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Covid 19 Part XXXII-215,743 ROI (4,137 deaths)111,166 NI (2,036 deaths)(22/02)Read OP

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  • #7682
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 3,270 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    it they were that bad, ICU's would be in the 1000's. If you tell them it's that bad, they will present and demand a test and require treatment. It's called panic.
    If they were all turning up gasping hand on chest, we'd be in big big trouble.
    You know more people die of heart attacks in winter than in summer??? you know in America 10% of people are senior citizens? and yet they take up 50% of the beds??? in hospitals?? so introduce a pneumonia into that setting and see how you get on!!! they all have multiple issue that can contribute to death at that age and certainly one that can tip them over.

    I'm not being an arsehole I'm just saying....9 ****ing weeks!!!


  • #7683
    Ficheall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,039 ✭✭✭Ficheall


    robbiezero wrote: »
    Government and NPHET are like a blind man making his way through a bog.
    Just fumbling and feeling their way through and falling in a hole at every step.
    If you're fumbling and feeling your way along, are you not likely to miss the bogholes, even if the going is slow? Surely the people who decide to hell with it and decide to just run for it are more likely to fall in the holes?


  • #7684
    Atlantic Dawn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,403 ✭✭✭✭Atlantic Dawn
    GDY151


    runawaybishop wrote: »
    You think that's somehow relevant? Oh they had health issues already, **** em.


    The complete opposite, they need to be shielded and at the top of any vaccination list which is exactly what I said in my earlier post around over 50's and those 16-50 with underlying conditions needing vaccination before opening up.


  • #7685
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 3,270 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Atlantic Dawn wrote: »
    The complete opposite, they need to be shielded and at the top of any vaccination list which is exactly what I said in my earlier post around over 50's and those 16-50 with underlying conditions needing vaccination before opening up.

    not even shielded, Luke O'Neill said all vaccines promote 100% efficacy for sickness and hospitalization.. ERGO, flatten the curve in the most vulnerable groups and all the rest self isolate to reduce but not illiminate the spread... is that not what we need?? no more hospitalizations?? or is it all now, ZERO COVID!!!


  • #7686
    wakka12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    https://gis.cdc.gov/grasp/covidnet/COVID19_3.html

    Interesting stat, 1.34% of the American population over 65 have been hospitalised with COVID since March. Put's it into perspective really and seems like a number that would hit quite close to home, probably a majority of Americans would have an elderly relative who has been in hospital with COVID this year. Probably will exceed 2% by the end of the pandemic.

    In UK, 2.2% of the 65-85 age group have been hospitalised with COVID since March.
    https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/healthcare?areaType=nhsregion&areaName=North%20West


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  • #7687
    Coybig_
    Closed Accounts Posts: 454 ✭✭Coybig_


    Wolf359f wrote: »
    Half the hospitalisation and ICU admissions are under 65 years old. So the let it rip mentality would soon see hospitals overrun and elective surgery stopped again.
    You can't use one metric alone to decide when to just open everything up.


    2019: https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/irish-hospitals-breaking-point-after-21172185


    2018: https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/nurses-say-2018-worst-year-ever-for-overcrowding-in-public-hospitals-1.3745522


    2017: https://www.newstalk.com/news/irish-hospitals-continue-to-face-record-overcrowding-526759


    2016: https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/hospitals-overwhelmed-by-overcrowding-admits-varadkar-1.2505516
    https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2016/1109/830371-university-hospital-galway/


    Find a different hymn sheet to sing from. We've heard the lyrics to that one for years.


  • #7688
    Turtwig
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    No medication or treatment is 100%. Vaccine or otherwise. That's just bullsh1t. Did O'Neill really say that?

    That's such an irresponsible statement if he did.


  • #7689
    [Deleted User]
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    wakka12 wrote: »
    https://gis.cdc.gov/grasp/covidnet/COVID19_3.html

    Interesting stat, 1.34% of the American population over 65 have been hospitalised with COVID since March. Put's it into perspective really and seems like a number that would hit quite close to home, probably a majority of Americans would have an elderly relative who has been in hospital with COVID this year. Probably will exceed 2% by the end of the pandemic.

    LIie I said, over 65's make up 50% of the beds in hospitals at any one tim , they most likely caught it in there yes??? like here?


  • #7690
    Bigfatmichael
    Closed Accounts Posts: 133 ✭✭Bigfatmichael


    8 out of 10 people had an underlying condition from this article.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/covid-19-majority-of-fatalities-had-underlying-conditions-1.4471443


  • #7691
    Ficheall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,039 ✭✭✭Ficheall


    Atlantic Dawn wrote: »
    The complete opposite, they need to be shielded and at the top of any vaccination list which is exactly what I said in my earlier post around over 50's and those 16-50 with underlying conditions needing vaccination before opening up.
    In the general population, it's about what, 25% of all people who have underlying conditions? Would make the rollout shorter but a lot more complex, I suspect, with some people unaware of their underlying conditions and others trying to convince their GP they have them to get the shot..


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  • #7692
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    Coybig_ wrote: »
    2019: https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/irish-hospitals-breaking-point-after-21172185


    2018: https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/nurses-say-2018-worst-year-ever-for-overcrowding-in-public-hospitals-1.3745522


    2017: https://www.newstalk.com/news/irish-hospitals-continue-to-face-record-overcrowding-526759


    2016: https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/hospitals-overwhelmed-by-overcrowding-admits-varadkar-1.2505516
    https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2016/1109/830371-university-hospital-galway/


    Find a different hymn sheet to sing from. We've heard the lyrics to that one for years.

    well done Brilliant.:)


  • #7693
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    Turtwig wrote: »
    No medication or treatment is 100%. Vaccine or otherwise. That's just bullsh1t. Did O'Neill really say that?

    That's such an irresponsible statement if he did.

    prime time this evening, get it online..

    America 2008... people are now living longer..

    https://www.uptodate.com/contents/hospital-management-of-older-adults


  • #7694
    spookwoman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,059 ✭✭✭✭spookwoman


    Coybig_ wrote: »
    2019: https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/irish-hospitals-breaking-point-after-21172185


    2018: https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/nurses-say-2018-worst-year-ever-for-overcrowding-in-public-hospitals-1.3745522


    2017: https://www.newstalk.com/news/irish-hospitals-continue-to-face-record-overcrowding-526759


    2016: https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/hospitals-overwhelmed-by-overcrowding-admits-varadkar-1.2505516
    https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2016/1109/830371-university-hospital-galway/


    Find a different hymn sheet to sing from. We've heard the lyrics to that one for years.

    Pretty sure they didn't shut down Out Patient Clinics back then.


  • #7695
    Wolf359f
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,542 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    Coybig_ wrote: »
    2019: https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/irish-hospitals-breaking-point-after-21172185


    2018: https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/nurses-say-2018-worst-year-ever-for-overcrowding-in-public-hospitals-1.3745522


    2017: https://www.newstalk.com/news/irish-hospitals-continue-to-face-record-overcrowding-526759


    2016: https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/hospitals-overwhelmed-by-overcrowding-admits-varadkar-1.2505516
    https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2016/1109/830371-university-hospital-galway/


    Find a different hymn sheet to sing from. We've heard the lyrics to that one for years.

    Wow linking to an article with the flu, trying to compare hospitals overwhelmed with covid to being overwhelmed with the flu. Do we still have people thinking covid is just the flu?


  • #7696
    Atlantic Dawn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,403 ✭✭✭✭Atlantic Dawn
    GDY151


    Ficheall wrote: »
    In the general population, it's about what, 25% of all people who have underlying conditions? Would make the rollout shorter but a lot more complex, I suspect, with some people unaware of their underlying conditions and others trying to convince their GP they have them to get the shot..


    Yes you will probably get an additional large number of people brought in to the vulnerable group from obesity and generally not looking after themselves as a result of the lockdowns.


  • #7697
    Lucas Hood
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,206 ✭✭✭Lucas Hood


    Turtwig wrote: »
    No medication or treatment is 100%. Vaccine or otherwise. That's just bullsh1t. Did O'Neill really say that?

    That's such an irresponsible statement if he did.

    He retweeted this today.
    Probably what he was talking about.

    "The varying “effectiveness” rates miss the most important point: The vaccines were all 100% effective in the vaccine trials in stopping hospitalizations and death. '

    https://amp.usatoday.com/amp/6709455002?__twitter_impression=true


  • #7698
    niallo27
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,138 ✭✭✭✭niallo27


    Wolf359f wrote: »
    Wow linking to an article with the flu, trying to compare hospitals overwhelmed with covid to being overwhelmed with the flu. Do we still have people thinking covid is just the flu?

    Oh will you stop with this bull****, it like the default argument here when they have nothing to come back with, oh you think it's just the flu and actually what difference does it make what hospitals were overwhelmed with, be it the flu or pineapples falling on your head,nobody gave a flying **** back then but now its the end of the world scenario.


  • #7699
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    Posts: 3,270 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Wolf359f wrote: »
    Wow linking to an article with the flu, trying to compare hospitals overwhelmed with covid to being overwhelmed with the flu. Do we still have people thinking covid is just the flu?

    no that old chestnut is wasted on you, dismissive and old to be honest, nobody thinks that. using that stick to beat folks with is a non sequitur to be fair..I think they're saying we are over run every year and giving examples of same. If you tell every man and woman in Ireland that a deadly disease has many many symptoms and then ask them to get tested.. guess what?? they'll be scared.. they'll turn up..and numbers will be high..what matters is deaths, and age and morbidity not overall mortality with same virus.

    Patients 85 years and older are less likely to be discharged to home and more likely to die in the hospital [3]. Hospitalizations and health care spending for older adults are expected to rise as the population continues to age.


  • #7700
    kittensmittens
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,074 ✭✭✭kittensmittens


    Wolf359f wrote: »
    Wow linking to an article with the flu, trying to compare hospitals overwhelmed with covid to being overwhelmed with the flu. Do we still have people thinking covid is just the flu?

    I think a more valid point rather than the usual "its not a flu" response would be to acknowledge the core of that post, which is to say that year upon year, our health service is a sh1t show and if, as a supposedly first world country, it is overwhelmed year after year after year WITHOUT Covid this should have been sorted years ago
    With a hundred and odd people in ICU in a country with a pop of 4.9 million and the whole nation is in crisis economically......big questions need to be asked of our "health service"


  • #7701
    Wolf359f
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,542 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    niallo27 wrote: »
    Oh will you stop with this bull****, it like the default argument here when they have nothing to come back with, oh you think it's just the flu and actually what difference does it make what hospitals were overwhelmed with, be it the flu or pineapples falling on your head,nobody gave a flying **** back then but now its the end of the world scenario.

    Because it's a novel coronavirus, more infectious than the flu, more deadly than the flu.
    Just because we have had patients on trollies year after year for various ailments (some infections others not) it means that we should be ok having hospitals overwhelmed with covid? Cancel outpatient appointments and elective surgery?

    A hospital can be overwhelmed due to budget cuts etc... But outpatient appointments and elective surgery still went on. What we have currently in out hospitals with covid is unprecedented. You're making out like Ireland is the only country in the world effected by covid. Counties with far better hospital resources are in much worse shape than us, that should tell you just how serious covid is on the health system.
    So yes, when someone says we had a few hospitals overwhelmed before in the past because of the flu, I take issue with that.


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  • #7702
    User1998
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,406 ✭✭✭User1998


    Loafing Oaf wrote: »
    How will non-compliance 'end' restrictions? People can visit each others houses I suppose but pubs, restaurants, cinemas etc. will stay closed as long as the government says so.

    If even 50% of businesses decided to open their doors tomorrow there would be nothing the government could do. It seems to be already happening across Europe but RTE won’t show us that


  • #7703
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    Turtwig wrote: »
    No medication or treatment is 100%. Vaccine or otherwise. That's just bullsh1t. Did O'Neill really say that?

    That's such an irresponsible statement if he did.

    He said they were 100% effective against severe disease and death and that's accurate. No one in the Moderna or AstraZeneca trials was hospitalised or died after their second dose. I think Pfizer had one severe case but they recovered.


  • #7704
    Turtwig
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    Atlantic Dawn wrote: »
    Yes you will probably get an additional large number of people brought in to the vulnerable group from obesity and generally not looking after themselves as a result of the lockdowns.

    Highly unlikely. Obesity may be a risk factor. However that correlation may be down to obesity being associated other comorbidities such as cardiovascular disease or diabetes. To become clinically vulnerable an individual who was previously in good shape with no underlying health conditions would have to develop something like heart failure in less than year. I doubt very many people would be that unlucky.


  • #7705
    h2005
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,403 ✭✭✭h2005


    User1998 wrote: »
    If even 50% of businesses decided to open their doors tomorrow there would be nothing the government could do. It seems to be already happening across Europe but RTE won’t show us that

    Where’s it happening? Genuine question, I haven’t heard of this.


  • #7706
    Turtwig
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    Hardyn wrote: »
    He said they were 100% effective against severe disease and death and that's accurate. No one in the Moderna or AstraZeneca trials was hospitalised or died after their second dose. I think Pfizer had one severe case but they recovered.

    That's accurate based on the scope of the trials. That doesn't mean you publicly state it. Certainly not in the manner he did it. Put this another way, would a vaccine manufacturer advertise their vaccine prevents severe illness 100%?

    No medicine of any kind works on the population level in that way. I get he was trying to reassure people if they had concerns about the lower efficacy. It's a very risky remark to make. A few high profile documented cases of severe illness in vaccinated people and he's in trouble.


  • #7707
    Arghus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,314 ✭✭✭✭Arghus


    niallo27 wrote: »
    Oh will you stop with this bull****, it like the default argument here when they have nothing to come back with, oh you think it's just the flu and actually what difference does it make what hospitals were overwhelmed with, be it the flu or pineapples falling on your head,nobody gave a flying **** back then but now its the end of the world scenario.

    The point he's making is that, yes, overcrowding - particularly in Winter - is a common feature of Irish hospitals, but that it doesn't follow to say there was overcrowding during year x or y so therefore overcrowding is nothing to get worried about in and of itself.

    Previous examples of overcrowding occurred when life carried on as normal. Even with level three restrictions for a period of three weeks over December it was extremely touch and go whether the hospital system would still function. We had to cancel rakes of procedures, appointments etc and we just about made it. If we had stayed at that level of spread in the community for even a week to two weeks longer than we did we would have been overwhelmed. Not just overcrowded like other years.

    The risk of a quickly overwhelmed health system posed by Covid relative to other common respiratory illnesses is many magnitudes greater- and that's even with restrictions - can you imagine what it would be like without?


  • #7708
    User1998
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,406 ✭✭✭User1998


    h2005 wrote: »
    Where’s it happening? Genuine question, I haven’t heard of this.

    Gyms in the uk, restaurants in Italy. Government had to give in and let them open. I’m not saying that its right or its the way out of all of this, but I’m just saying it is happening


  • #7709
    Arghus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,314 ✭✭✭✭Arghus


    User1998 wrote: »
    Gyms in the uk, restaurants in Italy. Government had to give in and let them open. I’m not saying that its right or its the way out of all of this, but I’m just saying it is happening

    Are gyms open in the UK?


  • #7710
    spookwoman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,059 ✭✭✭✭spookwoman


    User1998 wrote: »
    Gyms in the uk, restaurants in Italy. Government had to give in and let them open. I’m not saying that its right or its the way out of all of this, but I’m just saying it is happening

    Gyms are not open in the UK. Nothing to say they had to give in and let them open in Italy, there was places remaining open even when they were not supposed to but that doesn't mean the government gave in when they eased restricts for most parts of Italy.


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  • #7711
    User1998
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,406 ✭✭✭User1998


    My point was that even if 50% of businesses decided to open their doors tomorrow there would be very little the government could do


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