Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VIII Read OP For Mod Warnings

Goldengirl · 19-02-2021 08:11PM

CruelSummer wrote: »

Having been critical of Dr Holohan and NPHET’s approach to Covid, on a personal level it must have been very hard to know a loved one was so unwell while dealing with this pandemic. RIP to his wife and hope he takes the time needed with his family for now.

Agree .
However I suspect he will take some time , and then return to see this pandemic out .

gozunda · 19-02-2021 08:11PM

MOH wrote: »

How ironic :rolleyes:
If you spent less time trying to backseat mod people are more time actually reading your own and other people's posts, you might have a better grasp on the discussion. I was using exactly that colloquial definition of the term. Cases don't decrease "more and more rapidly". Exactly the opposite: the rate of decrease slows - they decrease less and less rapidly over time. As they did in April. And October. As is "bloody obvious" from the graph of cases over time which I actually went to the trouble of including in my previous post.You're talking absolutely nonsense.

Oh miaow. Nope nothing Ironic in that at all. Simply a rejoinder to a comment from another poster who tried that lark. Interesting you quoted mine but not the original...My apologias if that offends you...

As regards my reply to you. I would suggest you're the only one back seat "moding" with regard to telling others they are wrong and only you are correct.

But yes after last years peak in April - ' the rate of decrease was fairly rapid and yes it did "slow". That goes without fuking saying!

Not so much "You're talking absolutely nonsense" rather desperately trying to appear if your previous comment made any sense whatsoever. It still doesn't

Aph2016 · 19-02-2021 08:12PM

Lundstram wrote: »

Funny how the few hardcore posters against lockdowns were derided and laughed at 6 months ago on here. We were a minority and a bunch of lefty weirdos.

Now, without a shadow of a doubt, the majority of the population want these restrictions eased. There’s no end in sight, we are being played like fools.

Lockdowns do not work, how the fcuk are 800-1000 people still getting infected every day during a level 5 lockdown? You know how? Because they’ve stopped adhering to these nonsense restrictions.

The messaging from our ‘leaders’ is downright insulting and degrading. The lack of respect shown towards young people and those unemployed is a national disgrace.

I’m shaking with anger here reading some Tweets from journalists about the behaviour of government.

MM will go down in history as the worst leader to ever hold office. He is spineless and gutless.

The tide has turned and I for one am delighted.

MM is a coward, and the majority of the politicians holding office at the moment are pathetic. They are so out of touch with reality.

19-02-2021 08:15PM

Lundstram wrote: »

Funny how the few hardcore posters against lockdowns were derided and laughed at 6 months ago on here. We were a minority and a bunch of lefty weirdos.

Now, without a shadow of a doubt, the majority of the population want these restrictions eased. There’s no end in sight, we are being played like fools.

Lockdowns do not work, how the fcuk are 800-1000 people still getting infected every day during a level 5 lockdown? You know how? Because they’ve stopped adhering to these nonsense restrictions.

The messaging from our ‘leaders’ is downright insulting and degrading. The lack of respect shown towards young people and those unemployed is a national disgrace.

I’m shaking with anger here reading some Tweets from journalists about the behaviour of government.

MM will go down in history as the worst leader to ever hold office. He is spineless and gutless.

The tide has turned and I for one am delighted.

Lefty?

TimeToShine · 19-02-2021 08:23PM

Beasty wrote: »

What's your source for this claim?

It does make sense to be fair, vaccination does not prevent you from catching something, it just ensures that you developed the antibodies needed to tackle the infection properly if and when you do catch it, and as a result not to develop symptoms that could lead to a spread like coughing and sneezing.

None of the studies being done are looking to see if Covid is transmissible after vaccination, they are all looking at the impact on symptoms so finding a source would be difficult.

Boggles · 19-02-2021 08:23PM

Lundstram wrote: »

Funny how the few hardcore posters against lockdowns were derided and laughed at 6 months ago on here. We were a minority and a bunch of lefty weirdos.

Nope, don't ever remember anyone calling you "lefty".

Elmer Blooker · 19-02-2021 08:24PM

Goldengirl wrote: »

Jeez whi is comparing flu with Covid still ??!

So if covid isn't the flu then what kind of virus is it?
I'm fascinated how a vaccine can be developed 'in record time' for a novel virus that so little is known about.

TimeToShine · 19-02-2021 08:27PM

Lundstram wrote: »

Funny how the few hardcore posters against lockdowns were derided and laughed at 6 months ago on here. We were a minority and a bunch of lefty weirdos.

Now, without a shadow of a doubt, the majority of the population want these restrictions eased. There’s no end in sight, we are being played like fools.

Lockdowns do not work, how the fcuk are 800-1000 people still getting infected every day during a level 5 lockdown? You know how? Because they’ve stopped adhering to these nonsense restrictions.

The messaging from our ‘leaders’ is downright insulting and degrading. The lack of respect shown towards young people and those unemployed is a national disgrace.

I’m shaking with anger here reading some Tweets from journalists about the behaviour of government.

MM will go down in history as the worst leader to ever hold office. He is spineless and gutless.

The tide has turned and I for one am delighted.

What I can't understand is who in their right mind is still getting tested? Those who are out and about flouting the rules are the ones catching Covid, that's fine with me but are they then naive enough to go and get tested afterwards? It leaves us in this ridiculous limbo where the lockdown merchants can point to rising cases and those of us who want to get back to living have no rebuttal, forcing us to flout the rules and then potentially get tested "just to be safe".

gozunda · 19-02-2021 08:28PM

Lundstram wrote: »

Funny how the few hardcore posters against lockdowns were derided and laughed at 6 months ago on here. We were a minority and a bunch of lefty weirdos.

Now, without a shadow of a doubt, the majority of the population want these restrictions eased. There’s no end in sight, we are being played like fools.

Lockdowns do not work, how the fcuk are 800-1000 people still getting infected every day during a level 5 lockdown? You know how? Because they’ve stopped adhering to these nonsense restrictions.

The messaging from our ‘leaders’ is downright insulting and degrading. The lack of respect shown towards young people and those unemployed is a national disgrace.

I’m shaking with anger here reading some Tweets from journalists about the behaviour of government.

MM will go down in history as the worst leader to ever hold office. He is spineless and gutless.

The tide has turned and I for one am delighted.

I don't think I'd refer to as 'lefty' from that comment tbf.

That said the above two highlighted bits seem to be in direct conflict with each other.

On one hand we have level 5 restrictions but according to yourself the "majority of the population is not observing them". But the same people want the restrictions eased. How's that work? If they are not observing them - then they're not letting the same restrictions bother them no?

I also have to ask if "800-1000 people (are) still getting infected every day during a level 5 lockdown"- what would the rate of infection be with no restrictions whatsoever?

What do suggest? Just get rid of all restrictions and just let it rip?

Boggles · 19-02-2021 08:29PM

TimeToShine wrote: »

None of the studies being done are looking to see if Covid is transmissible after vaccination,

The studies for that started last year.

They are actively monitoring close contacts of vaccinated health care staff in England and households in Israel.

TimeToShine · 19-02-2021 08:30PM

Boggles wrote: »

The studies for that started last year.

They are actively monitoring close contacts of vaccinated health care staff in England.

Agreed but they are not controlled studies though, more of an analysis of events after the fact. Obviously useful but not something you can publish a peer reviewed piece of work on.

19-02-2021 08:31PM

TimeToShine wrote: »

It does make sense to be fair, vaccination does not prevent you from catching something, it just ensures that you developed the antibodies needed to tackle the infection properly if and when you do catch it, and as a result not to develop symptoms that could lead to a spread like coughing and sneezing.

None of the studies being done are looking to see if Covid is transmissible after vaccination, they are all looking at the impact on symptoms so finding a source would be difficult.

The evidence is growing that it also reduces transmission. Viral load also plays a role so symptomatic > pre symptomatic > asymptomatic. It was always likely transmission would be reduced with the vaccine. Evidence was needed before it could be claimed

walus · 19-02-2021 08:37PM

Lundstram wrote: »

Funny how the few hardcore posters against lockdowns were derided and laughed at 6 months ago on here. We were a minority and a bunch of lefty weirdos.

Now, without a shadow of a doubt, the majority of the population want these restrictions eased. There’s no end in sight, we are being played like fools.

Lockdowns do not work, how the fcuk are 800-1000 people still getting infected every day during a level 5 lockdown? You know how? Because they’ve stopped adhering to these nonsense restrictions.

The messaging from our ‘leaders’ is downright insulting and degrading. The lack of respect shown towards young people and those unemployed is a national disgrace.

I’m shaking with anger here reading some Tweets from journalists about the behaviour of government.

MM will go down in history as the worst leader to ever hold office. He is spineless and gutless.

The tide has turned and I for one am delighted.

If we consider that out of 195 countries the lockdown strategy worked only in roughly 2, it takes no statistician to tell how good of a strategy it is. However it may take a team of a psychiatrists to tell us why Ireland still continues to go down this path. Pure madness.

19-02-2021 08:40PM

Elmer Blooker wrote: »

So if covid isn't the flu then what kind of virus is it?
I'm fascinated how a vaccine can be developed 'in record time' for a novel virus that so little is known about.

The virus is SARS-CoV2. The second Sudden Acute Respiratory coronavirus. The first was more deadly but died out as turned out to be less transmissible. A lot of work went into developing a vaccine for SARS however ran out of subjects to test on. MERS, a similar and even more deadly coronavirus came along. Further vaccine development ensued, however once again they ran out of cases. So when the latest Coronavirus came along they knew what to do to develop it rapidly. Then it was just a matter of testing.

Also, there are multiple coronavirus vaccines in animals.

19-02-2021 08:43PM

TimeToShine wrote: »

What I can't understand is who in their right mind is still getting tested? Those who are out and about flouting the rules are the ones catching Covid, that's fine with me but are they then naive enough to go and get tested afterwards? It leaves us in this ridiculous limbo where the lockdown merchants can point to rising cases and those of us who want to get back to living have no rebuttal, forcing us to flout the rules and then potentially get tested "just to be safe".

There have been some bizarre suggestions, then sometimes something comes along that leaves you speechless

CruelSummer · 19-02-2021 08:46PM

TimeToShine wrote: »

Agreed but they are not controlled studies though, more of an analysis of events after the fact. Obviously useful but not something you can publish a peer reviewed piece of work on.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-israel-vaccine/israeli-studies-find-pfizer-covid-19-vaccine-reduces-transmission-idUSKBN2AJ08D

This was released today via Reuters. Very good news if true.

19-02-2021 08:52PM

growleaves wrote: »

Cop on would you.

He is speaking from experience. Are you going to ask him if his story is peer reviewed?

The science-worship waffle that comes from IT workers and low level bureaucrats is half the problem.

Most of these people haven't been near a laboratory since they did Junior Cert Biology but they think if they throw out enough tech-speak it appears authoritative.

I'm neither am it worker or a low level bureaucrat.
His experience was 2 people's experiences.

CalamariFritti · 19-02-2021 08:58PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Lefty?

Sure why not. You can be anti restriction and think they're all fools and surprisingly not fit in with the media peddled stereotype of the antivax alt-right Trump supporter.

When this all started to shape up politically I was genuinely amazed the left didnt take the anti restriction stance. And I mean the actual left not the twitter virtue signallers that people mistake for the left.

19-02-2021 09:04PM

CalamariFritti wrote: »

Sure why not. You can be anti restriction and think they're all fools and surprisingly not fit in with the media peddled stereotype of the antivax alt-right Trump supporter.

When this all started to shape up politically I was genuinely amazed the left didnt take the anti restriction stance. And I mean the actual left not the twitter virtue signallers that people mistake for the left.

Populist is the word your looking for. The belief in easy solutions to complex problems. It can be left or right, but is usually based on a simplistic version of reality sold on the promise of easy answers. It exits on the opposite side of the debate also

BTownB · 19-02-2021 09:05PM

CalamariFritti wrote: »

Sure why not. You can be anti restriction and think they're all fools and surprisingly not fit in with the media peddled stereotype of the antivax alt-right Trump supporter.

When this all started to shape up politically I was genuinely amazed the left didnt take the anti restriction stance. And I mean the actual left not the twitter virtue signallers that people mistake for the left.

Yes. Studies consistently showing inequality is rising due to lockdowns. The left are supporting measures that help the work from homers, sitting on their savings, while those in disadvantaged communities are suffering and it affects so many areas of life (education, mental health, green spaces etc). It's madness. It goes against everything they 'stand for'.

I am left leaning but struggling to see who I can vote for next time.

CalamariFritti · 19-02-2021 09:11PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Populist is the word your looking for. The belief in easy solutions to complex problems. It can be left or right, but is usually based on a simplistic version of reality sold on the promise of easy answers. It exits on the opposite side of the debate also

I think trying to put people and opinions into boxes and drawers is a prime example for 'easy answers', wouldnt you agree?

Typically done so one does not have to engage with what is actually being said. If one finds a box for it then it can just be dismissed. Happened since day one with corona.

Windmill100000 · 19-02-2021 09:11PM

Lundstram wrote: »

Funny how the few hardcore posters against lockdowns were derided and laughed at 6 months ago on here. We were a minority and a bunch of lefty weirdos.

Now, without a shadow of a doubt, the majority of the population want these restrictions eased. There’s no end in sight, we are being played like fools.

Lockdowns do not work, how the fcuk are 800-1000 people still getting infected every day during a level 5 lockdown? You know how? Because they’ve stopped adhering to these nonsense restrictions.

The messaging from our ‘leaders’ is downright insulting and degrading. The lack of respect shown towards young people and those unemployed is a national disgrace.

I’m shaking with anger here reading some Tweets from journalists about the behaviour of government.

MM will go down in history as the worst leader to ever hold office. He is spineless and gutless.

The tide has turned and I for one am delighted.

I'm glad we locked down after Christmas. 100% Dread to think the state we would be in now if we hadn't.

I don't see anything changing in the short term because people are fed up. As time went on more people were going to get fed up, it's not rocket science. Going forward I think we will see a gradual reduction of restrictions. I think when that starts people will adhere to it.

CalamariFritti · 19-02-2021 09:15PM

BTownB wrote: »

Yes. Studies consistently showing inequality is rising due to lockdowns. The left are supporting measures that help the work from homers, sitting on their savings, while those in disadvantaged communities are suffering and it affects so many areas of life (education, mental health, green spaces etc). It's madness. It goes against everything they 'stand for'.

I am left leaning but struggling to see who I can vote for next time.

Sadly there is no left in Ireland in my opinion. Labour has long since sold out and are just a caricature of themselves and now meaningless. SF I dont know what they are. They used to say they're marxist but there is a weird nationalist undertone to them that I dont quite get (not Irish myself). And the others are mostly single issue fringe groups that I'm struggling to take seriously. Especially when you look at their leaders. I see my version of left in some independents, thats about it.

ceadaoin. · 19-02-2021 09:17PM

BTownB wrote: »

Yes. Studies consistently showing inequality is rising due to lockdowns. The left are supporting measures that help the work from homers, sitting on their savings, while those in disadvantaged communities are suffering and it affects so many areas of life (education, mental health, green spaces etc). It's madness. It goes against everything they 'stand for'.

It's not so much happening anymore as things are getting back to normal (more or less) in the US now, but seeing people all over reddit parrot the "stay the **** home" line honestly made me sick. They can stay home, still work and pay less well off people to bring them their uber eats and do their shopping for them with instacart. If they really thought going out was so dangerous they were happy to see those people risk their lives so that they could pat themselves on the back for staying home? Them staying "safe" and saving humanity (in their minds) was only possible off the backs of those less fortunate. That's the western pandemic response in a nutshell. Maybe the disparities in Ireland aren't quite so stark but at the end of the day it's the poor who will suffer the most worldwide because of restrictions.

Lundstram · 19-02-2021 09:19PM

My lefty comment was in regards to the shinners, that bunch of cowards sums up the gumption of people who hold public office in Ireland. They coward away once this virus hit these shores despite a great election campaign. Mary Lou disappeared off the face of the earth, we couldn’t get her off radio and TV before that. Houdini would’ve been proud of that.

PR stunts like announcing you’re rejecting a €10k pay rise is all they’re any good for. Won’t put food on the tables of on any of the 25% who are unemployed right now. Clap fcuking clap!

I hated the shinners before but now I hate them even more. Cowards.

They say they speak for the little guy and the youth, they do in their fcuk. Spineless.

The core of their no.1 voters were people 18-30, the very age group who have been hung out to dry during this. The shinners don’t give a fcuk about them now. Not a word to fight for their cause.

To me the left signals change and standing up to the gombeen politics, it’s a matter of opinion I suppose. We all have our notions of what the left represents.

Our government have failed us, the opposition have failed us even more. No questions, no representing their electorate and no balls.

Cowards. All bluster and no substance. Just like what I thought of them pre March 2020.

Worrying thing is these idiots will win the next election.

Goldengirl · 19-02-2021 09:22PM

Elmer Blooker wrote: »

So if covid isn't the flu then what kind of virus is it?
I'm fascinated how a vaccine can be developed 'in record time' for a novel virus that so little is known about.

Flu is from a group called orthomyxoviridiae viruses.

Covid is from the same family of viruses as cold viruses and that gave us SARS and MERS and the vaccines that were initially being prepared for these diseases, gave the companies a leg up in the production of these new vaccines, among other things like massive world wide funding and a real interest in finding a cure for obvious reasons .

If you want to know more there is information on the HSE.ie website , and the main thread and Vaccine threads are more informative.
Or just Google Fluu vs Covid...

acequion · 19-02-2021 09:27PM

TimeToShine wrote: »

What I can't understand is who in their right mind is still getting tested? Those who are out and about flouting the rules are the ones catching Covid, that's fine with me but are they then naive enough to go and get tested afterwards? It leaves us in this ridiculous limbo where the lockdown merchants can point to rising cases and those of us who want to get back to living have no rebuttal, forcing us to flout the rules and then potentially get tested "just to be safe".

That's actually a great point! While there are undoubtedly loads flouting rules and courting danger, are they really then heading off to their GP, getting the test and going through the whole rigmarole of Covid protocol? You'd think not, especially if they're not bothering to respect rules in the first place. And I'm in no way judging them because the rules are OTT and young people always have the understandable drive to live.

So where are all these daily cases coming from? And I agree the high numbers suit the lockdown merchants. But it's daily torture for the rest of us.

Goldengirl · 19-02-2021 09:30PM

TimeToShine wrote: »

Agreed but they are not controlled studies though, more of an analysis of events after the fact. Obviously useful but not something you can publish a peer reviewed piece of work on.

Israel are doing controlled studies which are testing antibody response after first and second doses . Transmissability has been tested in the lab but can only be done in the real world after the fact !
UK were in the news only this week for commencing first study to test responses in participants who are vaccinated and then infected on purpose .
This is readily available on every news channel, and newspaper if want to you read or watch it.

Real Donald Trump · 19-02-2021 09:31PM

https://twitter.com/DrAdamAneevit/status/1362850488857882626

Drifter50 · 19-02-2021 09:32PM

Grueller Baby wrote: »

I know this means nothing from a stranger on the internet but keep your chin up. This is not your fault and brighter days will come.

Thanks for that, Im in a dark place and appreciate comments like this, it helps

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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VIII Read OP For Mod Warnings