Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VIII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

ypres5 wrote: »

the british government are talking about reopening indoor hospitality. the best the mob here are giving us is vague promises about beer gardens, local beaches and even inter county travel is met with awkward silence

They should just say there's a plan coming with vague dates that something might happen...... Seems to be enough to make people in here think Johnson and hancock are competent.

But make sure to mention pubs.

Some people are not being affected financially by this(myself included), also many others this isnt having much of an impact on thier day to day lives(unfortunately i am not in this category).

Until more people are affected by money or are worn down by the drudgery of restrictions they will just keep going and going. After the soundbites of 'possible' inter county travel in the summer im at the stage where i hope there is full scale protests if restrictions arent significantly axed after the over 65s are vaccinated.

Also wonder what would have to happen for the media to turn against restictions?

hynesie08 wrote: »

They should just say there's a plan coming with vague dates that something might happen...... Seems to be enough to make people in here think Johnson and hancock are competent.

But make sure to mention pubs.

Mass vaccinations in the pubs. You might be on to something there. A pint and a jab, with a substantial €9 meal of course, can't be too careful.

JRant wrote: »

Mass vaccinations in the pubs. You might be on to something there. A pint and a jab, with a substantial €9 meal of course, can't be too careful.

Brewdog actually pitched the idea of pubs as MVCs in the uks, but €9 would barely get you a pint in there.

hynesie08 wrote: »

Brewdog actually pitched the idea of pubs as MVCs in the uks, but €9 would barely get you a pint in there.

I popped into their place in Ringends before lockdown. Nice setup but you're spot on about the pricing. The had a chocolate stout for over €9, madness.

ypres5 wrote: »

if you can't see the difference between what the British and irish government's are saying then i don't think there's any point in continuing this discussion. the uk are talking about a PERMANENT end to lockdown whenever that is isn't set in stone yet but this one is meant to be their last. whereas we've been told christmas 21 could be off the cards due to a 4th wave leo pulled out his arse. if you think those messages and approaches are one and the same then i think we should just leave it here especially when your argument is based around you nor liking certain UK cabinet members and piers morgan.

Impossible to say anything for certain.

The world is in a deep crisis and I don't think it's as simple as you are suggesting. The timeframes bandied about are, in my opinion, hopelessly optimistic and have been from the start.

The public need to understand the scope of the problem we face. Not be told lies about certainties that can not be given by any country.

We have a long way to go.

Best case is a good chunk of restrictions can be done away with this year.

That's what I hope.

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Impossible to say anything for certain.

The world is in a deep crisis and I don't think it's as simple as you are suggesting. The timeframes bandied about are, in my opinion, hopelessly optimistic and have been from the start.

The public need to understand the scope of the problem we face. Not be told lies about certainties that can not be given by any country.

We have a long way to go.

Best case is a good chunk of restrictions can be done away with this year.

That's what I hope.

right you'd best get in touch with the british government and tell them to stall the ball let me know how it goes

hynesie08 wrote: »

That's a lot of caveats, almost like it's not set in stone.....


Still clinging to that one, hilarious how what was said about not knowing what lies ahead was almost repeated ad verbatim by boris, but he mentioned the pubs so....



I think both sets of government are equally clueless.

Better than the argument being around pub roofs, but at least you don't want the borders closed except for the sesh like dj2.....

sorry but i don't have a clue what the last part of your post is referring to. also someone else sent you on the article quoting what varadkar said about Christmas 21 and i had actually understated what he said. also i suggest you watch bbc news and then swap over to rte to see the world of difference in tone and message between both governments. this has been back and forth since this afternoon so im just going to leave it here

ypres5 wrote: »

or level 5 with 3 shillings and fourpence

TheDoctor wrote: »

The Living with Covid plan... a 5 step plan where you will be one of 5 levels depending on Covid levels.

Or level 3.5.......

Or level 4 plus.....

JRant wrote: »

FFG love a good old 5 point plan. Preferably one they can announce with a lot of fan fare and then proceed to pretend like it doesn't exist. Anyone that puts any faith in whatever guff they release next week needs their head examined.

https://www.facebook.com/manstuff/videos/stephen-donnelly-another-level/652684489003716/

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

This has got to be a pisstake, right? You've never been to a concert, a nightclub, a late bar? Ever been in any building on Camden or Harcourt Street after dark? You almost certainly practised the exact opposite of social distancing if you did.

I meant more in terms of smaller pubs and pre covid nobody gave a crap about social distancing in any of those settings or even thought of it. What has happened was unimaginable 12 months ago

hynesie08 wrote: »

Still clinging to that one, hilarious how what was said about not knowing what lies ahead was almost repeated ad verbatim by boris, but he mentioned the pubs so....

I quoted what Varadkar said earlier, in response to you once again falsely claiming that people were misrepresenting what he said. He said unequivocally that there was a strong likelihood that we'd have to observe social distancing (so no proper Christmas) even if we get critical mass vaccination of 70-80% by September. And so far, nobody has been able to answer the very simple question which arises from that, which I will repeat once again below.

Firstly, once again, the Leo quote. I have emboldened the relevant parts which directly contradict one another:

“My best guess ... is that we’ll have a relatively normal summer in that the shops will be open, personal services will be open and domestic tourism will be a real possibility. And potentially outdoor gatherings of 10 to 15 people, maybe even 50 but nothing beyond that until we have a critical mass vaccinated of 70 to 80 per cent; we’re aiming for September for that.

“There is still a worry about next winter because it does seem there’s a seasonal element to this virus. People are indoors more and you’re 20 times more likely to get it indoors than out. So there will be a concern about a fourth wave of some sort next winter and there will be huge caution about allowing mass gatherings until we get through another winter.

Do you understand why this is contradictory? First of all, no mass gatherings = Christmas Lite, if you will. Let's get that out of the way. No mass gatherings means extremely stunted festivities, so that comment does indeed mean essentially another cancelled Christmas if it does pan out that way.

Secondly, he's saying that we're hoping for a critical mass vaccination by September, and in the same sentence he's saying that we'll be worried about a fourth wave in Winter and will therefore have to continue observing social distancing, IE no gatherings.

So if we do achieve critical mass vaccination by September, why do we have to continue socially distancing and avoiding crowds three months later? Unless the vaccine doesn't work, this is completely nonsensical. It goes against everything we've been told previously about how this works and people have every right to be angry about this.

If mass vaccination doesn't bring an end to social distancing and therefore the return of events involving crowds at close quarters - anything from crowded pubs to nightclub dancefloors and Christmas festivals - then what does? What more do they want, if mass vaccination isn't good enough?

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

I quoted what Varadkar said earlier, in response to you once again falsely claiming that people were misrepresenting what he said. He said unequivocally that there was a strong likelihood that we'd have to observe social distancing (so no proper Christmas) even if we get critical mass vaccination of 70-80% by September. And so far, nobody has been able to answer the very simple question which arises from that, which I will repeat once again below.

Firstly, once again, the Leo quote. I have emboldened the relevant parts which directly contradict one another:

“My best guess ... is that we’ll have a relatively normal summer in that the shops will be open, personal services will be open and domestic tourism will be a real possibility. And potentially outdoor gatherings of 10 to 15 people, maybe even 50 but nothing beyond that until we have a critical mass vaccinated of 70 to 80 per cent; we’re aiming for September for that.

“There is still a worry about next winter because it does seem there’s a seasonal element to this virus. People are indoors more and you’re 20 times more likely to get it indoors than out. So there will be a concern about a fourth wave of some sort next winter and there will be huge caution about allowing mass gatherings until we get through another winter.

Do you understand why this is contradictory? First of all, no mass gatherings = Christmas Lite, if you will. Let's get that out of the way. No mass gatherings means extremely stunted festivities, so that comment does indeed mean essentially another cancelled Christmas if it does pan out that way.

Secondly, he's saying that we're hoping for a critical mass vaccination by September, and in the same sentence he's saying that we'll be worried about a fourth wave in Winter and will therefore have to continue observing social distancing, IE no gatherings.

So if we do achieve critical mass vaccination by September, why do we have to continue socially distancing and avoiding crowds three months later? Unless the vaccine doesn't work, this is completely nonsensical. It goes against everything we've been told previously about how this works and people have every right to be angry about this.

If mass vaccination doesn't bring an end to social distancing and therefore the return of events involving crowds at close quarters - anything from crowded pubs to nightclub dancefloors and Christmas festivals - then what does? What more do they want, if mass vaccination isn't good enough?

this was all said to him earlier today by me and other posters

The proof of the pudding will be in the eating with vaccines. The acid test is whether we continue seeing new waves of infection or not due to new variants or just lack of efficacy when a sufficient number are vaccinated. Too early to see those results in the population yet.

NovemberWren wrote: »

A major new business opportunity is coming now. When pat kenny asked stephen donnelly if there is now a software system now in place to record vaccinations, S.Donnelly affirmed that "Yes. 100%", there is.
Who are the software company contracted to do this.
So, maybe GPs and Pharmacists may access this database, - but will Airlines, etc. also? But will people be stopped with no vaccination?
This may now be a black-market passport bonanza.

by the looks of things private healthcare firm's in the uk might be selling vaccines while Ireland and the eu sit dribbling on their chin. if that's the case I'll be getting the bus to belfast for mine

hynesie08 wrote: »

A cautious reopening? Where else have I heard that?

you must have missed the 5 times I've pointed out the word irreversible to you so far. a guarantee we have not been given here. also note i have also pointed out that the British government haven't spoken about a Christmas 21 lockdown due to a 4th wave at winter but you already know that as i and others have said it about 3 times at this point