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Covid 19 Part XXXII-215,743 ROI (4,137 deaths)111,166 NI (2,036 deaths)(22/02)Read OP

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  • #6782
    political analyst
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,058 ✭✭✭political analyst


    According to The Irish Times, Micheál Martin said that the UK variant of the virus meant that it's not safe enough to let hairdressers resume business.

    If the customer wears a mask and the hairdresser wears a mask and a visor then how can infection occur? The precautionary measures either work or they don't.


  • #6783
    wadacrack
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,172 ✭✭✭wadacrack


    political analyst wrote: »
    According to The Irish Times, Micheál Martin said that the UK variant of the virus meant that it's not safe enough to let hairdressers resume business.

    If the customer wears a mask and the hairdresser wears a mask and a visor then how can infection occur? The precautionary measures either work or they don't.

    They mitigate risk not eliminate it.


  • #6784
    mloc123
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,445 ✭✭✭mloc123


    political analyst wrote: »
    According to The Irish Times, Micheál Martin said that the UK variant of the virus meant that it's not safe enough to let hairdressers resume business.

    If the customer wears a mask and the hairdresser wears a mask and a visor then how can infection occur? The precautionary measures either work or they don't.

    The UK variant is an easy excuse for Martin to roll out each time...


  • #6785
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 1,839 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    political analyst wrote: »
    According to The Irish Times, Micheál Martin said that the UK variant of the virus meant that it's not safe enough to let hairdressers resume business.

    If the customer wears a mask and the hairdresser wears a mask and a visor then how can infection occur? The precautionary measures either work or they don't.

    But safe for schools to go BACK?


  • #6786
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    mloc123 wrote: »
    The UK variant is an easy excuse for Martin to roll out each time...
    I'd give that answer every time the hairdresser question came up!


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  • #6787
    mloc123
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,445 ✭✭✭mloc123


    Deleted User wrote: »
    But safe for schools to go BACK?

    These threads go in circles...

    Like always, it is about prioritising things that are important to society. People can live without haircuts for a few months.. it is more important that kids are educated, houses are built etc...

    You trade off one for the other.


  • #6788
    political analyst
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,058 ✭✭✭political analyst


    Deleted User wrote: »
    But safe for schools to go BACK?

    They will be re-opened on a phased basis. By the way, there is greater distance between teacher and pupil and among pupils than there is between a customer and a hairdresser.


  • #6789
    KrustyUCC
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,086 ✭✭✭KrustyUCC


    political analyst wrote: »
    According to The Irish Times, Micheál Martin said that the UK variant of the virus meant that it's not safe enough to let hairdressers resume business.

    If the customer wears a mask and the hairdresser wears a mask and a visor then how can infection occur? The precautionary measures either work or they don't.

    Just a convenient excuse for Martin

    Last year we were amongst the slowest in Europe to reopen hairdressers

    They were amongst the first to open in places like Denmark in April yet ours weren't open until 29th of June

    Nothing has changed in relation to Tony & NPHET being against hairdressers unfortunately

    It will prob be June again the way things are going


  • #6790
    mloc123
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,445 ✭✭✭mloc123


    KrustyUCC wrote: »
    Nothing has changed in relation to Tony & NPHET being against hairdressers unfortunately

    Nothing to do with Martin, Donelly and Hollohan all being bald :pac:


  • #6791
    political analyst
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,058 ✭✭✭political analyst


    mloc123 wrote: »
    These threads go in circles...

    Like always, it is about prioritising things that are important to society. People can live without haircuts for a few months.. it is more important that kids are educated, houses are built etc...

    You trade off one for the other.

    What happens with regard to school rules about ensuring that hair is kept short? What happens with regard to those people who have jobs for which haircuts are essential, i.e. policing, military?


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  • #6792
    mloc123
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,445 ✭✭✭mloc123


    political analyst wrote: »
    What happens with regard to school rules about ensuring that hair is kept short? What happens with regard to those people who have jobs for which haircuts are essential, i.e. policing, military?

    Buy a hair trimmer...

    But in reality.. I am sure most places are accomadating in this "new normal"


  • #6793
    political analyst
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,058 ✭✭✭political analyst


    mloc123 wrote: »
    Buy a hair trimmer...

    But electrical goods shops are closed.


  • #6794
    KrustyUCC
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,086 ✭✭✭KrustyUCC


    mloc123 wrote: »
    Buy a hair trimmer...

    Like Leo was joking about


  • #6795
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    political analyst wrote: »
    But electrical goods shops are closed.
    Boots is not!


  • #6796
    mloc123
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,445 ✭✭✭mloc123


    political analyst wrote: »
    But electrical goods shops are closed.

    They are not :) They are considered an essential shop


  • #6797
    Coybig_
    Closed Accounts Posts: 454 ✭✭Coybig_


    They will struggle to get the numbers to where they want them to be.

    People are immensely fatigued by lockdowns and people are less likely to abide by restrictions as the weeks go by with us remaining in level 5.

    The relentlessly negative messaging from government is going to lead to more nihilistic behaviours.

    People are aware that Covid is not as dangerous as people thought it might be when the images from Italy were released.

    Little surprise to see clusters among students reported today, I expect we will see more of that as the weeks go by and young people start ignoring restrictions more.

    Us getting case numbers down to what they were last Summer is unlikely.

    As more elderly and vulnerable become vaccinated people will take their chances more and more. The finger wagging from Tony and NPHET is not going to stop this.


  • #6798
    blowitupref
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,164 ✭✭✭blowitupref


    950 less positive swabs this week compared to last. 5.5% the 7 day positivity rate, last Tuesday it was 5.9%.


  • #6799
    iamwhoiam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,265 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    political analyst wrote: »
    They will be re-opened on a phased basis. By the way, there is greater distance between teacher and pupil and among pupils than there is between a customer and a hairdresser.

    And education is far more vital than a hair cut . They need to prioritise now


  • #6800
    fits
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,073 ✭✭✭✭fits


    iamwhoiam wrote: »
    And education is far more vital than a hair cut . They need to prioritise now

    Indeed. We really need to reopen the schools and their normal operation cannot be put at risk again.


  • #6801
    Bananaleaf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,923 ✭✭✭Bananaleaf


    Hi all

    Can anyone tell me what the rule is regarding 'bubbles'?

    My dad lives 20km away and lives alone. I've not formed a bubble with anyone else and would like to go and see him.

    Is this allowed? Can't believe I am typing this :(


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  • #6802
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 10,049 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Bananaleaf wrote: »
    Hi all

    Can anyone tell me what the rule is regarding 'bubbles'?

    My dad lives 20km away and lives alone. I've not formed a bubble with anyone else and would like to go and see him.

    Is this allowed? Can't believe I am typing this :(

    Yes it is. Assuming he is not in a household bubble with someone else. I have visited my mother on a number of occasions since level 5 started and she is 2 hours away in a different county


  • #6803
    fits
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,073 ✭✭✭✭fits


    Bananaleaf wrote: »
    Hi all

    Can anyone tell me what the rule is regarding 'bubbles'?

    My dad lives 20km away and lives alone. I've not formed a bubble with anyone else and would like to go and see him.

    Is this allowed? Can't believe I am typing this :(

    I would consider that caring needs as well. People can’t be expected to be isolated for so long.


  • #6804
    0gac3yjefb5sv7
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,945 ✭✭✭0gac3yjefb5sv7


    Bananaleaf wrote: »
    Hi all

    Can anyone tell me what the rule is regarding 'bubbles'?

    My dad lives 20km away and lives alone. I've not formed a bubble with anyone else and would like to go and see him.

    Is this allowed? Can't believe I am typing this :(

    100pc! You can go every hour, don't be worrying about cases like this. I'd keep distance etc and use a mask though at the house unless you have been isolating too.


  • #6805
    Bananaleaf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,923 ✭✭✭Bananaleaf


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Yes it is. Assuming he is not in a household bubble with someone else. I have visited my mother on a number of occasions since level 5 started and she is 2 hours away in a different county
    fits wrote: »
    I would consider that caring needs as well. People can’t be expected to be isolated for so long.
    MattS1 wrote: »
    100pc! You can go every hour, don't be worrying about cases like this. I'd keep distance etc and use a mask though at the house unless you have been isolating too.

    Thanks all. Yeah he has no bubble with anyone else either. Has met my brothers for socially distant walks but they are within the 5km and I'm not.

    I've been isolating with the exception of doing food shopping once a fortnight, but I'd still wear a mask as he is in the vulnerable category.

    Thanks everyone - will go to see him this week so :)


  • #6806
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,121 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Bananaleaf wrote: »
    Hi all

    Can anyone tell me what the rule is regarding 'bubbles'?

    My dad lives 20km away and lives alone. I've not formed a bubble with anyone else and would like to go and see him.

    Is this allowed? Can't believe I am typing this :(

    Go.

    Even if it were not permitted (which I think it is anyway) I would not be stopping myself from seeing him, when there is a crowd of teenagers on the street and families and friends on my estate going in and out of each others houses all the time.


  • #6807
    fits
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,073 ✭✭✭✭fits


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Go.

    Even if it were not permitted (which I think it is anyway) I would not be stopping myself from seeing him, when there is a crowd of teenagers on the street and families and friends on my estate going in and out of each others houses all the time.

    It’s not even that but it’s really important for everyone and particular older people to have social contacts. A family member of mine cocooned last spring and ended up in hospital with anxiety causing physical symptoms.


  • #6808
    Tork
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,635 ✭✭✭Tork


    Bananaleaf wrote: »
    Hi all

    Can anyone tell me what the rule is regarding 'bubbles'?

    My dad lives 20km away and lives alone. I've not formed a bubble with anyone else and would like to go and see him.

    Is this allowed? Can't believe I am typing this :(

    Who or what will stop you? Can you explain what you think might happen? I'm in a bubble with my parents who live in an adjoining county. I have yet to have any problems from the gardaí when they stop me at checkpoints. When asked, I tell them that I'm doing some shopping for them (which is true) and I get waved on. They don't know me or my parents from Adam so I could be making up lies for all anyone knows. Nobody else I know is leaving their parents isolated either. It might be something your peers just haven't said out loud.


  • #6809
    Bananaleaf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,923 ✭✭✭Bananaleaf


    Tork wrote: »
    Who or what will stop you? Can you explain what you think might happen? I'm in a bubble with my parents who live in an adjoining county. I have yet to have any problems from the gardaí when they stop me at checkpoints. When asked, I tell them that I'm doing some shopping for them (which is true) and I get waved on. They don't know me or my parents from Adam so I could be making up lies for all anyone knows. Nobody else I know is leaving their parents isolated either. It might be something your peers just haven't said out loud.

    I just wasn't sure if it was allowed and I didn't want to get a fine and turned back for my troubles if it's not allowed. People were going running in a park that is located 1km outside of our 5k radius and they were fined and sent home. I know that's not the same as going to see my dad, but I'm just not sure what you can and can't do anymore. I was very good at keeping on top of the restrictions at the beginning, but I genuinely can't keep track anymore.


  • #6810
    paulie21
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,542 ✭✭✭✭paulie21


    744 cases 33 deaths


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  • #6811
    brickster69
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,422 ✭✭✭brickster69


    Great work Ireland. Looks like this bloody lock down is showing some results. It goes up really fast but takes a fair while to come down.

    "if you get on the wrong train, get off at the nearest station, the longer it takes you to get off, the more expensive the return trip will be."



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