When will it all end?

mcsean2163 · 19-02-2021 09:19AM

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Where did anyone say when it would end? They extended the date, but nobody said that’s when it would end. It means it definitely wouldn’t end before that date in March, but that’s not the same as saying it would end on that data in March.

You can’t make up your own interpretation and be sad when your version doesn’t happen in real life.

Lockdown level 5 was extended until march 5th. That implies an end of l5 or reassessment at least on or before March 5th It appears they are now extending the extension.

The way I looked at it is that a match has gone into extra time and the referee has now extended the extra time.

El_Duderino 09 · 19-02-2021 09:21AM

francogarbanzo wrote: »

What kind of doublespeak is this? A time extension is when you push out the end date.

Oh, man, it isn’t.

It wasn’t an end date. It was just a date that they can definitely go to and they always said it was subject to review. It was more like a minimum date (but it wasn’t a hard minimum date either)

Do yourself a favour and don’t take a date like that to be the end date. If they say “schools will all resume on x date”. That’s a date. Saying restrictions are in until March and we’ll review it in the meantime, doesn’t mean restrictions will end in March. It means they’re subject to review.

It’s really important to read what’s actually said.

Samsonsmasher · 19-02-2021 09:26AM

Micky 32 wrote: »

If the vaccines work and yield the results as hoped in the coming months restrictions will begin to ease. It doesn’t matter what they are saying today things can change as the vaccination program continues.

Come September and if the population are vaccinated we won’t be locked up if sickness and deaths are down.

There will still be cases and deaths and there will be new variants so they will still say it is too early to open up and they will insist on masks distancing and restrictions

https://www.thejournal.ie/readme/vaccine-certificates-5358684-Feb2021/

"My support has nothing to do with restricting the rights of Irish people to go about their business in Ireland. The Irish Council for Civil Liberties has rightly raised the red flag about such a certificate being used to restrict access to services or facilities in Ireland. It cannot and should not be used to force anyone to get vaccinated if they chose not to.

Late last year, Qantas, the Australian airline, announced that only vaccinated people would be able to book seats on their planes. That leaves us with a dilemma. If Irish people want to fly to Australia using that airline then they need a way of proving they have been vaccinated."

This isn't a tinfoil hat lunatic saying this.
This is Billy Kelleher MEP!

The implications are clear.
You will not be able to socialize work travel and use many services or exercise your freedoms as you normally did unless you are vaccinated even though the virus kills 0.03% of the population.

But of course you are free not to take it.

LOL

El_Duderino 09 · 19-02-2021 09:27AM

mcsean2163 wrote: »

Lockdown level 5 was extended until march 5th. That implies an end of l5 or reassessment at least on or before March 5th It appears they are now extending the extension.

The way I looked at it is that a match has gone into extra time and the referee has now extended the extra time.

Match analogy aside, the dates were always subject to review. They were more like minimums than maximums.

Did you not read the part where they said the dates were subject to review? If you did read it, what did “subject to review” imply?

mcsean2163 · 19-02-2021 09:31AM

Fwiw, we have 3rd strictest government restrictions in the world.

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/covid-stringency-index?tab=table&stackMode=absolute&time=2020-01-22..latest&region=World

But we do not have the third highest case numbers per capita. I don't know what it means but our policy seems to be UK + more restrictions.

It's so different now when Tony and Leo kept everything open with the goal of timing the shutdown to not swamp hospitals. Remember Cheltenham etc

I don't want to be ghoulish but I just can't understand what we are doing in the face of a disease that has an average age of death greater than life expectancy.

The worst thing by far is the inhumanity of not allowing people to be near those dying and the funeral restrictions.

That's it, I'm writing to TDs. To me at least this is nuts

Samsonsmasher · 19-02-2021 09:34AM

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Match analogy aside, the dates were always subject to review. They were more like minimums than maximums.

Did you not read the part where they said the dates were subject to review? If you did read it, what did “subject to review” imply?

Originally it was three weeks to flatten the curve. 12 months on we are no closer to getting out of this.

There are only two possibilities.

1. This was the plan all along and an evil plot is afoot to destroy the world as we know it.

2. Our leaders are utterly incompetent and are making this up as they go along with no clue how we get out of this and are only interested in clinging to power whatever the cost.

It believe option 2 is the reality.

Nobody thinking person can take this pandemic seriously anymore.

Each one of us must ask themselves right now:

"What are you prepared to do?"

19-02-2021 09:35AM

mcsean2163 wrote: »

Fwiw, we have 3rd strictest government restrictions in the world.

I don't want to be ghoulish but I just can't understand what we are doing in the face of a disease that has an average age of death greater than life expectancy.

What's worse is that Ireland has hardly suppressed the virus compared to other countries which have had far looser restrictions.

There is no reason why we can't, like much of the rest of Europe, open up to some extent whilst maintaining reasonable precautions.

The virus isn't more lethal to Irish people.

Seymour20 · 19-02-2021 09:36AM

Samsonsmasher wrote: »

Originally it was three weeks to flatten the curve. 12 months on we are no closer to getting out of this.

There are only two possibilities.

1. This was the plan all along and an evil plot is afoot to destroy the world as we know it.

2. Our leaders are utterly incompetent and are making this up as they go along with no clue how we get out of this and are only interested in clinging to power whatever the cost.

Nobody thinking person can take this pandemic seriously anymore.

Each one of us must ask themselves right now:

"What are you prepared to do?"

Think there’s a fair few more possibilities than that now to be fair.

Multipass · 19-02-2021 09:38AM

Samsonsmasher wrote: »

Originally it was three weeks to flatten the curve. 12 months on we are no closer to getting out of this.

There are only two possibilities.

1. This was the plan all along and an evil plot is afoot to destroy the world as we know it.

2. Our leaders are utterly incompetent and are making this up as they go along with no clue how we get out of this and are only interested in clinging to power whatever the cost.

Nobody thinking person can take this pandemic seriously anymore.

Each one of us must ask themselves right now:

"What are you prepared to do?"

No 2 which is no surprise, we’ve always known that. I’m willing to take to the streets once the elderly are vaccinated. Problem is that they’re too incompetent to get that done in a timely manner.

Sanjuro · 19-02-2021 09:38AM

mcsean2163 wrote: »

Fwiw, we have 3rd strictest government restrictions in the world.

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/covid-stringency-index?tab=table&stackMode=absolute&time=2020-01-22..latest&region=World

But we do not have the third highest case numbers per capita. I don't know what it means but our policy seems to be UK + more restrictions.

It's so different now when Tony and Leo kept everything open with the goal of timing the shutdown to not swamp hospitals. Remember Cheltenham etc

I don't want to be ghoulish but I just can't understand what we are doing in the face of a disease that has an average age of death greater than life expectancy.

The worst thing by far is the inhumanity of not allowing people to be near those dying and the funeral restrictions.

That's it, I'm writing to TDs. To me at least this is nuts

We have the third strictest restrictions in the world because it's an easy solution for a government with no ideas, no creativity, no clue what they're doing. Just lock everyone down and hide under some coats until it sorts itself out. They had no plans for hospitals. They had no plans for education. They are absolutely clueless.

mcsean2163 · 19-02-2021 09:40AM

Samsonsmasher wrote: »

Originally it was three weeks to flatten the curve. 12 months on we are no closer to getting out of this.

There are only two possibilities.

1. This was the plan all along and an evil plot is afoot to destroy the world as we know it.

2. Our leaders are utterly incompetent and are making this up as they go along with no clue how we get out of this and are only interested in clinging to power whatever the cost.

It believe option 2 is the reality.

Nobody thinking person can take this pandemic seriously anymore.

Each one of us must ask themselves right now:

"What are you prepared to do?"

Third possibility, they are scared after the Christmas debacle. They lost a lot of political capital by going against nphet.

We're in a league of our own with Eritrea, Honduras and Cuba. I certainly don't see it as a conspiracy

Samsonsmasher · 19-02-2021 09:43AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

What's worse is that Ireland has hardly suppressed the virus compared to other countries which have had far looser restrictions.

There is no reason why we can't, like much of the rest of Europe, open up to some extent whilst maintaining reasonable precautions.

The virus isn't more lethal to Irish people.

Unfortunately your reasonable argument is not listened to in wider society and is certainly not getting a hearing in the corridors of power or in the media.

Why?

The fact is the elite in this country like elsewhere has fastened onto the notion that the state controls the climate and controls viruses and like the Soviets did can control human nature.

They have forgotten that government is reactive limited in power dependent on the economy for its revenue and on the support of the people.

The facade is now crumbling before our eyes.

People must step back and recognise the limits of state power accept the sl8ngs and arrows of outrageous fortune or else double down on futile totalitarian control or face every greater disaster as the economy fails society disintegrates and extremism and anarchy and violence look likely to boil over.

El_Duderino 09 · 19-02-2021 09:44AM

Samsonsmasher wrote: »

Originally it was three weeks to flatten the curve. 12 months on we are no closer to getting out of this.

There are only two possibilities.

1. This was the plan all along and an evil plot is afoot to destroy the world as we know it.

2. Our leaders are utterly incompetent and are making this up as they go along with no clue how we get out of this and are only interested in clinging to power whatever the cost.

It believe option 2 is the reality.

Nobody thinking person can take this pandemic seriously anymore.

Each one of us must ask themselves right now:

"What are you prepared to do?"

No option 3? The option to read what they actually said which is that the lockdowns were subject to review when more info was available?

What are you prepared to do, Spartacus? I mean, Samson?

Parachutes · 19-02-2021 09:49AM

Give me liberty, or give me death!

Unless there's a virus with a 99.9% survival rate, in this case you should:

1.Strip me of my job
2.Strip me of my freedom
3.Strip me of my constitutional rights
4.Put me under house arrest

mcsean2163 · 19-02-2021 09:55AM

Just looked up government website.

https://www.gov.ie/en/press-release/e2374-extension-of-level-5-restrictions-and-introduction-of-measures-for-international-travel/

It's still march 5th? Who's the joker here?

We're well below some other countries, maybe restrictions will be raised? Schools allowed to open?

El_Duderino 09 · 19-02-2021 09:59AM

mcsean2163 wrote: »

Just looked up government website.

https://www.gov.ie/en/press-release/e2374-extension-of-level-5-restrictions-and-introduction-of-measures-for-international-travel/

It's still march 5th? Who's the joker here?

We're well below some other countries, maybe restrictions will be raised? Schools allowed to open?

Where does it say when it will end? I see them saying they have provision to implement the restrictions until March, nothing says they can’t or won’t extend the restrictions. Nothing says they guarantee reopening in March.

It’s important to read what they do and don’t actually say.

Don’t consider yourself a joker. Most people don’t need to read government statements until a crisis like this. those statements are very carefully crafted. They’re not supposed to be sloppily reinterpreted.

19-02-2021 10:22AM

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Where does it say when it will end? I see them saying they have provision to implement the restrictions until March, nothing says they can’t or won’t extend the restrictions. Nothing says they guarantee reopening in March.

It’s important to read what they do and don’t actually say.

Don’t consider yourself a joker. Most people don’t need to read government statements until a crisis like this. those statements are very carefully crafted. They’re not supposed to be sloppily reinterpreted.

Hahahahaha you think our government's messaging has been carefully crafted?

We find out on twitter several days before any message is 'crafted'. Its a ****ing mess, denying that is just masochistic.

uli84 · 19-02-2021 10:23AM

bubblypop wrote: »

So everyone would be happy if we open up next week with a curfew from 7pm to 7am?

Id be delighted not just happy

Ginger n Lemon · 19-02-2021 10:28AM

It stops when you want it to stop.

Honestly if your life, mood and enjoyment depends on what comes out of M Martin & Leo you are in for 1 sad life. Time to move on.

As to their silly announcements? I Would look towards UK > NI, as last time I checked when NI went into lockdown immediately on same day our great leader announced - you guessed it - going into level 5. Co incidence :pac:

mcsean2163 · 19-02-2021 10:31AM

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Where does it say when it will end? I see them saying they have provision to implement the restrictions until March, nothing says they can’t or won’t extend the restrictions. Nothing says they guarantee reopening in March.

It’s important to read what they do and don’t actually say.

Don’t consider yourself a joker. Most people don’t need to read government statements until a crisis like this. those statements are very carefully crafted. They’re not supposed to be sloppily reinterpreted.

Someone here said that the lockdown is to be extended by 9 weeks. As it stands that is rumour and nothing has been officially announced. For all we know, non essential sex shops could be allowed to reopen. We could be level 4.5 after March 5th...

Ginger n Lemon · 19-02-2021 10:31AM

Lundstram wrote: »

Yeah, let's punish the majority of drinkers who enjoy a few drinks at the weekend after a long week at work because of a few teenagers having house parties. :rolleyes:

There's some people who won't be happy until everyone in the country is sitting at home 24/7 staring at a blank wall drinking water and eating bread until our embarrassment of a government ease restrictions.

Truly embarrassing.

Ginger n Lemon · 19-02-2021 10:37AM

mcsean2163 wrote: »

Someone here said that the lockdown is to be extended by 9 weeks. As it stands that is rumour and nothing has been officially announced. For all we know, non essential sex shops could be allowed to reopen. We could be level 4.5 after March 5th...

Unfortunate IT picked it up

No further easing of restrictions, beyond the phased return of schools from early March, are likely to be announced by Government next week after the State’s public health team warned of a plateau in the fight against Covid-19.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/covid-19-tight-restrictions-to-remain-until-may-as-case-numbers-plateau-1.4489030

I honestly hope thats wrong. I mean we ll have 1-2 m vaccinated by end of March, how in gods name can level 5 restrictions remain until May??

tons of peer reviewed scientific studies show not only 94%+ effectiveness of vaccines but also that 1 jab is enough to reduce transmissions by 2 thirds. imagine 2 jabs..... start re opening the country by mid March like...

SheepsClothing · 19-02-2021 10:40AM

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

Unfortunate IT picked it up

No further easing of restrictions, beyond the phased return of schools from early March, are likely to be announced by Government next week after the State’s public health team warned of a plateau in the fight against Covid-19.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/covid-19-tight-restrictions-to-remain-until-may-as-case-numbers-plateau-1.4489030

I honestly hope thats wrong. I mean we ll have 1-2 m vaccinated by end of March, how in gods name can level 5 restrictions remain until May??

tons of peer reviewed scientific studies show not only 94%+ effectiveness of vaccines but also that 1 jab is enough to reduce transmissions by 2 thirds. imagine 2 jabs..... start re opening the country by mid March like...

Where are you getting 1 - 2 million from? That is almost certainly wrong.

Ginger n Lemon · 19-02-2021 10:40AM

The National Public Health Emergency Team (Nphet) was “very, very cautious in their presentation” to the committee, according to sources, which said the phased reopening of schools was “about the limit of what they can support”.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/covid-19-tight-restrictions-to-remain-until-may-as-case-numbers-plateau-1.4489030

Experts on 6 digit salary with guaranteed pensions and secure jobs say that schools re opening is just about the limit of what they can recommend.

The more this absolute nonsense uncovers, like we have fkin vaccines now we have vaccinated probably 200k + people elderly over 90s healthcare workers already now. And what does that give ? Maybe we could phase out re open some schools. absolute shambles. Fuming.

Ginger n Lemon · 19-02-2021 10:43AM

SheepsClothing wrote: »

Where are you getting 1 - 2 million from? That is almost certainly wrong.

they ve planned to vaccinate 1.2m by end of March. Thats before johnson and johnson vaccine approval and swift distribution

Point being March will be the 3rd month in level 5 lockdown. It will also be 3 months of vaccinating people. results? well level 5 until May. Absolute shambles

El_Duderino 09 · 19-02-2021 10:56AM

AdamD wrote: »

Hahahahaha you think our government's messaging has been carefully crafted?

We find out on twitter several days before any message is 'crafted'. Its a ****ing mess, denying that is just masochistic.

I don’t think you know what masochistic means.

But, yes. Those statements are crafted. If they don’t say “the end date for x restriction is y date. On y date z things can reopen” then they didn’t say it. And that statement didn’t say anything would end on 5 March. They said they would run until 5 March. Likewise, I plan to live until 20 February. I plan to live long after 20feb, but certain until then.

Can you see the difference between what the government statement actually said and “restrictions will end on 5 March”? Serious question. No shame in not being able to see the difference. I’m just asking if you can see the difference.

El_Duderino 09 · 19-02-2021 11:00AM

mcsean2163 wrote: »

Someone here said that the lockdown is to be extended by 9 weeks. As it stands that is rumour and nothing has been officially announced. For all we know, non essential sex shops could be allowed to reopen. We could be level 4.5 after March 5th...

Yeah. No end date has been announced yet. We don’t know. I think saying “I don’t know” makes a lot of people very uncomfortable. But the truth is we don’t know yet.

No point setting arbitrary dates and getting cross when government doesn’t conform to our imaginary deadline.

francogarbanzo · 19-02-2021 11:01AM

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

they ve planned to vaccinate 1.2m by end of March. Thats before johnson and johnson vaccine approval and swift distribution

Point being March will be the 3rd month in level 5 lockdown. It will also be 3 months of vaccinating people. results? well level 5 until May. Absolute shambles

Sixth month of Level 5 lockdown, with a short break of a couple weeks at Christmas.

Ginger n Lemon · 19-02-2021 11:02AM

How does this happen??

https://www.majorcadailybulletin.com/news/local/2021/02/18/79477/provinces-easing-lockdown-spain.html

The Balearic government will come under even greater pressure to re-open bars as from today in Madrid bars and restaurants will be allowed to stay open until 11p.m.

Like what in the actual fcuk? I Hope that nonsense about level 5 to May is very wrong

19-02-2021 11:05AM

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

I don’t think you know what masochistic means.

But, yes. Those statements are crafted. If they don’t say “the end date for x restriction is y date. On y date z things can reopen” then they didn’t say it. And that statement didn’t say anything would end on 5 March. They said they would run until 5 March. Likewise, I plan to live until 20 February. I plan to live long after 20feb, but certain until then.

Can you see the difference between what the government statement actually said and “restrictions will end on 5 March”? Serious question. No shame in not being able to see the difference. I’m just asking if you can see the difference.

I can see the difference you condescending ****. I've never once claimed they said restrictions would end on a certain day.

When will it all end?

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