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COVID-19: Vaccine and testing procedures Megathread Part 3 - Read OP

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,629 ✭✭✭MerlinSouthDub


    Where do Carer’s fall in the list? Not employed carers but family members that have had to take on the role?

    My case - 40 something with no medical conditions caring for 83 yr old whose housebound with numerous medical conditions.

    Just wondering why you feel family carers should get any higher priority than others? I can't see how they are at higher risk and the person they are caring for will already have been vaccinated. Parents of school or university age kids would be at significantly higher risk than a family carer, for example.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,341 ✭✭✭dan786


    For anyone that registered on the HSE portal, they are calling using a mobile number so keep an eye out. I got a call along with 15 others that work with me for a vaccine in Loughlinstown hospital this weekend.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,264 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    Vaccine reduces virus transmission by between 75 and 90%:
    Pfizer vaccine greatly reduces Covid transmission, Israeli studies find
    Pfizer’s Covid-19 vaccine greatly reduces virus transmission, two Israeli studies have found, shedding light on one of the biggest questions of the global effort to quash the pandemic.

    Reuters reports:

    Data analysis in a study by the Israeli Health Ministry and Pfizer Inc found the Pfizer vaccine developed with Germany’s BioNTech reduces infection, including in asymptomatic cases, by 89.4% and in syptomatic cases by 93.7%.

    Findings of the pre-published study, not yet peer-reviewed, but based on a national database that is one of the world’s most advanced, were first reported by the Israeli news site Ynet late on Thursday and were obtained by Reuters on Friday.

    Pfizer declined to comment and the Israeli Health Ministry did not respond to a request for comment.

    A separate study by Israel’s Sheba Medical Center published on Friday in The Lancet medical journal found that among 7,214 hospital staff who received their first dose in January, there was an 85% reduction in symptomatic Covid-19 within 15 to 28 days with an overall reduction of infections, including asymptomatic cases detected by testing, of 75%.

    More research is needed to draw a definitive conclusion, but the studies are among the first to suggest a vaccine may stop the spread of the novel coronavirus and not just prevent people getting ill.

    Michal Linial, a professor of molecular biology and bioinformatics at Jerusalem’s Hebrew University, said the findings were a big step towards answering one of the most important questions in combating the pandemic.

    “Whether it is 75 or 90 percent reduction doesn’t matter - it is a big drop in transmission,” Linial said. “It means that not only is the individual vaccinated protected, the inoculation also provides protection to his or her surroundings.”


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,581 ✭✭✭JTMan


    BioNTech/Pfizer Covid vaccine no longer needs ultra-cold storage. Shot can be kept at normal medical freezer temperatures of minus 15C to minus 25C for up to two weeks, compared with the previous required storage conditions of between minus 60C and minus 80C. 

    More from the FT here (paywall).


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,207 ✭✭✭✭Stark


    Says there than Moderna can be kept in a fridge for 30 days. That should make the logistics there much easier as well (distribute through normal pharmacy/GP route). If we ever get another shipment of Moderna :pac:


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,787 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    JTMan wrote: »
    BioNTech/Pfizer Covid vaccine no longer needs ultra-cold storage. Shot can be kept at normal medical freezer temperatures of minus 15C to minus 25C for up to two weeks, compared with the previous required storage conditions of between minus 60C and minus 80C.

    More from the FT here (paywall).
    That's fantastic


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,153 ✭✭✭dominatinMC


    Water John wrote: »
    Vaccine reduces virus transmission by between 75 and 90%:
    Pfizer vaccine greatly reduces Covid transmission, Israeli studies find
    Pfizer’s Covid-19 vaccine greatly reduces virus transmission, two Israeli studies have found, shedding light on one of the biggest questions of the global effort to quash the pandemic.

    Reuters reports:

    Data analysis in a study by the Israeli Health Ministry and Pfizer Inc found the Pfizer vaccine developed with Germany’s BioNTech reduces infection, including in asymptomatic cases, by 89.4% and in syptomatic cases by 93.7%.

    Findings of the pre-published study, not yet peer-reviewed, but based on a national database that is one of the world’s most advanced, were first reported by the Israeli news site Ynet late on Thursday and were obtained by Reuters on Friday.

    Pfizer declined to comment and the Israeli Health Ministry did not respond to a request for comment.

    A separate study by Israel’s Sheba Medical Center published on Friday in The Lancet medical journal found that among 7,214 hospital staff who received their first dose in January, there was an 85% reduction in symptomatic Covid-19 within 15 to 28 days with an overall reduction of infections, including asymptomatic cases detected by testing, of 75%.

    More research is needed to draw a definitive conclusion, but the studies are among the first to suggest a vaccine may stop the spread of the novel coronavirus and not just prevent people getting ill.

    Michal Linial, a professor of molecular biology and bioinformatics at Jerusalem’s Hebrew University, said the findings were a big step towards answering one of the most important questions in combating the pandemic.

    “Whether it is 75 or 90 percent reduction doesn’t matter - it is a big drop in transmission,” Linial said. “It means that not only is the individual vaccinated protected, the inoculation also provides protection to his or her surroundings.”
    Savage news going into the weekend!


    Now queue some poster "but, but, but variants" in 3...2...1...:pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,787 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    "AstraZeneca has confirmed 100% protection against severe disease, hospitalization and death in their primary analysis of Phase III trials more than 22 days after the first dose. The trials were done in the UK, Brazil AND South Africa."
    https://twitter.com/sailorrooscout/status/1362529400592474113?s=20


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    The more I read about the situation in Africa the more I wonder if our vaccination plan is the right one. I don't know. I'm still on the fence.

    Worth a read though imo
    https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2021/02/unprotected-african-health-workers-die-rich-countries-buy-covid-19-vaccines


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,787 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    Turtwig wrote: »
    The more I read about the situation in Africa the more I wonder if our vaccination plan is the right one. I don't know. I'm still on the fence.

    Worth a read though imo
    https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2021/02/unprotected-african-health-workers-die-rich-countries-buy-covid-19-vaccines
    We're seeing massive amounts of deaths. Europe reported nearly 4000 deaths yesterday, Africa had 500.

    There's a stage where places have to be prioritized due to risk.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,013 ✭✭✭Van.Bosch


    That's fantastic

    It really is good news after good news with the Pfizer/Biontech vaccine.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    We're seeing massive amounts of deaths. Europe reported nearly 4000 deaths yesterday, Africa had 500.

    There's a stage where places have to be prioritized due to risk.

    In the time I posted this. There's no way you could have read the entire article. The point is that countries with weaker health systems are losing medical professionals with expertise that is not easily replaced. That has very significant consequences.

    Covids impact shouldn't be measured by deaths alone.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,027 ✭✭✭lbj666


    "AstraZeneca has confirmed 100% protection against severe disease, hospitalization and death in their primary analysis of Phase III trials more than 22 days after the first dose. The trials were done in the UK, Brazil AND South Africa."
    https://twitter.com/sailorrooscout/status/1362529400592474113?s=20

    Can someone please show this to the Germans and the healthcare unions.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,787 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    Turtwig wrote: »
    In the time I posted this. There's no way you could have read the entire article. The point is that countries with weaker health systems are losing medical professionals with expertise that is not easily replaced. That has very significant consequences.

    Covids impact shouldn't be measured by deaths alone.
    I don't need to read it in full, it's the same reasons posted everywhere.

    Europe has been affected multiple times more than Africa. It's a fact. 7 times more deaths, 10 times more cases. If Africa was most affected it would be prioritised. It's not.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,899 ✭✭✭Apogee


    JTMan wrote: »
    BioNTech/Pfizer Covid vaccine no longer needs ultra-cold storage. Shot can be kept at normal medical freezer temperatures of minus 15C to minus 25C for up to two weeks, compared with the previous required storage conditions of between minus 60C and minus 80C.

    More from the FT here (paywall).

    Pfizer press release:
    Pfizer wrote:
    Pfizer Inc. (NYSE: PFE) and BioNTech SE (Nasdaq: BNTX) today announced the submission of new data to the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) demonstrating the stability of their COVID-19 vaccine when stored at -25°C to-15°C (-13°F to 5°F), temperatures more commonly found in pharmaceutical freezers and refrigerators.

    The data have been submitted to the FDA to support a proposed update to the U.S. Emergency Use Authorization (EUA) Prescribing Information, which would allow for vaccine vials to be stored at these temperatures for a total of two weeks as an alternative or complement to storage in an ultra-low temperature freezer.

    The FDA submission includes stability data generated on batches manufactured over the past nine months of COVID-19 vaccine development, from the batches that supplied the earliest clinical trials through the commercial scale batches currently in production. These data also will be submitted to global regulatory agencies within the next few weeks.

    “We have been continuously performing stability studies to support the production of the vaccine at commercial scale, with the goal of making the vaccine as accessible as possible for healthcare providers and people across the U.S. and around the world,” said Albert Bourla, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer, Pfizer. “We appreciate our ongoing collaboration with the FDA and CDC as we work to ensure our vaccine can be shipped and stored under increasingly flexible conditions. If approved, this new storage option would offer pharmacies and vaccination centers greater flexibility in how they manage their vaccine supply.”

    “Our top priority was to quickly develop a safe and effective vaccine and make it available to the most vulnerable people in the world in order to save lives. At the same time, we have continuously collected data that could enable storage at around -20°C. The data submitted may facilitate the handling of our vaccine in pharmacies and provide vaccination centers an even greater flexibility,” said Ugur Sahin, CEO and Co-founder of BioNTech. “We will continue to leverage our expertise to develop potential new formulations that could make our vaccine even easier to transport and use.”

    Currently, the labels for the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine, including the EUA label in the U.S., state that the vaccine must be stored in an ultra-cold freezer at temperatures between -80ºC and -60ºC (-112ºF to ‑76ºF). It can remain stored at these temperatures for up to 6 months.

    The vaccines are shipped in a specially-designed thermal container that can be used as temporary storage for a total of up to 30 days by refilling with dry ice every five days. Before mixing with a saline diluent, the vaccine may also be refrigerated for up to five days at standard refrigerator temperature, between 2⁰C and 8⁰C (36⁰F and 46⁰F). If approved, the option to store at -25°C to -15°C (-13°F to 5°F) for two weeks would be in addition to this five-day option to store at standard refrigerator temperature.

    The vaccine is administered at room temperature by medical staff.As additional stability data are obtained, Pfizer and BioNTech anticipate the shelf life and/or expiration date could be extended, and alternate short-term temperature storage may be considered.

    The vaccine, which is based on BioNTech proprietary mRNA technology, was developed by both BioNTech and Pfizer. BioNTech is the Marketing Authorization Holder in the European Union, and the holder of emergency use authorizations or equivalent in the United States, United Kingdom, Canada and other countries in advance of a planned application for full marketing authorizations in these countries.

    https://www.pfizer.com/news/press-release/press-release-detail/pfizer-and-biontech-submit-covid-19-vaccine-stability-data


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,062 ✭✭✭✭titan18


    Turtwig wrote: »
    In the time I posted this. There's no way you could have read the entire article. The point is that countries with weaker health systems are losing medical professionals with expertise that is not easily replaced. That has very significant consequences.

    Covids impact shouldn't be measured by deaths alone.

    How much overseas aid comes from the richer countries to poorer? Considering tax take is through the floor in a lot of the richer countries cos of covid, strong argument that more of them will die if we can't get our economies going again to provide that aid.

    32 EU countries, many of them smaller, have had more deaths than Zimbabwe (country in that article), so why should we not prioritise ourselves when it's having a larger effect here


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,787 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    titan18 wrote: »
    How much overseas aid comes from the richer countries to poorer? Considering tax take is through the floor in a lot of the richer countries cos of covid, strong argument that more of them will die if we can't get our economies going again to provide that aid.

    32 EU countries, many of them smaller, have had more deaths than Zimbabwe (country in that article), so why should we not prioritise ourselves when it's having a larger effect here
    Annoys me even more when places like South Africa (who actually are struggling) refuse to take the AZ vaccine.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,062 ✭✭✭✭titan18


    Annoys me even more when places like South Africa (who actually are struggling) refuse to take the AZ vaccine.

    Yup, and that's the cheapest one that poorer countries will likely get more of.

    COVAX is funded by the richer countries so we get it first, get our economies going again so we can continue to provide aid to the poorer ones.

    There's no money to buy vaccines for them if we can't get our economies going.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,443 ✭✭✭brickster69


    lbj666 wrote: »
    Can someone please show this to the Germans and the healthcare unions.

    You won't find them. They are all hiding in basements petrified. :rolleyes:

    "if you get on the wrong train, get off at the nearest station, the longer it takes you to get off, the more expensive the return trip will be."



  • Posts: 12,836 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Quite surprised the idea of pushing out second shots of Pfizer doesn't seem to have been mentioned at all in Ireland?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,105 ✭✭✭✭Gael23


    Is the updated rollout plan available yet?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,382 ✭✭✭✭greendom


    Was at my GP practice yesterday - pretty big one in the area and they still hadn't received their covid vaccine. Sorry I'm late to this thread but is it true that Covid will only be delivered with standard vaccinations and this means every 2 weeks. It all seems a little laid back, especially when you compare it to the frenzied (and effective) approach in the UK


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,787 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    greendom wrote: »
    Was at my GP practice yesterday - pretty big one in the area and they still hadn't received their covid vaccine. Sorry I'm late to this thread but is it true that Covid will only be delivered with standard vaccinations and this means every 2 weeks. It all seems a little laid back, especially when you compare it to the frenzied (and effective) approach in the UK
    Vaccines are distributed as they become available. Supply is terrible, hence it's slow.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    greendom wrote: »
    Was at my GP practice yesterday - pretty big one in the area and they still hadn't received their covid vaccine. Sorry I'm late to this thread but is it true that Covid will only be delivered with standard vaccinations and this means every 2 weeks. It all seems a little laid back, especially when you compare it to the frenzied (and effective) approach in the UK
    As above and this week is a test run with very small number of GPs involved so many wouldn't have got any anyway.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,382 ✭✭✭✭greendom


    is_that_so wrote: »
    As above and this week is a test run with very small number of GPs involved so many wouldn't have got any anyway.

    This one was expecting a batch.

    Are there plans to supercharge delivery when supply becomes more plentiful, or will they continue to use the established supply chain? Is there an infrastructure being put in place to allow for mass vaccinations?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,105 ✭✭✭✭Gael23


    When they say it cuts transmission by that much does that mean an unvaccinated person is at less risk of catching it from someone who is vaccinated?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,593 ✭✭✭XsApollo


    Gael23 wrote: »
    When they say it cuts transmission by that much does that mean an unvaccinated person is at less risk of catching it from someone who is vaccinated?

    Nope, it means it’s much more likely that they will catch it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,105 ✭✭✭✭Gael23


    XsApollo wrote: »
    Nope, it means it’s much more likely that they will catch it.

    Is there some sarcasm here? Not making sense to me


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    greendom wrote: »
    This one was expecting a batch.

    Are there plans to supercharge delivery when supply becomes more plentiful, or will they continue to use the established supply chain? Is there an infrastructure being put in place to allow for mass vaccinations?
    Yes all of that is being sorted out now for probably April time. We'll be up to 101,000 next week so they may or may not get supplies depending how many second shots need to be done.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,202 ✭✭✭✭hmmm


    Turtwig wrote: »
    The more I read about the situation in Africa the more I wonder if our vaccination plan is the right one. I don't know. I'm still on the fence.
    I think it was Macron yesterday who suggested we immediately give 5% of our vaccine supply to poorer countries.

    I fully agree. Aside from any moral arguments, these countries have far fewer healthcare staff to start with and it is in our interest to suppress infection levels in other countries and reduce the chance of new variants emerging.

    The moral argument is strong too.


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