02-2021 10:35PM

end of the road wrote: »

you already know why ireland and most countries are continuing with necessary public health measures.
the experts have already told us why they are necessary.

Maybe it's time we asked our "experts" to kindly go away because it's not working.

Captain_Crash · 19-02-2021 10:35PM

end of the road wrote: »

the experts have already told us why they are necessary.

If out of about 195 countries these measures only demonstrably worked in two of them, can those who say they are necessary really be considered experts??

There is the added caveat of the naughty boy of Europe not doing anything close to what we've done and not having any considerable difference in outcome! Except economically, they’ve faired much better on that front!

Silentcorner · 19-02-2021 10:39PM

Captain_Crash wrote: »

If out of about 195 countries these measures only demonstrably worked in two of them, can those who say they are necessary really be considered experts??

There is the added caveat of the naughty boy of Europe not doing anything close to what we've done and not having any considerable difference in outcome! Except economically, they’ve faired much better on that front!

It's the same as the US....where it is insanely political.

It's almost like lockdowns are the new religion, completely abandoning science and wrapping itself around a warped logic!!

User1998 · 19-02-2021 10:42PM

Really depressing read today I must say. How anyone could be pro level 5 at this stage is completely beyond me

Once the sun starts shining again I genuinely will not abide by any of the restrictions. Barbecues in my mates houses, outdoor sessions, take a drive to the beach, get a nice fish and chips and sit out on the grass. Climb some mountains or something

Regardless of the restrictions, better times are coming for us all

Beasty · 19-02-2021 10:44PM

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000 wrote: »

Ive been told by two separate doctors. Because you don't show symptoms it's easier to pass it on. It's fairly simple.

So it's hearsay

It's also not what the vaccine companies have been claiming

Captain_Crash · 19-02-2021 10:46PM

Beasty wrote: »

So it's hearsay

It's also not what the vaccine companies have been claiming

I actually get what he’s saying! Studies are showing that it’s likely there is minimal if any “shedding” but it’s not conclusive yet, so I understand why doctors would be having a cautious approach to how someone may act after receiving it!

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000 · 19-02-2021 10:47PM

User1998 wrote: »

Really depressing read today I must say. How anyone could be pro level 5 at this stage is completely beyond me

Once the sun starts shining again I genuinely will not abide by any of the restrictions. Barbecues in my mates houses, outdoor sessions, take a drive to the beach, get a nice fish and chips and sit out on the grass. Climb some mountains or something

Regardless of the restrictions, better times are coming for us all

Same. Been vaccinated a few weeks now and it's fairly clear the "we're all in this together" thing is a nonsense. When I see politicians floating ideas to fly to america for Paddy's day and gardai dancing up mountains, on beaches and wherever they want I say fūck em. When the sun starts shining I'll do what I want.

end of the road · 19-02-2021 10:52PM

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000 wrote: »

Maybe it's time we asked our "experts" to kindly go away because it's not working.

it's working alright, cases are slowly coming down.
and if the anti-facts brigade abided by everything they would go down quicker and we would be out of lock down quicker.
yeah, telling the experts to go away because the facts don't suit someones alternative facts agenda isn't going to happen.

Silentcorner · 19-02-2021 10:57PM

end of the road wrote: »

it's working alright, cases are slowly coming down.
and if the anti-facts brigade abided by everything they would go down quicker and we would be out of lock down quicker.
yeah, telling the experts to go away because the facts don't suit someones alternative facts agenda isn't going to happen.

Anti facts!!! Ha ha haaaaa

Lads, next up, lets all never drive again, we will save lives, we will destroy our economy but people are more important...its just the science people!!!!

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000 · 19-02-2021 11:03PM

end of the road wrote: »

it's working alright, cases are slowly coming down.
and if the anti-facts brigade abided by everything they would go down quicker and we would be out of lock down quicker.
yeah, telling the experts to go away because the facts don't suit someones alternative facts agenda isn't going to happen.

Ah come off it. The absolute carnage lockdowns have done to the country. The effects of lockdown for a year (or more) are FAR FAR FAR more than this virus would have ever done.

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000 · 19-02-2021 11:04PM

Beasty wrote: »

So it's hearsay

It's also not what the vaccine companies have been claiming

Oh boy. Yeah believe what pharmaceutical companies say... It's not like there's anything in it for them.

Beasty · 19-02-2021 11:07PM

Captain_Crash wrote: »

I actually get what he’s saying! Studies are showing that it’s likely there is minimal if any “shedding” but it’s not conclusive yet, so I understand why doctors would be having a cautious approach to how someone may act after receiving it!

AZ are claiming a 2/3rds reduction

It's not something they can drum up without evidence, as the whole world will witness it if they are shown to be wrong

end of the road · 19-02-2021 11:14PM

Silentcorner wrote: »

Anti facts!!! Ha ha haaaaa

Lads, next up, lets all never drive again, we will save lives, we will destroy our economy but people are more important...its just the science people!!!!

yeah, that argument is just as much of an invalid and failed argument as every other time it has been tried.
it, is, not, going, to, work.

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000 wrote: »

Ah come off it. The absolute carnage lockdowns have done to the country. The effects of lockdown for a year (or more) are FAR FAR FAR more than this virus would have ever done.

lock downs have done no carnage to the country.
they have caused some effects, which are unfortunate but were unavoidable and were always going to happen, accept on a worse scale if we had not implemented public health and damage limitation measures.
either way, it was the least worst option.
the virus would have collapsed the country had it not been controlled, then we would all be in the you know what.

MadYaker · 19-02-2021 11:15PM

I wonder is there a plan if cases don't go below say 400 or 500 a day. Maybe if the hospitals aren't getting busy at the same time 400 or 500 a day won't be a problem?

Captain_Crash · 19-02-2021 11:17PM

Beasty wrote: »

AZ are claiming a 2/3rds reduction

It's not something they can drum up without evidence, as the whole world will witness it if they are shown to be wrong

Oh I get what your saying and I have no reason to doubt the effectiveness of the vaccine myself, but I can understand why a doctor would urge caution! (again, I’m sure it works perfectly)

Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VIII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VIII Read OP For Mod Warnings