Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VIII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

Jinglejangle69

[Deleted User] wrote: »

So a few days back, I had sent an email to all TDs. Just wanted to give an update on that. I have received 2 responses so far.

1) David Cullinane from Sinn Fein. He understood my frustration but thinks government didn’t do enough. Was talking about 0 Covid more or less and an all island approach.

2) Matt Shanahan Independent. He fully agreed and wants the nonsense to end.

Fair play to both for responding at least

Sinn Féin agreed with the lifting at Xmas and called for the pubs to be open in November!!

What's David on about????

Boggles

Klonker wrote: »

Bulgaria currently have similar rate of cases as here and higher hospital, ICU and positivity rates

They do, but there is an important caveat, there incidence rate is on a upward trajectory.

They went into lockdown including closing all schools in November.

As for the PM's assertion that they are 26th in Europe for mortality, that's just plain false.

The European Centre for Disease Prevention and Control (ECDC) has said that the epidemiological situation in Europe is still of “serious concern" and that easing lockdown measures prematurely "will lead to a rapid increase" in Covid-19 cases and deaths

Hopefully they are not been foolish but I can't see them having good outcomes in 6 weeks time.

growleaves

A fair few people switched to Independents in the 2011 election. Precisely in order to have people in the Dáil who would stand apart from the big party machines after what happened with the bank bailouts.

Kermit.de.frog

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Sinn Féin agreed with the lifting at Xmas and called for the pubs to be open in November!!

What's David on about????

And where did the opening up prior to Christmas land us in the space of 14 days?

From among the lowest rate of incidence in the world to the highest.

You can't get a bigger warning than that as to price of bad policy making.

dalyboy

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Sinn Féin agreed with the lifting at Xmas and called for the pubs to be open in November!!

What's David on about????

Flip flop politicians.
Obviously David (and sin fein) are true believers in our “independent polls” showing 95% in favour of restrictions.
They want to be everyone’s champion but in reality are as weak and feeble as the shower in charge.

SheepsClothing

dalyboy wrote: »

Flip flop politicians.
Obviously David (and sin fein) are true believers in our “independent polls” showing 95% in favour of restrictions.
They want to be everyone’s champion but in reality are as weak and feeble as the shower in charge.

Is "independent polls" the new tower 7?

dalyboy

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

And where did the opening up prior to Christmas land us in the space of 14 days?

From among the lowest rate of incidence in the world to the highest.

You can't get a bigger warning than that as to price of bad policy making.

Maybe if NPHET engaged their brains in October and had left the country in an already becoming effective level 3 until Xmas there wouldn’t have been a huge outpouring of pented up demand come December.

Level 5 call in October is the sole reason we had such a surge at the end of December and January and that is squarely on NPHET.

dalyboy

SheepsClothing wrote: »

Is "independent polls" the new tower 7?

F
Weak
Very weak attempt.
Try harder

Loafing Oaf

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Sinn Féin agreed with the lifting at Xmas and called for the pubs to be open in November!!

What's David on about????

Are political parties not allowed to admit they made a mistake and change course?

ypres5

Penfailed wrote: »

Johnson also said he can't offer a cast iron guarantee that it would be the last lockdown. He's lies constantly and is full of bluff and bluster. I don't believe a word that comes out of his mouth. Did you see what he said to the DUP and then what he actually did?

i know full well what a ****bag Johnson is but not even he would risk pissing off the british public by telling them restrictions are coming to an end and then taking it back unless it was absolutely necessary. it would be political suicide that could lead to riots. they're drafting a plan and i see no reason why they're not going to see it through especially considering how outspoken so many conservative mps have been about their distaste for lockdowns and the amount of power scientists in sage have been given.

ypres5

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

Are political parties not allowed to admit they made a mistake and change course?

it's more so that SF are engaging in a chairman mao style rewriting of history to make out they were always against the Christmas reopening, which they weren't

Penfailed

ypres5 wrote: »

i know full well what a ****bag Johnson is but not even he would risk pissing off the british public by telling them restrictions are coming to an end and then taking it back unless it was absolutely necessary. it would be political suicide that could lead to riots. they're drafting a plan and i see no reason why they're not going to see it through especially considering how outspoken so many conservative mps have been about their distaste for lockdowns and the amount of power scientists in sage have been given.

He's saying that once they are out of lockdown they won't be back in one again...and then he says they can't guarantee that. He's speaking out of both sides of his mouth and covering all bases.

RobitTV

Boris Johnson says rapid testing could pave the way for nightclubs to re-open Link

Rapid coronavirus testing could pave the way for nightclubs and theatres to re-open, Boris Johnson has claimed.

Speaking at a Downing Street press conference, the Prime Minister said “rapid” lateral flow tests could be used by “those parts of the economy” that were unable to reopen their doors last year.

The UK is considering rapid coronavirus testing for the entertainment industry to allow mass gatherings to resume later this year in situations where social distancing is impractical or uneconomical.

However, Johnson stressed that it was “still early days” and said there was “lots of discussions still to be had”.

Kermit.de.frog

dalyboy wrote: »

Maybe if NPHET engaged their brains in October and had left the country in an already becoming effective level 3 until Xmas there wouldn’t have been a huge outpouring of pented up demand come December.

Level 5 call in October is the sole reason we had such a surge at the end of December and January and that is squarely on NPHET.

The restrictions were put in in October to stop the surge then. There was no alternative.

It's an inescapable reality that when you lower restrictions to a certain point you get a new surge that requires even stricter counter measures than you had in the first place.

ThunbergsAreGo

BTownB wrote: »

Matt Shanahan impressing me recently. Between this and being the only TD in Waterford asking the hard questions on the University for the South East.

David Cullinane is a good politician but he is health spokesperson so primary concern is appearing more competent than Donnelly (not hard). Basically finger pointing when Gov get things wrong (like Christmas) and saying we want harder longer lockdowns.... That's not a viable option.

I usually vote Soc Dems /Labour but they are worse again.... No anti-lockdown political party.

It is really surprising none have emerged.

Lockdowns must be alot more popular in the general public than out here.

Even one asking for a more balanced approach would be welcome

ypres5

Penfailed wrote: »

He's saying that once they are out of lockdown they won't be back in one again...and then he says they can't guarantee that. He's speaking out of both sides of his mouth and covering all bases.

but they're in a position to come out of lockdown as they've their critical mass given their first shot. deaths amongst the 85+ demographic are down 35% already. whatever else they've handled the vaccinations brilliantly so i don't see why johnson will need to back track

ArthurDayne

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

The restrictions were put in in October to stop the surge then. There was no alternative.

It's an inescapable reality that when you lower restrictions to a certain point you get a new surge that requires even stricter counter measures than you had in the first place.

Thus calling into question the nature of the restriction strategy and leaning in favour of the argument that lockdowns (of the type and length we have had here) only prolong the agony rather than resolve it.

The “inescapable reality” you refer to is precisely what many critics of the lockdown strategy had been saying from the start. They were ostracised from the debate because there was a general belief among the populace that we would flatten the curve, ramp up capacity, and by Christmas it would all be fairly normal again. People may not have been so amenable to what was done if they had been more inclined to listen to those who correctly argued that the justifications used for lockdown would set an inescapable moral and political threshold which led us into a crippling cycle.

dalyboy

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

The restrictions were put in in October to stop the surge then. There was no alternative.

It's an inescapable reality that when you lower restrictions to a certain point you get a new surge that requires even stricter counter measures than you had in the first place.

There was an alternative though.

Going from level 3 to level 5 was a sledge hammer swing by Tony H .
Glynn etc maintained Level 3 was effective on the Thursday and were overruled the following Monday.

We could have stayed the course on level 3.

The inescapable reality is that NPHET , the government and pro lockdowners believe that humans are some kind of programmable robots. They didn’t take into account that people would celebrate HARDER if the window of less restrictions was compressed into a few weeks in December.

Even a child would know this would be a disaster come December.

wordisbond

What are people's plans for level 3 (Or whatever the new levels are when the 5km is dropped and travel is within county)?

From the last level 3 I was able to play a bit of golf, go to the driving range, have a swim in a pool, have a haircut, hike in the hills, get into the nearest urban area for a walk around and a bit of takeaway food/shopping. I think I went to the cinema too but not sure if that was level 3. Was a long time ago.

Anybody any interesting plans for within their own county once level 5 eases off?

ShyMets

wordisbond wrote: »

What are people's plans for level 3 (Or whatever the new levels are when the 5km is dropped and travel is within county)?

From the last level 3 I was able to play a bit of golf, go to the driving range, have a swim in a pool, have a haircut, hike in the hills, get into the nearest urban area for a walk around and a bit of takeaway food/shopping. I think I went to the cinema too but not sure if that was level 3. Was a long time ago.

Anybody any interesting plans for within their own county once level 5 eases off?

Not making plans just yet. I suspect we'll be in Level 5 until after Easter

TheDoctor

growleaves wrote: »

A fair few people switched to Independents in the 2011 election. Precisely in order to have people in the Dáil who would stand apart from the big party machines after what happened with the bank bailouts.

I’ve thought of the same unfortunately the “independents” in my constituency are former party men who lets say were asked to leave

wordisbond

ShyMets wrote: »

Not making plans just yet. I suspect we'll be in Level 5 until after Easter

Yeah, hard to know alright. I'm a planner though. Helps me get through the current restrictions a bit, even if they will be around for another while.

Del Griffith

Great news from Holland

https://twitter.com/spectatorindex/status/1361619651491373058?s=20

Hellrazer

Del Griffith wrote: »

Great news from Holland

https://twitter.com/spectatorindex/status/1361619651491373058?s=20

We`ll still take it from behind for another 12 weeks!!!

ThunbergsAreGo

wordisbond wrote: »

What are people's plans for level 3 (Or whatever the new levels are when the 5km is dropped and travel is within county)?

From the last level 3 I was able to play a bit of golf, go to the driving range, have a swim in a pool, have a haircut, hike in the hills, get into the nearest urban area for a walk around and a bit of takeaway food/shopping. I think I went to the cinema too but not sure if that was level 3. Was a long time ago.

Anybody any interesting plans for within their own county once level 5 eases off?

Pretty much similar, hopefully be a continued increase in nice weather so spend time outdoors in the places like Ardgillian Castle etc.

Ideally a few games of 5 a side

Loafing Oaf

BTownB wrote: »

Basically finger pointing when Gov get things wrong (like Christmas) and saying we want harder longer lockdowns.... That's not a viable option.

I usually vote Soc Dems /Labour but they are worse again.... No anti-lockdown political party.

Do you think parties' handling of the pandemic will have a significant infuence on how people vote at the next general election?

facehugger99

Del Griffith wrote: »

Great news from Holland

https://twitter.com/spectatorindex/status/1361619651491373058?s=20

Must be great to live in a democracy.

Hellrazer

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

Do you think parties' handling of the pandemic will have a significant infuence on how people vote at the next general election?

Oh yeah - Ill be voting for anyone but FF/FG/GREENS/SF - Ill probably just go Independents as a protest vote.

Loafing Oaf

Hellrazer wrote: »

Oh yeah - Ill be voting for anyone but FF/FG/GREENS/SF - Ill probably just go Independents as a protest vote.

Seriously? I think most people are looking to the future when they vote in a GE, and I don't think covid policies will have much bearing on anything going forward.

growleaves

Hopefully Switzerland will outlaw lockdowns this summer.

Legal actions being taken in Northern Ireland and Scotland as well.