Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VIII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

TheDoctor

landofthetree wrote: »

It's mainly obese people under 55 that end up in hospital.

The longer this lockdown continues the higher that number is going to get. There's more of me than last March!

ypres5

hynesie08 wrote: »

So they have given exactly as much information as the Irish government but somehow it's better.....

Genius

last time i checked boris johnson and company weren't the ones talking about a potential 4th wave cancelling Christmas 2021 in January of the same year and telling us the highlight of the summer is visiting a beach in our locality and maybe a beer garden if we're good enough. On the other hand the British government are planning a permanent endgame to restrictions. it's impossible to compare the two government's messages. ours is hopelessly depressing and vaccinations seem to barely play a role in their strategies if they have one at all

JRant

Hector Savage wrote: »

From the full article here - > https://www.bbc.com/news/explainers-55718553



What ???

WHAT ????

W H A T ???
https://youtu.be/EuNg1iWHtgU?t=40

If I am vaccinated, why do I need to ****ing protect myself ????

What's going on here ?

That's an easy one to explain. If the older and more vulnerable groups start galavanting about the place while the younger cohort are still couped up there'll be hell to pay. This way they keep that first group in a state of fear until 60/70% are vaccinated and then take the leash off everything.

fran38

What time are the Garda checkpoints set up at the airport?

ypres5

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

This post is great. I mean you come across as the walking caricature some here claim doesn't exist in relation to pubs

you're one to talk about someone being a caricature kermit to be fair.

doublejobbing 2

hynesie08 wrote: »

So they have given exactly as much information as the Irish government but somehow it's better.....

Genius

Are you a bit slow?

The Brits have dropped serious hints that they intend indoor hospitality to resume in some form by May.

Leo Varadkar has said he is optimistic that we may be able to get to a beer garden in the summer. He gives no hint on what we all want, indoor drinking. "Summer" is ridiculously vague.

Our clowns are not giving us even a hint.

hynesie08

ypres5 wrote: »

last time i checked boris johnson and company weren't the ones talking about a potential 4th wave cancelling Christmas 2021 in January of the same year and telling us the highlight of the summer is visiting a beach in our locality and maybe a beer garden if we're good enough. On the other hand the British government are planning a permanent endgame to restrictions. it's impossible to compare the two government's messages. ours is hopelessly depressing and vaccinations seem to barely play a role in their strategies if they have one at all

You should check again......

At the daily news conference, the prime minister said he aims to cautiously ease coronavirus restrictions in an “irreversible” manner, but conceded he cannot offer a “cast iron guarantee” that England’s third national lockdown will be its last.

The risk is that if you have a large volume of circulation, if you’ve got loads of people, even young people, getting the disease, then a couple of things happen,” he said. “First of all, you have a higher risk of new variants and mutations within the population where the disease is circulating. Secondly, there will also be a greater risk of the disease spreading out into the older groups again.”

Sound familiar?

ypres5

hynesie08 wrote: »

Yeah, and we've got a revised living with covid plan due as well, so what's the difference.

im not holding my breath on that revised plan considering the bits and pieces they've hinted at so far.

JRant

doublejobbing 2 wrote: »

They are dropping serious hints that it is coming. I believe May has been floated. Boris is due to pubish an exit strategy by the 22nd I think.

Leo has said, maybe, beer garden, maybe summer (summer, of course, he might be defining as the warm blast we usually get up until late September which is a good 7 weeks since summer ended)

There is just no hope, and some of them enjoy it.

Do yourself a solid and don't listen to that irresponsible clown Leo. He's come out with some unbelievably stupid things in his time but this past month he's been borderline dangerous with his comments. The man's a spoofer and a dangerous one at that.

landofthetree

hynesie08 wrote: »

Yeah, and we've got a revised living with covid plan due as well, so what's the difference.

We have loads of HSE officials telling us negative stuff. Dr Scally was on Claire Byrne this morning telling us intercounty travel mightn't happen till July if at all.

ypres5

hynesie08 wrote: »

You should check again......

yes but they're coming in with a plan to permanent come out of lockdown whereas we've basically been told the summer is going to be restricted and Christmas 21 is up in the air. What part are you missing

JRant

hynesie08 wrote: »

Yeah, and we've got a revised living with covid plan due as well, so what's the difference.

FFG love a good old 5 point plan. Preferably one they can announce with a lot of fan fare and then proceed to pretend like it doesn't exist. Anyone that puts any faith in whatever guff they release next week needs their head examined.

hynesie08

doublejobbing 2 wrote: »

Are you a bit slow?

The Brits have dropped serious hints that they intend indoor hospitality to resume in some form by May.

Leo Varadkar has said he is optimistic that we may be able to get to a beer garden in the summer. He gives no hint on what we all want, indoor drinking. "Summer" is ridiculously vague.

Our clowns are not giving us even a hint.

Who are these mysterious brits you speak of, because the pm isn't saying that? Did you see it on WhatsApp?

ypres5

doublejobbing 2 wrote: »

Are you a bit slow?

The Brits have dropped serious hints that they intend indoor hospitality to resume in some form by May.

Leo Varadkar has said he is optimistic that we may be able to get to a beer garden in the summer. He gives no hint on what we all want, indoor drinking. "Summer" is ridiculously vague.

Our clowns are not giving us even a hint.

apparently the british gov message of restrictions coming to an end and the irish gov message of restrictions continuing through into the summer and into christmas and 2022 are the exact same message

TheDoctor

hynesie08 wrote: »

Yeah, and we've got a revised living with covid plan due as well, so what's the difference.

The Living with Covid plan... a 5 step plan where you will be one of 5 levels depending on Covid levels.

Or level 3.5.......

Or level 4 plus.....

ypres5

hynesie08 wrote: »

Who are these mysterious brits you speak of, because the pm isn't saying that? Did you see it on WhatsApp?

matt hancock was talking about a return to normal today on the radio you might have heard of him

Kermit.de.frog

landofthetree wrote: »

We have loads of HSE officials telling us negative stuff. .

Would you rather they lied to you in an effort to cheer you up?

ypres5

TheDoctor wrote: »

The Living with Covid plan... a 5 step plan where you will be one of 5 levels depending on Covid levels.

Or level 3.5.......

Or level 4 plus.....

or level 5 with 3 shillings and fourpence

JRant

hynesie08 wrote: »

You should check again......





Sound familiar?

Indeeding it does. The big bad VARIANTS waiting in the backdrop to pounce once we let our guard down.

ypres5

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Would you rather they lied to you in an effort to cheer you up?

are you implying their british counterparts are lying to the public there?

JRant

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

This post is great. I mean you come across as the walking caricature some here claim doesn't exist in relation to pubs

You must be gumming for a pint Kermit

Psychedelic Hedgehog

Anyone taking Boris and MH seriously needs their head examined, TBH. They're playing the populist card, just like they've always done.

ypres5

Psychedelic Hedgehog wrote: »

Anyone taking Boris and MH seriously needs their head examined, TBH. They're playing the populist card, just like they've always done.

i don't think even they would talk up a return to normal they way they have and not follow through unless something absolutely catastrophic happened. the fallout would nearly bring down the government there

hynesie08

ypres5 wrote: »

apparently the british gov message of restrictions coming to an end and the irish gov message of restrictions continuing through into the summer and into christmas and 2022 are the exact same message

Hopeful of a reopening in the summer and cautious of the winter is the same message from both governments.

Boris has literally said "the earliest possible dates we might possibly be able to do something" and that's a Guarentee to some people.

ypres5

JRant wrote: »

Indeeding it does. The big bad VARIANTS waiting in the backdrop to pounce once we let our guard down.

now now the st kitts and nevis variant is no laughing matter. everyone who gets infected is left with a permanent brummie accent. those affected may never recover...

wakka12

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

Argument for a different thread but honestly I'd be heavily inclined to agree, this isn't just a rolling one's eyes issue anymore - when I was growing up in the 90s and 00s, it felt like society was in a much, much better place with regard to demographic blindness, live and let live mentality, etc. The attempts to divide people into "us vs them" battle mentalities on identity grounds which began in the early 2010s, in my view directly precipitated by a desire for increased controversy and therefore increased advertising revenue has set society back massively.

It's caused people who hitherto didn't care one way or another about race or gender to think about it in a hostile and argumentative way when it comes up, which just wasn't the cast ten years ago - and it's all because a small but very vocal cohort of "journalists" realised that pushing inflammatory headlines targeting this group this week and that group next week caused their articles to be shared with a virality rivalling that of Corona itself.

Point being, the media in my view has a lot to answer for in terms of its behaviour over the last ten years. The abandonment of objective, facts-based reporting in favour of pushing one agenda or another, whether you believe that to be for commercial or ideological reasons, has caused an unimaginable amount of social upheaval and destroyed peoples' trust in the press, which is one of several reasons anti mask, anti vax, covid denialism has found such an easy foothold in Western society.

There was a time when large swathes of the public were not openly hostile to the media, because they'd never been given a reason to be. The media has persistently done that over the last decade, and as a result, we currently exist in a vaccuum of accountability and trust. That's not a good thing when we're trying to co-ordinate a society-wide response to the current mess.

And more importantly, to circle back to the original argument, it really is harming people. The kind of stuff Claire Byrne keeps entertaining is fuelling the "we're never getting out of this, I'm never going to hug or kiss another human again" mentality which I've personally seen among people close to me over the last few weeks.

Nearly deserves it's own thread! Really sums up some feelings I've had on that but never been able to express

hynesie08

ypres5 wrote: »

matt hancock was talking about a return to normal today on the radio you might have heard of him

This the same matt Hancock who was made a show of by piers Morgan? He's your trusted source.......

JRant

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Would you rather they lied to you in an effort to cheer you up?

They lie all the time. May as well throw a little positivity into their lies from time to time.

ypres5

hynesie08 wrote: »

Hopeful of a reopening in the summer and cautious of the winter is the same message from both governments.

Boris has literally said "the earliest possible dates we might possibly be able to do something" and that's a Guarentee to some people.

the british government are talking about reopening indoor hospitality. the best the mob here are giving us is vague promises about beer gardens, local beaches and even inter county travel is met with awkward silence

ypres5

hynesie08 wrote: »

This the same matt Hancock who was made a show of by piers Morgan? He's your trusted source.......

he's minister for health so i imagine he has his finger on the pulse. i get it tories bad but the government in the uk are hardly saying this with no scientific backing.