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Covid 19 Part XXXII-215,743 ROI (4,137 deaths)111,166 NI (2,036 deaths)(22/02)Read OP

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  • #7592
    I regurgitate the news
    Closed Accounts Posts: 140 ✭✭I regurgitate the news


    maebee wrote: »
    I agree. We have all "had enough". The problem is the virus hasn't "had enough".
    People not complying just spreads the virus. End of.

    We all want this nightmare to end. We have to comply. I'm sure that no government in the world wants to impose these horrendous restrictions on its peoples but they have no choice, imo.


    Will you get a grip.

    People not complying? With what? 6ft distance? Viruses can travel 25 to 30ft so that is bollox.
    Masks? The National Standards Authority has stated most masks used in Ireland are useless.

    What are you on about? No government wants to impose these conditions? How naive are you


  • #7593
    Arghus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,314 ✭✭✭✭Arghus


    CalamariFritti wrote: »
    After 4 months of level 5 (with a 3 week break that I didnt take) I'm beginning to get numbed. I feel terrible saying it but I'm not sure I'm far away from the point where I just dont care anymore.

    I know you're not alone in feeling that way. I don't feel particularly thrilled with life myself at the moment.

    But the way I look at it is - Really what other choice is there? We all - and it doesn't even have to be all of us - just say fck it and decide not to go along with restrictions? All that'll happen is we get a repeat of January again and we'll be right back to square one all over again.

    I'm sorry, but it's a fantasy, a fairytale, to think that widespread uncompliance is somehow going to improve the situation. It's a false choice that people think is actually possible because they are fed up and tired. It's alluring, but it's not realistic.

    Compliance until May or God knows when is a grim prospect, but it's either that or case numbers blowing up again, hospital numbers ballooning again, deaths ballooning, kids out of school for longer again, elective procedures cancelled again, vaccination programme delayed again and the circle of misery just continues and continues. Uncompliance is not going to make any of this go away and will, in fact, make it worse.


  • #7594
    daydorunrun
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 784 ✭✭✭daydorunrun


    Arghus wrote: »
    But the Catch 22 of the situation is if people don't comply then cases increase and restrictions just go on and on and on indefinitely. People here seem to totally to not take into account that less compliance and more mixing only prolongs the situation by increasing the incidence rate of the virus in the community. Some people on here are in total denial about reality. The situation won't be improved by more people picking the virus up.

    It’s not about the government trying to "give something back" - they tried that in December and look where we ended up.

    People were sick of restrictions then, but it made no difference, the virus still spread like crazy and we had to shut down all over again with even greater strictness.

    "Ah people need to stop complying" - I read that again and again. And what will that prove? All that will happen is more cases, hospitalisations and deaths and further delays to the vaccination programme and a ultimately longer and more damaging period of strict restrictions. It's totally counterproductive.

    Yep, you are right. But people can only take so much and I’m beyond twitching the curtain at partners or family that haven’t seen each other in ages meeting up. I hear people complaining about kids hanging around together- but Seriously how long do we expect them to hide away? It’s just not right. I just hope people can use their heads while doing so.

    In relation to your point on people saying we should stop complying I just think if people have symptoms, isolate and mind yourselves for 10 days rather than getting tested if you have mild symptoms. This stops the spread and lowers potential case numbers that are being used to keep restrictions levels high.

    “You tried your best and you failed miserably. The lesson is, never try.” Homer.



  • #7595
    iamwhoiam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,264 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    maebee wrote: »
    I agree. We have all "had enough". The problem is the virus hasn't "had enough".
    People not complying just spreads the virus. End of.

    We all want this nightmare to end. We have to comply. I'm sure that no government in the world wants to impose these horrendous restrictions on its peoples but they have no choice, imo.

    Click and collect could easily be opened without affecting the numbers
    Meeting family or friends in a garden at 2 metres wont either
    Allowing us past the restrictive 5 kms wont either . I am now restricted to packed parks instead of an empty beach


  • #7596
    Ted_YNWA
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 71,799 ✭✭✭✭Ted_YNWA


    manniot2 wrote: »
    No doubt an opinion poll soon saying 70% support lockdown until May. What a sick country.


    You are still threadbanned.
    Ten of Swords wrote: »
    Manniot2 do not post in this thread again


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  • #7597
    I regurgitate the news
    Closed Accounts Posts: 140 ✭✭I regurgitate the news


    Arghus wrote: »
    But the way I look at it is - Really what other choice is there? We all - and it doesn't even have to be all of us - just say fck it and decide not to go along with restrictions? All that'll happen is we get a repeat of January again and we'll be right back to square one all over again.


    I will be saying fcuk it and am encouraging all my friend and family to socialise and ignore this garbage.

    We only get one life and it is for living.

    I am not stopping driving my car because of road deaths and I am no longer adhering to nonsense because of a virus. I'll take my chances and anyone who doesn't want to should stay indoors until they get the vaccine.


  • #7598
    titan18
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,057 ✭✭✭✭titan18


    You also have to factor in that whilst we might be complying, there's a bunch who aren't and getting feck all punishment for it but we're all being collectively punished as a result. Those people are getting their mental breaks and more and the rest of suffer. So, why should we anymore is something that is fine to ask imo.


  • #7599
    Jim_Hodge
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,295 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    TonyMaloney wrote: »
    Maybe. But if compliance is dropping in any sort of meaningful way, it's among people who don't have smartphones.

    Those that do are being remarkably compliant.

    Tony, You lost me there. What do you mean about smartphones?


  • #7600
    Indestructable
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,380 ✭✭✭Indestructable


    Why is the Taoiseach giving interviews to the Mirror of all places, to be released at 10pm on a Thursday. I know he didn't say much, or anything really, all he is doing is fueling massive speculation.

    This ham fisted kite flying is annoying. People want some real clarity.


  • #7601
    robbiezero
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,840 ✭✭✭robbiezero


    Happydays2020 wrote: »
    I have no idea. Does not make sense.

    Government and NPHET are like a blind man making his way through a bog.
    Just fumbling and feeling their way through and falling in a hole at every step.

    Got it wrong at the start of the pandemic when they hadn't a clue what they were dealing with it (can't really fault them at that stage in fairness, no one knew)
    Got it wrong by locking down far too long during the summer unnecessarily, but also crucially, using up all their "Emergency" language on being "gravely concerned" at a handful of cases in that period which left no mechanism for them to communicate the urgency of the situation in the middle of December.

    Locked Down to Level 5 far too quickly in November.
    Opened up too much in December, ridiculous lack of restrictions on incoming visitors, and of course the customary atrocious communication.

    At this point, the blind man just sits down and decides to wait it out until someone comes to get him, i.e. the vaccinations for the Government and NPHET.


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  • #7602
    Arghus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,314 ✭✭✭✭Arghus


    I regurgitate the news wrote: »
    I will be saying fcuk it and am encouraging all my friend and family to socialise and ignore this garbage.

    We only get one life and it is for living.

    I am not stopping driving my car because of road deaths and I am no longer adhering to nonsense because of a virus. I'll take my chances and anyone who doesn't want to should stay indoors until they get the vaccine.

    Off with you so bro.

    But don't be complaining if it goes on and on and on.


  • #7603
    Stheno
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,685 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    titan18 wrote: »
    You also have to factor in that whilst we might be complying, there's a bunch who aren't and getting feck all punishment for it but we're all being collectively punished as a result. Those people are getting their mental breaks and more and the rest of suffer. So, why should we anymore is something that is fine to ask imo.

    Nah I'm not buying that argument

    Much and all as I can't stand these restrictions, the more compliance there is the sooner it ends tbh


  • #7604
    KrustyUCC
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,086 ✭✭✭KrustyUCC


    Arghus wrote: »
    But the Catch 22 of the situation is if people don't comply then cases increase and restrictions just go on and on and on indefinitely. People here seem to totally to not take into account that less compliance and more mixing only prolongs the situation by increasing the incidence rate of the virus in the community. Some people on here are in total denial about reality. The situation won't be improved by more people picking the virus up.

    It’s not about the government trying to "give something back" - they tried that in December and look where we ended up.

    People were sick of restrictions then, but it made no difference, the virus still spread like crazy and we had to shut down all over again with even greater strictness.

    "Ah people need to stop complying" - I read that again and again. And what will that prove? All that will happen is more cases, hospitalisations and deaths and further delays to the vaccination programme and a ultimately longer and more damaging period of strict restrictions. It's totally counterproductive.

    yes that's the catch 22 in this all

    You might keep people on board if there was an actual plan for reopening but there's not

    Ah sure we have a plan but no dates

    We have a plan but we won't tell you what's needed to ease restrictions

    That's no plan at all

    It's just stay at home, see nobody and here's another month extension again

    The government is asking too much of people but also giving people nothing to work towards really

    The messaging is all doom, gloom, pessimism

    Whilst there is always a chance you can catch covid anywhere people will begin to take calculated chance

    I keep referencing my friends who if they kept following the restrictions wouldn't see his partners from 20th December to say May Bank Holiday if the leaks from RTE is to be believed

    That's 135 days or 19 weeks and 2 days of not seeing each other

    Not going to have much of a relationship if you don't see each other for that length of time

    Instead they're going to meet up on the 5th of March which is the next date for the extension of restrictions

    I can't blame them

    Not seeing each other for 76 days or 10 weeks and 6 days is bad enough

    Especially with no end in sight


  • #7605
    jams100
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 868 ✭✭✭jams100


    manniot2 wrote: »
    No doubt an opinion poll soon saying 70% support lockdown until May. What a sick country.

    Yea, I don't know how its that high, whenever I've talked to my friends or anyone in work they say they are fed up and just want to (sensibly) get on with life.

    I imagine how they ask/phrase the question has something to do with it, For example if you point out the number of deaths in the previous question and then ask do you agree with "restrictions" in a survey where people are in a flow of clicking through questions your more likely to get an answer in one direction. I have gone through surveys like this before, the questions generally aren't specific enough either, some of the questions can be quite vague and would lead most people towards the safer answers

    Still, wouldn't totally explain how they are as high. Anyway, I'll be getting on with life sensibly from March on


  • #7606
    Turtwig
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    titan18 wrote: »
    You also have to factor in that whilst we might be complying, there's a bunch who aren't and getting feck all punishment for it but we're all being collectively punished as a result. Those people are getting their mental breaks and more and the rest of suffer. So, why should we anymore is something that is fine to ask imo.

    Yep the feeling of equity is really important. It's not one bit fair that the actions of a minority have quite possibly fcked over the quality of life of the majority for months. The question is whether the majority would support more punitive measures against those that were taking the piss and not respecting any of the measures to contain the virus.


  • #7607
    titan18
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,057 ✭✭✭✭titan18


    Stheno wrote: »
    Nah I'm not buying that argument

    Much and all as I can't stand these restrictions, the more compliance there is the sooner it ends tbh

    I thought that last year. ATM, I don't think this will ever end with our shambles of a government. We get cases down and they just ask for it be lower before they do anything.

    I've complied plenty up to now, even on the periods where restrictions were lessened, I didn't do anything different to when they were there.

    We still have clusters from the groups of people not taking this seriously and we see feck all punishment for them.

    At this stage, I'm mentally done with it.


  • #7608
    I regurgitate the news
    Closed Accounts Posts: 140 ✭✭I regurgitate the news


    Arghus wrote: »
    Off with you so bro.

    But don't be complaining if it goes on and on and on.

    Nothing as permanent as a temporary government measure.

    Once you accept that this is going to go on forever you can move on with your life and enjoy it while you are alive.

    Your job in the future will be trying to convince the ever growing number of people like me that we should listen to politicians and the media. Good luck with that.


  • #7609
    TonyMaloney
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,150 ✭✭✭TonyMaloney


    Jim_Hodge wrote: »
    Tony, You lost me there. What do you mean about smartphones?

    Sorry. Just that mobility data, gathered by smartphone use, shows no real drop in compliance worth mentioning.

    Actually, that's not true. I've just rechecked, and we let ourselves down in the supermarkets over the weekend there. Everything else is pretty flat.

    Seems there has been some people returning to the workplace as the weeks went by, but we're talking very small numbers.

    I've just realised you never asked for a full mobility report breakdown, but I've typed it out now.


  • #7610
    CalamariFritti
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,355 ✭✭✭CalamariFritti


    Arghus wrote: »
    Off with you so bro.

    But don't be complaining if it goes on and on and on.

    I dont know Arghus. The way I see it it will be going on and on and on anyway. In this mirror interview MM spoke about end of Q2 before anything tangible happens. And even for that he puts so many caveats in. We're talking about the middle of the summer here. Today is Feb18. This is just not going to work.


  • #7611
    retro:electro
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,039 ✭✭✭✭retro:electro


    How are they going to justify strict level 5 in May when cases could be -100, ICU figures in the 20s or 30s and hospital figures -100 plus mass vaccination.
    I’m starting to feel really hopeless now. This is very depressing.


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  • #7612
    niallo27
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,138 ✭✭✭✭niallo27


    TonyMaloney wrote: »
    Sorry. Just that mobility data, gathered by smartphone use, shows no real drop in compliance worth mentioning.

    Actually, that's not true. I've just rechecked, and we let ourselves down in the supermarkets over the weekend there. Everything else is pretty flat.

    Seems there has been some people returning to the workplace as the weeks went by, but we're talking very small numbers.

    I've just realised you never asked for a full mobility report breakdown, but I've typed it out now.

    You do realise people can turn this off on their phones right.


  • #7613
    spookwoman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,059 ✭✭✭✭spookwoman


    TonyMaloney wrote: »
    wow, thanks

    I may have a couple of questions though

    From the 11/01/2021 was when they really started to break down the deaths per months consistently. 109 deaths reported between the 1st and 10th of jan


  • #7614
    robbiezero
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,840 ✭✭✭robbiezero


    TonyMaloney wrote: »
    Sorry. Just that mobility data, gathered by smartphone use, shows no real drop in compliance worth mentioning.

    Actually, that's not true. I've just rechecked, and we let ourselves down in the supermarkets over the weekend there. Everything else is pretty flat.

    Seems there has been some people returning to the workplace as the weeks went by, but we're talking very small numbers.

    I've just realised you never asked for a full mobility report breakdown, but I've typed it out now.

    How did WE do that?


  • #7615
    CalamariFritti
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,355 ✭✭✭CalamariFritti


    niallo27 wrote: »
    You do realise people can turn this off on their phones right.

    I dont think they can. There is always mobile phone mast triangulation. People would actually have to leave their phone at home or take the battery out where possible. I dont think people can actually do that anymore, they may as well get an implant.


  • #7616
    Arghus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,314 ✭✭✭✭Arghus


    daydorunrun wrote: »
    Yep, you are right. But people can only take so much and I’m beyond twitching the curtain at partners or family that haven’t seen each other in ages meeting up. I hear people complaining about kids hanging around together- but Seriously how long do we expect them to hide away? It’s just not right. I just hope people can use their heads while doing so.

    There is a limit to what people can take. But people felt at their limit in December and then they got a rude awakening and it turns out they can take more after all.

    But, I'm being honest, and it's only my experience, people are still by and large putting up with it. Obviously everyone is fed up at some level, but Boards is the only place I come across this level of frustration. It is a place that is built for people to vent and what you read here gives a skewed opinion on how society as a whole is reacting to things.

    Of course there's loads of depression and negativity - why wouldn't there be, given what is happening - out there as well, but, all things considered and on balance, I'm often struck by how resilient society is in the face of this.


  • #7617
    Gael23
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,105 ✭✭✭✭Gael23


    KrustyUCC wrote: »
    Yes that's possible

    It's also possible that such a strategy will lose the compliance of a lot of people along the way

    That's 5 months minimum of not seeing friends, family, partners within counties not to mind in other counties

    The restrictions might not have changed but a lot of people won't comply for that long imo

    I’ll be seeing my grandparents as soon as they get the vaccine, most likely by Easter


  • #7618
    niallo27
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,138 ✭✭✭✭niallo27


    Arghus wrote: »
    Off with you so bro.

    But don't be complaining if it goes on and on and on.

    As if makes one bit of difference, it will go on and on anyway. **** that it's time to go back having a bit of life.


  • #7619
    Arghus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,314 ✭✭✭✭Arghus


    I regurgitate the news wrote: »
    Nothing as permanent as a temporary government measure.

    Once you accept that this is going to go on forever you can move on with your life and enjoy it while you are alive.

    Your job in the future will be trying to convince the ever growing number of people like me that we should listen to politicians and the media. Good luck with that.

    To be honest, I've gone well past believing that anyone can convince anyone of anything on here.

    I write to entertain myself as much as anything else at this stage.


  • #7620
    mcburns07
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,420 ✭✭✭mcburns07


    Arghus wrote: »
    There is a limit to what people can take. But people felt at their limit in December and then they got a rude awakening and it turns out they can take more after all.

    But, I'm being honest, and it's only my experience, people are still by and large putting up with it. Obviously everyone is fed up at some level, but Boards is the only place I come across this level of frustration. It is a place that is built for people to vent and what you read here gives a skewed opinion on how society as a whole is reacting to things.

    Of course there's loads of depression and negativity - why wouldn't there be, given what is happening - out there as well, but, all things considered and on balance, I'm often struck by how resilient society is in the face of this.

    Or maybe it’s a lot easier to vent on an anonymous Internet forum? People are nearly always more moderate when expressing their views publicly.


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  • #7621
    TonyMaloney
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,150 ✭✭✭TonyMaloney


    robbiezero wrote: »
    How did WE do that?

    I don't know about you, Robbie, but I did a full shop in Aldi on Saturday, and ended up back in Dunnes on Sunday morning for more nappies and again that evening for more wine.

    Sorry everyone, I've let you, the mobility statistics and worst of all myself down


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