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Covid 19 Part XXXII-215,743 ROI (4,137 deaths)111,166 NI (2,036 deaths)(22/02)Read OP

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  • #7112
    jackboy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,072 ✭✭✭jackboy


    Stheno wrote: »
    Christ almighty

    https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1362142113513631746?s=19

    I thought this was fake so I checked his Twitter. This is a real tweet. We are truly being trolled by the establishment.


  • #7113
    Stheno
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,685 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    jackboy wrote: »
    I thought this was fake so I checked his Twitter. This is a real tweet. We are truly being trolled by the establishment.

    https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1362146624412282880?s=19


  • #7114
    Spanish Eyes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,139 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    Personally I don't listen to or take in the Gov announcements, nor do I watch the news either. Gave up after a month or so back in the early days.

    I just keep myself informed of the headline news every couple of days or so. For me (it may be different for others), the roller coaster of high numbers, lower numbers, hospital admissions, ICU beds etc. change day by day.

    Of course I want things to settle down eventually, and have great hope now that Spring is springing. And along with that I am delighted to hear that J+J might be the game changer for its ease of distribution, which is no doubt the one I will get after everyone else, you know, those far down the list for the cryogen version. LOL.

    J+J just might be the Flu vaccine of the future. Here's to a normal or kind of normal life to come, but we probably have to be patient about it. Good news all the same. Ignore all the doom and gloom coming from Gov, they cannot say anything else really until we are all jabbed.


  • #7115
    KrustyUCC
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,086 ✭✭✭KrustyUCC


    titan18 wrote: »
    We should get it Monday isn't it. Thought they were revealing the plan then.

    There won't be any dates with the new plan though as they won't be tied down


  • #7116
    Itssoeasy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,254 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    igCorcaigh wrote: »
    I'd be the first to criticise the government, and have done many times on this forum, but it must be some difficult task, facing conflicting concerns in an ever changing problem; I don't envy them a bit, it's a horrible situation for them and us all to be in.

    It was always going to be harder to open back up. I think even the biggest critic of the government would admit that, but even still they can’t expect the country to continue like this with no end in sight. This government has done a shocking job and communicating to the country their plans so it’s not surprising that the people are getting pissed off. This can’t last indefinitely and while I know Micheal Martin is known as being a cautious person and that’s fine in some ways but it’s not good in this situation. I’m not advocating them to just open everything back up as if the pandemic is over but something in the middle is surely possible.


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  • #7117
    igCorcaigh
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 12,596 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    Stheno wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1362146624412282880?s=19

    Why are they linked?


  • #7118
    Stheno
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,685 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    igCorcaigh wrote: »
    Why are they linked?

    https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1362146624412282880?s=19


  • #7119
    0gac3yjefb5sv7
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,945 ✭✭✭0gac3yjefb5sv7


    KrustyUCC wrote: »
    There won't be any dates with the new plan though as they won't be tied down

    Why can't they just say if we hit under 100 cases with less than 50 ICU, we go to L3. And set out criteria like that?


  • #7120
    igCorcaigh
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 12,596 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    Itssoeasy wrote: »
    It was always going to be harder to open back up. I think even the biggest critic of the government would admit that, but even still they can’t expect the country to continue like this with no end in sight. This government has done a shocking job and communicating to the country their plans so it’s not surprising that the people are getting pissed off. This can’t last indefinitely and while I know Micheal Martin is known as being a cautious person and that’s fine in some ways but it’s not good in this situation. I’m not advocating them to just open everything back up as the pandemic is over but something in the middle is surely possible.

    Yeah, indefinite lockdown should never have been a real policy. It is inhumane.
    We failed to contain the virus, so we are now in this nevernever land.


  • #7121
    Turtwig
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    Stheno wrote: »
    It is indeed

    The communications though is a shambles and something that could be improved

    Yep it's been awful. When you consider how many PR advisors these politicians have describing it as awful is being very generous.

    The contrast to me that really stood out was the last restrictions announcement press conference which was doom beyond doom. Then two days later the NPHET briefing on Thursday that despite George Lee's best question efforts was optimistic and very informative.

    Not that NPHET communication doesn't have its issues either. They are however light years ahead of our political leaders. Wish the leaders spoke only when it is actually necessary to say something.


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  • #7122
    KrustyUCC
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,086 ✭✭✭KrustyUCC


    MattS1 wrote: »
    Why can't they just say if we hit under 100 cases with less than 50 ICU, we go to L3. And set out criteria like that?

    True but they won't give the criteria publicly either

    Apparently they use different criteria but why not be transparent and tell us the metrics?


  • #7123
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,121 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    igCorcaigh wrote: »
    Yeah, indefinite lockdown should never have been a real policy. It is inhumane.
    We failed to contain the virus, so we are now in this nevernever land.

    Other countries didn’t contain the virus either, but are still not in this nevernever land


  • #7124
    igCorcaigh
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 12,596 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    MattS1 wrote: »
    Why can't they just say if we hit under 100 cases with less than 50 ICU, we go to L3. And set out criteria like that?

    It can't be a simple algorithm like that.
    It takes judgment.
    This has been said over and over again in the NPHET briefings.


  • #7125
    igCorcaigh
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 12,596 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Other countries didn’t contain the virus either, but are still not in this nevernever land

    Like who?

    Edit: Ok, sorry, I know, but we are dealing with a huge post Christmas spike that no other country has seen.


  • #7126
    Itssoeasy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,254 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    MattS1 wrote: »
    Why can't they just say if we hit under 100 cases with less than 50 ICU, we go to L3. And set out criteria like that?

    Because that would lock the government into a hard and fast number that they couldn’t spin out of. I know I come across as negative but I’m not and honestly the parties in government aren’t important to me at this moment because the Healy raes could be government ministers for all I care. Once they get us through the pandemic I don’t care. But this current government are really trying their Best to make me not listen to them and I’d be someone who would stick to rules and I have but I’m sure I’m like everyone else, there’s a tipping point.


  • #7127
    Happydays2020
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,677 ✭✭✭Happydays2020


    MerlinSouthDub wrote: »
    You definitely should Niall. Do it safely (outdoors), but social contact is absolutely necessary.

    Absolutely agree. Nicer weather this week.


  • #7128
    retro:electro
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,039 ✭✭✭✭retro:electro


    Stheno wrote: »
    It is indeed

    The communications though is a shambles and something that could be improved

    The leaks need to stop. They do nothing only raise anxiety and make people panic. They just need to shut up until they’ve something official to say at a press conference. All of these “may/might/thinking about xyz” should be kept to themselves until a decision is formed. The public have enough to be fretting about


  • #7129
    KrustyUCC
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,086 ✭✭✭KrustyUCC


    Itssoeasy wrote: »
    Because that would lock the government into a hard and fast number that they couldn’t spin out of. I know I come across as negative but I’m not and honestly the parties in government aren’t important to me at this moment because the Healy raes could be government ministers for all I care. Once they get us through the pandemic I don’t care. But this current government are really trying their Best to make me not listen to them and I’d be someone who would stick to rules and I have but I’m sure I’m like everyone else, there’s a tipping point.

    Spot on


  • #7130
    0gac3yjefb5sv7
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,945 ✭✭✭0gac3yjefb5sv7


    igCorcaigh wrote: »
    It can't be a simple algorithm like that.
    It takes judgment.
    This has been said over and over again in the NPHET briefings.

    Why? It can definitely be done. Obviously more complex that I laid out but you get the idea.

    It would encourage more buy in if people take the piss then things get closed etc.


  • #7131
    Stheno
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    retro:electro wrote: »
    The leaks need to stop. They do nothing only raise anxiety and make people panic. They just need to shut up until they’ve something official to say at a press conference. All of these “may/might/thinking about xyz” should be kept to themselves until a decision is formed. The public have enough to be fretting about

    Thats the first thing that needs to stop

    A clear consistent message after that would be nice


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  • #7132
    Itssoeasy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,254 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    igCorcaigh wrote: »
    Yeah, indefinite lockdown should never have been a real policy. It is inhumane.
    We failed to contain the virus, so we are now in this nevernever land.

    Well most of Europe and America didn’t contain the virus either so we are in good company unfortunately. With hindsight I don’t think any country would have stopped the spread of the virus, but I think lots of countries could and should have contained it better past the initial wave.

    I just think the Irish government have been overly cautious during the summer in reopening which led to people likely going over board but you can’t expect anyone to be locked down for that long.


  • #7133
    CalamariFritti
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,355 ✭✭✭CalamariFritti


    retro:electro wrote: »
    The leaks need to stop. They do nothing only raise anxiety and make people panic. They just need to shut up until they’ve something official to say at a press conference. All of these “may/might/thinking about xyz” should be kept to themselves until a decision is formed. The public have enough to be fretting about

    Its practically impossible for a politician to shut up. They cant help themselves.


  • #7134
    What Username Guidelines
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,139 ✭✭✭What Username Guidelines


    Bigfatmichael wrote: »
    I'd say the case numbers are probably really double or treble that. Now thats just my opinion in case anyone tries to bite my head off.

    Oh completely agree, and it’s probably more than treble. But at the time, they only had smaller confirmed numbers to go off.


  • #7135
    SusieBlue
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,029 ✭✭✭SusieBlue


    I am sick sh*t of all this constant kite flying, leaks to the press and rumours. It’s just simply not good enough and totally unprofessional.
    We have been in lockdown for 8 weeks, the cases have come down, they now need to give us a clear and concise plan to get us back out of it.
    They can’t expect to keep moving the goalposts and for people to go along with it, when nothing they do inspires any confidence whatsoever. They are losing public trust at a rapid rate.

    They are trigger happy when it comes to imposing mass shut down of society, but they don’t seem to feel obliged to share any details with us as to how they’re going to get us back out of them until pressure mounts.
    And at that, they put it off to the very last minute possible.
    No bother getting us into these lockdowns but they can’t get us out of them at all.

    It was the exact same in the first lockdown, they didn’t release their ‘roadmap’ until mid May, which involved a reopening so dragged out that some industries weren’t due to fully reopen until mid August.
    Meanwhile you could get a haircut, go clothes shopping and for a pint in other EU countries before you could get your dog groomed or go more than a few km from your home here.

    These lockdowns are causing massive amounts of anxiety, depression, frustration and distress among the majority of the general public.
    The very least we deserve is honesty and transparency. But they seem to care more about covering their arses than they do about providing strong leadership.

    It’s extremely irresponsible and reckless for them to be saying it won’t be safe enough to begin reopening society until May, when that’s almost 3 months away.
    People are hanging on by a thread and talk like that will only serve to push them over the edge.
    They have to know how damaging and dangerous their words are when so many already feel so hopeless.
    We’ve had the longest and strictest lockdown in the EU and we have absolutely nothing to show for it apart from an astronomical amount of debt.
    It just all feels absolutely hopeless right now.


  • #7136
    fm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 667 ✭✭✭fm


    retro:electro wrote: »
    The leaks need to stop. They do nothing only raise anxiety and make people panic. They just need to shut up until they’ve something official to say at a press conference. All of these “may/might/thinking about xyz” should be kept to themselves until a decision is formed. The public have enough to be fretting about

    The journalists who lap it up deliver the bad news for the government


  • #7137
    Bigfatmichael
    Closed Accounts Posts: 133 ✭✭Bigfatmichael


    What's the prediction to get down to 200 cases a day.


  • #7138
    Stheno
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    Bigfatmichael wrote: »
    What's the prediction to get down to 200 cases a day.

    End of March

    That will still be too high, I suspect they are not coming out with criteria as Christmas gave them such a shock they are aiming almost for suppression with something like less than 25 cases per day for 4 weeks as an example


  • #7139
    niallo27
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,138 ✭✭✭✭niallo27


    Definitely a big shift in mentatility lately especially in this thread which would mainly be lockdown supporters thread. They have disappeared. How fair of a reflection is boards to general society.


  • #7140
    Stheno
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,685 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    niallo27 wrote: »
    Definitely a big shift in mentatility lately especially in this thread which would mainly be lockdown supporters thread. They have disappeared. How fair of a reflection is boards to general society.

    Yet some opinions polls show very strong support for continuing the current measures


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  • #7141
    MarkY91
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,072 ✭✭✭MarkY91


    I wonder how long it will be until there's thousands on the streets of Dublin mass protesting.

    I was always against the tin foil hat conspiracy theorist protests at the GPO. Bit I can fully understand why now why people would choose to protest in future.


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