COVID-19: Vaccine and testing procedures Megathread Part 3 - Read OP

hmmm · 17-02-2021 03:10PM

Yevon wrote: »

The pettiness coming out now, particularly from the media, about the naming of the vaccination centres is baffling. Government saying it was the HSE who chose the centres. Reporters noting that the government press statement said the Minister for Health was confirming the locations.

It's exhausting how everything is a scandal. I'd like personally to read a lot more good news stories about peoples grannies getting vaccinated than another attempt to get me wound up.

I know good news isn't supposed to sell newspapers, but there must be some reporters out there who can profile some of the people getting vaccinated, tell a small bit about their life story and how they've found lockdown, and tell us how they are feeling with what is going on.

BigMo1 · 17-02-2021 03:12PM

Irish Stones wrote: »

What if some country/region/government/whatever is willing to pay twice as much for the same doses? Should the manufacturers deny the agreement with them in favour of the EU, or could they sell to the best buyers?

Contracts would almost certainly block that.

An interesting question however would be the ability for countries to supply other countries. If the US or UK for example have excess supply in the coming months, could they sell to countries where supply isn't as high?

Gael23 · 17-02-2021 03:13PM

I’m on immunosuppressive medication but the drug I’m on is being trialled as a treatment so not sure where that leaves me as regards risk.

When will we have this new priority list?

hmmm · 17-02-2021 03:16PM

BigMo1 wrote: »

Contracts would almost certainly block that.

An interesting question however would be the ability for countries to supply other countries. If the US or UK for example have excess supply in the coming months, could they sell to countries where supply isn't as high?

The EU was proposing to donate surplus vaccines with poorer countries via Covax.

The possible need for a booster later this year/early next year might impact on that however. A couple of the deals we're seeing being signed look like pre-planning for a booster shot.

timsey tiger · 17-02-2021 03:41PM

Irish Stones wrote: »

What if some country/region/government/whatever is willing to pay twice as much for the same doses? Should the manufacturers deny the agreement with them in favour of the EU, or could they sell to the best buyers?

Well the UK did with AZ and they were able to increase their supply to the UK while at the same time tell the EU that whey woud slash the supply to the UK.

In the end they increased the delivery to the EU under pressure, while cutting the upply to Canada.

is_that_so · 17-02-2021 03:48PM

El Weirdo wrote: »

Group 4 hasn't even started yet.

Not sure that's true. There's a large group of HCWs being done alongside the over 80s. Some of them were also done in hospitals to use up vaccines.

timsey tiger · 17-02-2021 03:49PM

https://www.jnj.com/johnson-johnson-announces-submission-of-european-conditional-marketing-authorisation-application-to-the-ema-for-its-investigational-single-shot-janssen-covid-19-vaccine-candidate

This is good, now EMA get the finger out.;)

17-02-2021 03:49PM

Yevon wrote: »

https://twitter.com/cilliandoyle87/status/1361956168927698945?s=20

Look at this absolute nonsense...

Not to be naive but is this even a story? These are all very large hotels, very large hotels are the ones most likely to hold big parties/conferences/events..

17-02-2021 03:49PM

timsey tiger wrote: »

Well the UK did with AZ and they were able to increase their supply to the UK while at the same time tell the EU that whey woud slash the supply to the UK.

In the end they increased the delivery to the EU under pressure, while cutting the upply to Canada.

AZ have only delivered a fraction to the UK of what was originally scheduled, it's being overlooked amongst all the noise, but per capita the UK ordered twice as much AZ as the EU.

So far the UK have received 9m doses. They were originally meant to get 25 to 40m doses in Q1. EU were originally scheduled for 100m, cut in December to 80m, then to 30m and now apparently back up to 40m.

is_that_so · 17-02-2021 03:50PM

quartz1 wrote: »

It will be interesting to see how many over 85s will have been vaccinated a week from last Monday when the effort began .I suspect it won't be a huge figure.

Somewhere over 12,000 because that's all they were doing this week, as a test run, but 68K other shots.

St.Spodo · 17-02-2021 03:51PM

Denmark and Sweden are planning to vaccinate 100% of their adult population by the end of June.

is_that_so · 17-02-2021 03:52PM

AdamD wrote: »

Not to be naive but is this even a story? These are all very large hotels, very large hotels are the ones most likely to hold big parties/conferences/events..

If you are a journalist and tweet it is. HSE have the MVC as fluid and subject to change but it feeds the pent up outrage.

Sky King · 17-02-2021 03:52PM

A huge overlap between hotels which have the capacity to deal with a large political conference, and hotels which have the capacity to deal with a large number of people getting vaccinated. Stop the f**king presses!

hynesie08 · 17-02-2021 03:55PM

AdamD wrote: »

Not to be naive but is this even a story? These are all very large hotels, very large hotels are the ones most likely to hold big parties/conferences/events..

If it turns out that they don't have the capacity or capability to be fit for use - yes.

If it turns out that they were picked because their capacity/facilities/dimensions were already in an email somewhere and they were fit for purpose - no.

I'm gonna lean towards the second one.......

17-02-2021 03:59PM

In my old job they had a list of hotels/venues big enough to host their Christmas party in Dublin and it was surprisingly small. You could probably get pictures of an event from any political party in each of those venues

Turtwig · 17-02-2021 04:04PM

AdamD wrote: »

Not to be naive but is this even a story? These are all very large hotels, very large hotels are the ones most likely to hold big parties/conferences/events..

I thought that was the posters point? It's a non story but the tweet thread is trying to make out it's a very significant one.

Cork2021 · 17-02-2021 04:12PM

More good news from Israel

https://twitter.com/coronavirusgoo1/status/1362054567249215491?s=21

El Weirdo · 17-02-2021 04:13PM

is_that_so wrote: »

Not sure that's true. There's a large group of HCWs being done alongside the over 80s. Some of them were also done in hospitals to use up vaccines.

Yes, HCWs that are in group 2.

Provisional Vaccine Allocation Group 2

2 (a) Healthcare workers who are working in a congregated care setting (unit/ward/service) in
contact with a known or suspected COVID 19 patient/service user where there is potential for active transmission of COVID-19. These are patient/service user facing HCWs in units, wards or services:
• with known or suspected COVID-19 patients/service user in an inpatient clinical setting.
• with current COVID-19 outbreaks.
• who work in COVID-19 assessment hubs or who work in or are called to attend to patients in an emergency department or similar setting;
• who work in COVID-19 swabbing centres with patient/service user contact.
• dealing with end of life care for the care of COVID patients/service users in an acute or home settings
• COVID-19 Vaccinators
 Paramedics and others who respond to emergency calls to deliver healthcare to non-triaged individuals in non-healthcare settings.

2 (b) Healthcare workers who deal with unscheduled care patients/service user on a regular basis in an uncontrolled environment
• First Responders in the community.
• HCWs working in Emergency Child Protection services
2 (c) Healthcare workers who deal with unscheduled care patients/service users in a semicontrolled environment on a regular basis. These are HCWs who mainly see patients/service users by appointment but who may from time to time need to see urgent unscheduled patients/service users
• Urgent care facility clinical staff.
• GP practice staff - GPs/Practice Nurses
• Dentists and dental nurses providing urgent dental care.
Some public health nurse providing urgent unscheduled care

2 (d) Healthcare workers who deal with unscheduled care patients in a controlled environment on a regular basis
• Patient facing staff who work in in-patient/residential care areas that provide care for unscheduled care /service users and community settings providing walk in access for patients/service users. For example walk-in community services, Addiction services, homeless service, walk-in mental health facilities.

2 (e) Healthcare workers who deal with scheduled care patients in an uncontrolled environment on a regular basis where there is no known COVID- diagnosis
• Delivery of care by appointment in a patient/service user’s home, for example home support, community delivered services, public health services and social care services, nonemergency patient/service user transport, residential and respite services,
2 (f) Healthcare workers who deal with scheduled care patients/service users in a controlled setting on a regular basis where there is no known COVID diagnosis
• Delivery of scheduled care by appointment in a clinic, outpatient clinic or hospital
• Provision of such therapies as physiotherapy, occupational therapy, podiatry
• Provision of face to face appointments, for example Occupational Health, Psychiatry, Counselling/Therapy services .
2(g) All other healthcare workers without direct patient care but working in a healthcare facility with the potential to meet patients/service users, who are not captured in 2a – 2f
• Examples are Laboratory staff, pharmacists, catering, household staff, general support staff, ICT, maintenance staff.
• Statutory/Regulatory workers e.g. HIQA inspectors, EHOs and others
• Critical management posts particularly on COVID response teams who provide on-going daily support to multiple locations.

Provisional Vaccine Allocation Groups 4

All other healthcare workers, not in direct patient/service user contact, but who provide essential health services, for example, management, administration and other non-patient/service user facing personnel.

From here.

coffeyt · 17-02-2021 04:13PM

Question 're the 65-69 age group I was wondering if anyone has some insight as I know someone who is 69 and so I assume would be getting the Oxford\Astra Zeneca jab. However I've been speaking to her and realised that with the 12 week gap between doses she will end up being 70 by the time she is due the second jab. (Which would put her in the category of NPETs advice 're getting the Pfizer instead)

Does anyone have any idea what would be recommended in her case?

is_that_so · 17-02-2021 04:18PM

El Weirdo wrote: »

Yes, HCWs that are in group 2.

From here.

No most of Group 2 are done as are some of Group 6. Just because they are not announcing them by group label doesn't mean it's not happening. Reid has also said it's going to be messy for a while.

El Weirdo · 17-02-2021 04:21PM

is_that_so wrote: »

No most of Group 2 are done as are some of Group 6. Just because they are not announcing them by group label doesn't mean it's not happening.

I'm in group 4 and I can't register for an appointment yet.

fawlty682 · 17-02-2021 04:23PM

Yevon wrote: »

https://twitter.com/cilliandoyle87/status/1361956168927698945?s=20

Look at this absolute nonsense...

Publishing the list before consultation with the hotels is usual strange HSE procedure.

ACitizenErased · 17-02-2021 04:24PM

El Weirdo wrote: »

I'm in group 4 and I can't register for an appointment yet.

i know multiple in group 4 who are either vaccinated or scheduled

is_that_so · 17-02-2021 04:25PM

coffeyt wrote: »

Question 're the 65-69 age group I was wondering if anyone has some insight as I know someone who is 69 and so I assume would be getting the Oxford\Astra Zeneca jab. However I've been speaking to her and realised that with the 12 week gap between doses she will end up being 70 by the time she is due the second jab. (Which would put her in the category of NPETs advice 're getting the Pfizer instead)

Does anyone have any idea what would be recommended in her case?

By the time we get to that group who knows what they'll get. A call to GP to check, maybe?

is_that_so · 17-02-2021 04:26PM

fawlty682 wrote: »

Publishing the list before consultation with the hotels is usual strange HSE procedure.

The government published it, most likely the DoH.

El Weirdo · 17-02-2021 04:36PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

i know multiple in group 4 who are either vaccinated or scheduled

And I know loads who aren't.

The point is that group 4 hasn't officially started so I doubt it's "almost completed" as originally stated.

Apogee · 17-02-2021 04:51PM

Crystal ball gazing into the future of SARS-CoV-2

https://twitter.com/NatureNews/status/1361712179611922432

is_that_so · 17-02-2021 04:59PM

El Weirdo wrote: »

And I know loads who aren't.

The point is that group 4 hasn't officially started so I doubt it's "almost completed" as originally stated.

Nobody has claimed that it is almost completed, Group 2 is. Officially they will be doing all sorts for a few weeks till we get past the over 70s.

El Weirdo · 17-02-2021 05:03PM

is_that_so wrote: »

Nobody has claimed that it is almost completed, Group 2 is.

Except this poster who I was originally replying to.

Icantthinkof1 wrote: »

Seeing as group 4 are nearly completed I wonder will the vulnerable under the age of 65 get the AZ vaccine next or will they have to wait for Pfizer’s/ J&J pending approval

Icantthinkof1 · 17-02-2021 05:16PM

El Weirdo wrote: »

Except this poster who I was originally replying to.

Apologies I thought group 4 were nearly all but done, my mistake

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