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Covid 19 Part XXXII-215,743 ROI (4,137 deaths)111,166 NI (2,036 deaths)(22/02)Read OP

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  • #7292
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Klonker wrote: »
    So if schools and constuction opened on Monday you think there would be a spike?
    Probably not. A lot of construction is outside and the schools are returning in phases. The issue as always is household transmission.


  • #7293
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,467 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    Mitch Connor wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/FergalBowers/status/1362341966697086981

    Supply was being delivered on Monday.

    Anywhere most people were aware of only began Tuesday


  • #7294
    seamus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,173 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    Mitch Connor wrote: »
    So, with the roll out of the vaccine to over 85s this week.... a grand total of 66 jabs were given to over 85s by GPs on Monday.
    This is appalling. How can such a massive failure be accepted?
    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    Supply was being delivered on Monday.

    Anywhere most people were aware of only began Tuesday
    This is what I'd hope the issue is. Monday being the day that GPs were getting their house in order, ready for Tuesday.


  • #7295
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Deleted User wrote: »
    So instead of "more than 8,000 vaccinations completed in single day as delivery ramps up in line with increase in supply", we get "only 66 were given to over 85's".

    Relentless negative outlook from some
    Well, data is 48 hours behind and we know there are 12,000 shots+ available for them this week.


  • #7296
    Mitch Connor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 48,395 ✭✭✭✭Mitch Connor


    Deleted User wrote: »
    So instead of "more than 8,000 vaccinations completed in single day as delivery ramps up in line with increase in supply", we get "only 66 were given to over 85's".

    Relentless negative outlook from some

    Yes, because the use of GPs was supposed to start Monday, and be the first step in a massive ramp up of vaccination numbers - particularly when viewed against the actual slowdown of rollout the previous week, and the fact we've thousands of AZ sitting in fridges for a full week going nowhere.

    The first day of this new phase? 66 over 85s in the entire country get a jab from a GP.

    Every GP in the country should have been starting lists on Monday - so have sent out only 66 doses to GPs is an absolute disgrace and makes a mockery of their planning. Monday is day 1 but we could only actually get 66 doses out there. Its a disgrace.


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  • #7297
    seamus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,173 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    is_that_so wrote: »
    Well, data is 48 hours behind and we know there are 12,000 shots+ available for them this week.
    I would also be wary of data about GP injections until we know how it's received and processed.

    I can certainly see a lot of practices simply not having the time to upload data daily to the HSE and instead won't report on their vaccinations stats until Friday evenings or even the following Monday.

    Which means the vaccination data will be very spikey, so daily reports from the HSE may not be very useful.


  • #7298
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Mitch Connor wrote: »
    Yes, because the use of GPs was supposed to start Monday, and be the first step in a massive ramp up of vaccination numbers - particularly when viewed against the actual slowdown of rollout the previous week, and the fact we've thousands of AZ sitting in fridges for a full week going nowhere.

    The first day of this new phase? 66 over 85s in the entire country get a jab from a GP.

    Every GP in the country should have been starting lists on Monday - so have sent out only 66 doses to GPs is an absolute disgrace and makes a mockery of their planning. Monday is day 1 but we could only actually get 66 doses out there. Its a disgrace.
    No, this week is a test run with limited GPs and well flagged in advance. We did the same back in December, in hospitals.


  • #7299
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 3,686 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    TonyMaloney wrote: »
    It's very hard to compare restrictions to the point where you can absolutely rank them by harshness.
    I mean, one country could have a 5km limit and the other has a 9pm curfew - which is more draconian? I don't know.

    We're definitely in one of the harsher lockdowns in Europe right now, but it's relative to the size of our outbreak and the new variant taking over like nowhere else outside the UK.

    As for right now, there's a number of countries with similarly harsh lockdowns to us, but Portugal's seems by far the most difficult. They've shut parks and beaches. It's an old fashioned STAY THE **** HOME lockdown.

    What is the point of the 5km restriction? Can anyone answer this?

    My brother from New York thinks he can fly home for Easter to see my Mum who is sick with Covid (hope she makes it). They are more or less opened up there. He couldnt believe about quarantines, isolation and 5km restrictions here !! (so he's not coming).

    I was speaking to my sister in the UK last night. She cannot understand why we are restricted to 5km in the Republic of Ireland. She said "are you not all going mad ?" :rolleyes:
    I can deal with almost any other restriction but I think if we are sacrificing so much and all international travel is shut then we should be free to move about the country, for travel..........(not to visit family/friends) but for travel to nice places so we can breathe and allow our minds to dream as feel free again as we walk on a deserted beach in Donegal, Sligo, Mayo, or climb a mountain and see a beautiful view. What is the point of this 5km?? Its driving me mad :(


  • #7300
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 338 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    whatever makes you feel good....

    The boy was pale (maybe because he is indoors most of the time, this was my point).....he was holding on to the pram and would not let go. The reason I noticed this so much is that he was a tall child and his poor mum was struggling to reach across him to open the door to get the buggy out! It was noticeable that as a tall 6 year old (ish) boy he didn't help him mum open the door but clung to the pram handle. For a minute I was watching and thinking that lad needs to help his mum a bit more!! Then when I was driving away I thought more about it, it really struck me as odd because its not something you would normally see with a child that age.

    I'm not a regular poster here so when I do take the time to write a post , its not lies.

    Was talking to someone over summer who said their grandkids had totally regressed from being out of school, clinging to Mammy, afraid of everything. Another Mum has said her kid is afraid to leave the house. They need to get back to school some kind of normality and daily routine.


  • #7301
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 12,836 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Is there not also a distinct possibility many GPs just haven't put their first day's worth of vaccinations into whatever system is being used?


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  • #7302
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    seamus wrote: »
    I would also be wary of data about GP injections until we know how it's received and processed.

    I can certainly see a lot of practices simply not having the time to upload data daily to the HSE and instead won't report on their vaccinations stats until Friday evenings or even the following Monday.

    Which means the vaccination data will be very spikey, so daily reports from the HSE may not be very useful.
    Yeah, but it's not as if they are not doing it. The media been all over the story this week.


  • #7303
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Deleted User wrote: »
    What is the point of the 5km restriction? Can anyone answer this?

    My brother from New York thinks he can fly home for Easter to see my Mum who is sick with Covid (hope she makes it). They are more or less opened up there. He couldnt believe about quarantines, isolation and 5km restrictions here !! (so he's not coming).

    I was speaking to my sister in the UK last night. She cannot understand why we are restricted to 5km in the Republic of Ireland. She said "are you not all going mad ?" :rolleyes:
    I can deal with almost any other restriction but I think if we are sacrificing so much and all international travel is shut then we should be free to move about the country, for travel..........(not to visit family/friends) but for travel to nice places so we can breathe and allow our minds to dream as feel free again as we walk on a deserted beach in Donegal, Sligo, Mayo, or climb a mountain and see a beautiful view. What is the point of this 5km?? Its driving me mad :(
    To limit mass movement, nothing else.


  • #7304
    Dr. Em
    Closed Accounts Posts: 320 ✭✭Dr. Em


    Klonker wrote: »
    So if schools and constuction opened on Monday you think there would be a spike?

    Judging from the outbreaks among construction workers in December, the positivity rate in creches at the end of January, and then general uptick in mobility due to schools being open, I think that the daily numbers would stop going down if they opened on Monday. Right now, I see it as a choice to either open them up and keep the rest of society at level 5 for perhaps two month longer than otherwise, or getting the numbers lower first and having a chance of opening a few other things up and still keeping on top of the contact tracing. It is a devil's bargain either way. If the numbers stop falling anyway due to lack of compliance, things will have to open up regardless and the hospitals will never even get the chance to start treating non-Covid patients. If that worst-case scenario does happen, I'm only hoping the vaccinations will make the difference this time around. Anyway, that is my bleak assessment.


  • #7305
    batman_oh
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,534 ✭✭✭batman_oh


    Deleted User wrote: »
    What is the point of the 5km restriction? Can anyone answer this?

    My brother from New York thinks he can fly home for Easter to see my Mum who is sick with Covid (hope she makes it). They are more or less opened up there. He couldnt believe about quarantines, isolation and 5km restrictions here !! (so he's not coming).

    I was speaking to my sister in the UK last night. She cannot understand why we are restricted to 5km in the Republic of Ireland. She said "are you not all going mad ?" :rolleyes:
    I can deal with almost any other restriction but I think if we are sacrificing so much and all international travel is shut then we should be free to move about the country, for travel..........(not to visit family/friends) but for travel to nice places so we can breathe and allow our minds to dream as feel free again as we walk on a deserted beach in Donegal, Sligo, Mayo, or climb a mountain and see a beautiful view. What is the point of this 5km?? Its driving me mad :(

    The 5km is an absolute joke - there isn't anywhere else in the world that has imposed such a thing for so long (or even close), with currently no suggestion of when it might end. I'm not sure what the point of confining people to this is, especially within the highly populated parts of Dublin. It basically means every single small park is rammed full of people all the time and when you go for a walk you pass hundreds of people. How is that worse than if they could do a bit further and walk in more remote places


  • #7306
    Multipass
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,678 ✭✭✭Multipass


    Deleted User wrote: »
    What is the point of the 5km restriction? Can anyone answer this?

    My brother from New York thinks he can fly home for Easter to see my Mum who is sick with Covid (hope she makes it). They are more or less opened up there. He couldnt believe about quarantines, isolation and 5km restrictions here !! (so he's not coming).

    I was speaking to my sister in the UK last night. She cannot understand why we are restricted to 5km in the Republic of Ireland. She said "are you not all going mad ?" :rolleyes:
    I can deal with almost any other restriction but I think if we are sacrificing so much and all international travel is shut then we should be free to move about the country, for travel..........(not to visit family/friends) but for travel to nice places so we can breathe and allow our minds to dream as feel free again as we walk on a deserted beach in Donegal, Sligo, Mayo, or climb a mountain and see a beautiful view. What is the point of this 5km?? Its driving me mad :(

    It would only make sense if covid was only in certain parts of the country, and absent in others. Since it’s already everywhere the 5km rule is complete and utter futility, and I don’t know anyone who is bothering with it anymore.


  • #7307
    hynesie08
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,346 ✭✭✭✭hynesie08


    Deleted User wrote: »
    What is the point of the 5km restriction? Can anyone answer this?

    My brother from New York thinks he can fly home for Easter to see my Mum who is sick with Covid (hope she makes it). They are more or less opened up there. He couldnt believe about quarantines, isolation and 5km restrictions here !! (so he's not coming).

    I was speaking to my sister in the UK last night. She cannot understand why we are restricted to 5km in the Republic of Ireland. She said "are you not all going mad ?" :rolleyes:
    I can deal with almost any other restriction but I think if we are sacrificing so much and all international travel is shut then we should be free to move about the country, for travel..........(not to visit family/friends) but for travel to nice places so we can breathe and allow our minds to dream as feel free again as we walk on a deserted beach in Donegal, Sligo, Mayo, or climb a mountain and see a beautiful view. What is the point of this 5km?? Its driving me mad :(
    No, they are not.


  • #7308
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    gansi wrote: »
    Was talking to someone over summer who said their grandkids had totally regressed from being out of school, clinging to Mammy, afraid of everything. Another Mum has said her kid is afraid to leave the house. They need to get back to school some kind of normality and daily routine.
    Way back in the early, pre-mask days I was in a local Tesco. A woman had her 10-12 year old with her. Every time anyone got within 10 feet of the kid you could see the abject terror on her face.


  • #7309
    eagle eye
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,875 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    The 5km restriction seems to be for large urban areas like Dublin. They just applied it to the whole country which makes no sense.


  • #7310
    hynesie08
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,346 ✭✭✭✭hynesie08


    Deleted User wrote: »
    whatever makes you feel good....

    The boy was pale (maybe because he is indoors most of the time, this was my point).....he was holding on to the pram and would not let go. The reason I noticed this so much is that he was a tall child and his poor mum was struggling to reach across him to open the door to get the buggy out! It was noticeable that as a tall 6 year old (ish) boy he didn't help him mum open the door but clung to the pram handle. For a minute I was watching and thinking that lad needs to help his mum a bit more!! Then when I was driving away I thought more about it, it really struck me as odd because its not something you would normally see with a child that age.

    I'm not a regular poster here so when I do take the time to write a post , its not lies.
    You've been caught lying twice this week.....


  • #7311
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 10,049 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Mitch Connor wrote: »
    Yes, because the use of GPs was supposed to start Monday, and be the first step in a massive ramp up of vaccination numbers - particularly when viewed against the actual slowdown of rollout the previous week, and the fact we've thousands of AZ sitting in fridges for a full week going nowhere.

    The first day of this new phase? 66 over 85s in the entire country get a jab from a GP.

    Every GP in the country should have been starting lists on Monday - so have sent out only 66 doses to GPs is an absolute disgrace and makes a mockery of their planning. Monday is day 1 but we could only actually get 66 doses out there. Its a disgrace.

    Have you heard the big secret that AZ's are not going to over 85's?

    Did you not also see the large proportion of doses on Monday were second jabs?

    You realises that these are from the same supply that will be going to the over 85s?


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  • #7312
    robbiezero
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,840 ✭✭✭robbiezero


    Deleted User wrote: »
    What is the point of the 5km restriction? Can anyone answer this?

    My brother from New York thinks he can fly home for Easter to see my Mum who is sick with Covid (hope she makes it). They are more or less opened up there. He couldnt believe about quarantines, isolation and 5km restrictions here !! (so he's not coming).

    I was speaking to my sister in the UK last night. She cannot understand why we are restricted to 5km in the Republic of Ireland. She said "are you not all going mad ?" :rolleyes:
    I can deal with almost any other restriction but I think if we are sacrificing so much and all international travel is shut then we should be free to move about the country, for travel..........(not to visit family/friends) but for travel to nice places so we can breathe and allow our minds to dream as feel free again as we walk on a deserted beach in Donegal, Sligo, Mayo, or climb a mountain and see a beautiful view. What is the point of this 5km?? Its driving me mad :(

    It is a thundering disgrace that a year into this pandemic and they haven't figured out a way to allow people to safely walk on a beach or hike in the countryside or mountains outside of a 5km distance.

    There are enough people unemployed to put someone in a high viz jacket beside every clump of trees and inlet in the country and yet the best we can do is fine people for doing no-risk healthy (mentally and physically) activities.

    Thankfully myself and my family have ignored this idiocy since early on in the pandemic and it has been great for us.


  • #7313
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 3,686 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    hynesie08 wrote: »
    You've been caught lying twice this week.....

    what? :confused::confused:

    (from the horses mouth ...aka my brother.......they don't have to wear masks in NY where he is, no 5km restrictions, and he says non essential shops in Brooklyn are open).


  • #7314
    Dr. Em
    Closed Accounts Posts: 320 ✭✭Dr. Em


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    What is the point of the 5km restriction? Can anyone answer this?

    My brother from New York thinks he can fly home for Easter to see my Mum who is sick with Covid (hope she makes it). They are more or less opened up there. He couldnt believe about quarantines, isolation and 5km restrictions here !! (so he's not coming).

    I was speaking to my sister in the UK last night. She cannot understand why we are restricted to 5km in the Republic of Ireland. She said "are you not all going mad ?" :rolleyes:
    I can deal with almost any other restriction but I think if we are sacrificing so much and all international travel is shut then we should be free to move about the country, for travel..........(not to visit family/friends) but for travel to nice places so we can breathe and allow our minds to dream as feel free again as we walk on a deserted beach in Donegal, Sligo, Mayo, or climb a mountain and see a beautiful view. What is the point of this 5km?? Its driving me mad :(

    Back in the first lockdown before they introduced the 2km restriction (as it was at the time), all the local beauty spots were overrun at the weekend and there were queues outside the petrol stations where people were stopping for picnic supplies. The 5km restriction is primarily to stop everyone from towns congregating at the one nearest wild space and making social distancing impossible. I don't like it, but I see the problem.


  • #7315
    gozunda
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,992 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    Klonker wrote: »
    Could you name some of these EU countries that have harsher restrictions than ours and what they are?

    Cases here have not plateaued since, they are falling quicker than anywhere else in the EU. We had the highest rates in Europe in early January but we don't anymore and soon will be one of the best.

    Most people aren't asking for everything to open up now. What we are complaining about is what government are leaking to us, possible level 5 until May or June. Schools and construction should be opened now because they never should have closed in the first place. Then mid March have a look at easing 5km rule and so on from there. If numbers start to rise significantly we can always row back a small bit.

    As detailed above already - take a read for yourself.

    https://m.dw.com/en/european-travel-restrictions-non-essential-travel-curbed/a-56350272

    And as has been said - It's not a competition between us and other EU countries. Each county have different issues and faces unique difficulties when it comes to helping control the rate of infection within its borders

    As to the current situation:
    Deputy Chief Medical Officer Dr Ronan Glynn said: “We have made progress in Ireland over recent weeks, but the rate of transmission of the disease is still extremely high

    This is a record of new cases from the beginning of February to the 10th of February with the number of cases see-sawing up and down but not decreasing exponentially

    4yhzxv.jpg

    6 days ago we were back up to 921 new cases,
    Yesterday that was down again to 650.

    Some may personally disagree about schools etc being closed etc. Others want to go on holiday - all that is irrelevant.

    Forget the "leaks' - the current situation is dynamic and it looks like its going to stay that way.


  • #7316
    hynesie08
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,346 ✭✭✭✭hynesie08


    Deleted User wrote: »
    what? :confused::confused:

    (from the horses mouth ...aka my brother.......they don't have to wear masks in NY where he is, no 5km restrictions, and he says non essential shops in Brooklyn are open).

    Twice this week you've been caught out lying, why would anyone believe a word that you say?
    Kunta Kinte wrote: »
    Maybe in your alternative dimension of reality a full year of everything that I bolded in your quote has happened. In the dimension that most of us live in this never took place. Sorry to burst your bubble. BTW you have just contradicted yourself. You claimed earlier that you have been travelling the length of the country for several months to visit your daughter after being told to continue on your journey by Gardai and now you claim that you can`t meet anyone in your family. So which is it?
    gipi wrote: »
    So, did you meet with siblings or not?


    And new york has the same mask rules as us.....


  • #7317
    MrMusician18
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,145 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    robbiezero wrote: »
    It is a thundering disgrace that a year into this pandemic and they haven't figured out a way to allow people to safely walk on a beach or hike in the countryside or mountains outside of a 5km distance.

    There are enough people unemployed to put someone in a high viz jacket beside every clump of trees and inlet in the country and yet the best we can do is fine people for doing no-risk healthy (mentally and physically) activities.

    Thankfully myself and my family have ignored this idiocy since early on in the pandemic and it has been great for us.

    Who are they?

    Those that have ignored the rules and regulations are the same people that have perpetuated this crisis. Not Government, not posters here defending the rules.

    If everyone had actually behaved instead of "knowing better" this would be essentially over.


  • #7318
    robbiezero
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,840 ✭✭✭robbiezero


    Dr. Em wrote: »
    Back in the first lockdown before they introduced the 2km restriction (as it was at the time), all the local beauty spots were overrun at the weekend and there were queues outside the petrol stations where people were stopping for picnic supplies. The 5km restriction is primarily to stop everyone from towns congregating at the one nearest wild space and making social distancing impossible. I don't like it, but I see the problem.

    And 1 year on, there is no possible way to mitigate this? None whatsoever?


  • #7319
    robbiezero
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,840 ✭✭✭robbiezero


    MrMusician18 wrote: »
    Who are they?

    Those that have ignored the rules and regulations are the same people that have perpetuated this crisis. Not Government, not posters here defending the rules.

    If everyone had actually behaved instead of "knowing better" this would be essentially over.

    Where is the evidence of any of that?


  • #7320
    hynesie08
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,346 ✭✭✭✭hynesie08


    robbiezero wrote: »
    And 1 year on, there is no possible way to mitigate this? None whatsoever?

    Such as? What's an unemployed barman in a hivis gonna do?


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  • #7321
    Dr. Em
    Closed Accounts Posts: 320 ✭✭Dr. Em


    robbiezero wrote: »
    And 1 year on, there is no possible way to mitigate this? None whatsoever?

    This happened outside a relatively small town. There aren't many wild spaces per person throughout Ireland - even beaches in Donegal had to close for overcrowding at different times during the lockdown. What solution would you propose?


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