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Covid 19 Part XXXII-215,743 ROI (4,137 deaths)111,166 NI (2,036 deaths)(22/02)Read OP

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  • #6482
    Deusexmachina
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,294 ✭✭✭Deusexmachina


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    You said you can train to vaccinate from online learning. Did you forget? If you going to respond in such a ridiculous manner i have no interest in dealing with your nonsense.

    Ah relax. You had worded your response ambiguously "Can you train to observe people after you vaccinate them online" and I was replying in a friendly manner.

    In regards to the substance of our discussion, I currently inject myself weekly with a biologic medication.
    I was trained to self administer. The training took about 15 mins. I have been doing this for many years. If I have a problem, I can always call my GP (I have never had to).
    The 'click pen' style of injection delivery method is pretty much foolproof.

    So - why do we need to insist it is only healthcare workers who can administer the covid vaccine? This is a national emergency - let's be open minded and innovative. The quicker we are, the more lives we will save.


  • #6483
    Deusexmachina
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,294 ✭✭✭Deusexmachina


    Kunta Kinte wrote: »
    Teachers? Why not include plumbers, electricians, bin collectors etc. in your list while you`re at it?

    Sure


  • #6484
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    ginoginelli wrote: »
    Maybe you should read up on Dr Scallys resume and qualifications before you cast aspersions on his character. He is president of epidemiology and public health of "The royal society of medicine". He is a member of SAGE and former director in WHO. He is one of the most respected and knowledgeable physicians in his field.

    It's been a really peculiar phenomenon of this pandemic that the anti restrictions cohort label anybody saying anything they dont like, a quack, or a stooge.

    It's a play straight out of the trump and previous propagandists playbook. It is unfortunately very effective too. So many dummies out there, who are easily led and manipulated, start spouting the same bull**** they see Michael O Leary and other vested interests group proclaiming, where a great man like gabriel scally - who only cares about people not dying - is vilified.

    Strange world we live in.

    McConkey is highly qualified but is viewed by many here on both sides of the divide as being an utter loon.


  • #6485
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Deusexmachina wrote: »
    Ah relax. You had worded your response ambiguously "Can you train to observe people after you vaccinate them online" and I was replying in a friendly manner.

    In regards to the substance of our discussion, I currently inject myself weekly with a biologic medication.
    I was trained to self administer. The training took about 15 mins. I have been doing this for many years. If I have a problem, I can always call my GP (I have never had to).
    The 'click pen' style of injection delivery method is pretty much foolproof.

    So - why do we need to insist it is only healthcare workers who can administer the covid vaccine? This is a national emergency - let's be open minded and innovative. The quicker we are, the more lives we will save.

    Hey feel free to post nonsense , we've already had what if Covid and Ebola had a baby . So suggesting teachers or binman vaccinate people is not out of place here today.


  • #6486
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,121 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    The desperation of RTE and so many people on here to keep up the fear levels and try to scare people into compliance is really something to behold. I'm done with it. Only a few more days until I am out of here anyway, but were I staying I certainly wouldn't be paying mind any more to distance restrictions or limits on meeting up with friends and family.

    Any behavioural scientist would tell you that praise and thanks and a hopeful narrative is more effective in driving positive behaviour than threats and fear. Whether you are bringing up a child or managing a team of professionals or managing the response to a pandemic, the same principles apply. Fear and threats can actually turn people completely away from the message to the point that they start to actively resist....which is where I am at now.

    Had the message for the last few weeks been a positive and hopeful one, I would probably still be prepared to play my part. But now.....no, I'm done


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  • #6487
    Kunta Kinte
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 718 ✭✭✭Kunta Kinte


    Deleted User wrote: »
    I haven't yet met any of my siblings. I have 6 of them in counties like Westmeath, Kildare, Donegal....also the UK and US. Some of them are healthcare workers, some of them had vulnerable family members. So I haven't still met any of them sadly. I'm looking forward to it soon.

    That was down to your personal choice. There were several months last year when you could have travelled to meet them no questions asked. There was not a full year of so called "draconian restrictions" preventing you from doing that like what you are trying and failing to make it out to be.


  • #6488
    iamwhoiam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,264 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    The desperation of RTE and so many people on here to keep up the fear levels and try to scare people into compliance is really something to behold. I'm done with it. Only a few more days until I am out of here anyway, but were I staying I certainly wouldn't be paying mind any more to distance restrictions or meeting up with people.

    Any behavioural scientist would tell you that praise and thanks and a hopeful narrative is more effective in driving positive behaviour than threats and fear. Whether you are bringing up a child or managing a team of professionals or managing the response to a pandemic, the same principles apply. Fear and threats can actually turn people completely away from the message to the point that they start to actively resist....which is where I am at now.

    Had the message for the last few weeks been a positive and hopeful one, I would probably still be prepared to play my part. But now.....no, I'm done

    I agree. If the loose the people they will not be able to convince them and it will lead to more and more doing their own risk assessment and following their gut


  • #6489
    Deusexmachina
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,294 ✭✭✭Deusexmachina


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    Hey feel free to post nonsense , we've already had what if Covid and Ebola had a baby . So suggesting teachers or binman vaccinate people is not out of place here today.

    You are very hostile for some reason.

    Anyway, I have explained that administering injections like this is very straightforward. Anyone with a modicum of intelligence can do it.

    (I know as I do it myself!).

    So, tell me why it is so important that only healthcare workers can do it thus potentially slowing down our vaccination delivery once we have ample stocks?


  • #6490
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Deusexmachina wrote: »
    You are very hostile for some reason.

    Anyway, I have explained that administering injections like this is very straightforward. Anyone with a modicum of intelligence can do it.

    (I know as I do it myself!).

    So, tell me why it is so important that only healthcare workers can do it thus potentially slowing down our vaccination delivery once we have ample stocks?

    Recognition of nonsense is not hostility.


  • #6491
    Deusexmachina
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,294 ✭✭✭Deusexmachina


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    Recognition of nonsense is not hostility.

    How about answering the point instead of curtly dismissing it as 'nonsense'.

    Why does it have to be administered by healthcare workers?

    (Answer - it doesn't).


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  • #6492
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 3,270 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    SheepsClothing wrote: »
    That's not a professional athlete.

    So once you get paid to do a sport, you're less likely to suffer complications?
    Oul cody must have been standing near kryptonite then, that's what it was.

    They're made of carbon like the rest of us, just as organic as you and I, That's some benchmark, you know athletes drop from sudden adult death syndrome as quick as anyone else too right?? They're not immune or less vulnerable because they get paid...

    I'm not saying Covid is like the FLU either BTW, I just have a problem with the swathe of issues now being linked to anyone having Covid-19.
    My aunt was hospitalized recently with dementia and in the end she died from it and complications associated with it. She picked up Covid in the hospital and so it was claimed a COVID Death...


  • #6493
    Kunta Kinte
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 718 ✭✭✭Kunta Kinte


    KrustyUCC wrote: »
    Why deep pockets?

    Current fine is €100

    Nothing to stop that €100 fine being significantly increased if necessary same as the non essential foreign travel one has or soon will be. Anyway those €100 add up if the same people are caught and fined several times.


  • #6494
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Deusexmachina wrote: »

    (Answer - it doesn't).

    In your opinion.


  • #6495
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Kunta Kinte wrote: »
    Nothing to stop that €100 fine being significantly increased if necessary same as the non essential foreign travel one has or soon will be. Anyway those €100 add up if the same people are caught and fined several times.

    Has any politician suggested increasing the €100 fine?
    Btw did you get a chance to look at the list for essential travel both on the island and offm


  • #6496
    Deusexmachina
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,294 ✭✭✭Deusexmachina


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    In your opinion.

    No - in my experience and in the experience of many thousands who have to self administer injections every day in Ireland.

    What is your issue with this?


  • #6497
    Kunta Kinte
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 718 ✭✭✭Kunta Kinte


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    Tend a grave, to get essential home maintenance products ,provide care for a family member. It's actually a fairly long list of allowed reasons. Easily found online if you want to look.
    Even essential dental care has allowed people to head to Tenerife.

    A loophole that will be closed sooner or later if deemed necessary.


  • #6498
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 232 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Deleted User wrote: »
    that stooge was Dr Gabriel (Hysteria) Scally. He also suggested Covid is now being spread in supermarkets, that we need to wear far more impenetrable medical masks (not the cotton ones) and that "long Covid" is causing huge issues even in children who could end up with disabilities from it...........!! :eek:.....at this point Claire Byrne said "thank you very much as always".

    It sounding more like desperation at this stage, trying to keep people on board. Its not working. Dr Scally is creating his own echo chamber and RTE are desperately hanging in there. The more positivity there is from the UK, the worse the negativity gets here. Its bizarre and the irony is its actually counter productive. People are simply not buying it anymore.

    I suspect the day the first vaccine was administered was not a day Gabriel Scally regarded with great fondness.

    Very soon his name will vanish from the television and radio airwaves and his threats and doom-laden predictions will not be treated by some of our media with the gravity of a prophecy.

    Covid has given some people a platform they will not readily relinquish.


  • #6499
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Kunta Kinte wrote: »
    A loophole that will be closed sooner or later if deemed necessary.

    Ah 'if' I love that word.You seem to be angling for more fines , why?
    It's not a loophole it's an essential reason for travel. If some abuse it it's up to the authorities to deal with the abusers


  • #6500
    Deeper Blue
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,500 ✭✭✭Deeper Blue


    KrustyUCC wrote: »
    Why deep pockets?

    Current fine is €100

    And it's very rarely enforced


  • #6501
    OwenM
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 860 ✭✭✭OwenM


    Kunta Kinte wrote: »
    And you believe that every Garda will accept that cover story at face value?

    They don't have a choice.


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  • #6502
    runawaybishop
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,517 ✭✭✭runawaybishop


    Deusexmachina wrote: »
    You are very hostile for some reason.

    Anyway, I have explained that administering injections like this is very straightforward. Anyone with a modicum of intelligence can do it.

    (I know as I do it myself!).

    So, tell me why it is so important that only healthcare workers can do it thus potentially slowing down our vaccination delivery once we have ample stocks?

    You have added two and two and gotten five. Seamus was comparing scale, you have leaped to 'we don't have enough vaccinators'. We have been preparing to roll out 250k vaccines a week, i we need more vaccinators I am sure we will train people up.


  • #6503
    Turtwig
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    b0nk1e wrote: »
    I suspect the day the first vaccine was administered was not a day Gabriel Scally regarded with great fondness.

    That's just a horrible thing to say. Everyone has the same end goal. You don't need to resort to such crap.

    Scally will be on our airwaves for a long time due to cervical check. It's likely he'll be appointed to other things too.

    Also, for all the denigrating of Scally here he was spot on with what would happen after Christmas.

    But yeah distort people's names, call them doom merchants because you don't like the message.
    I just hope you one day realise how pathetic those actions are.


  • #6504
    Nermal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,850 ✭✭✭Nermal


    ginoginelli wrote: »
    So many dummies out there, who are easily led and manipulated, start spouting the same bull**** they see Michael O Leary and other vested interests group proclaiming, where a great man like gabriel scally - who only cares about people not dying - is vilified.

    That's precisely the problem. We care about things other than not dying.


  • #6505
    KrustyUCC
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,086 ✭✭✭KrustyUCC


    Kunta Kinte wrote: »
    Nothing to stop that €100 fine being significantly increased if necessary same as the non essential foreign travel one has or soon will be. Anyway those €100 add up if the same people are caught and fined several times.

    Sure but the government will have a harder time selling increasing that fine than the foreign travel one

    Particularly if the government is painfully slow in easing restrictions

    Expecting people to not see each other for 6 months + is too big an ask


  • #6506
    KrustyUCC
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,086 ✭✭✭KrustyUCC


    El Sueño wrote: »
    And it's very rarely enforced

    Yup

    If you turn around and do as you're asked most guards won't issue a fine


  • #6507
    Kunta Kinte
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 718 ✭✭✭Kunta Kinte


    KrustyUCC wrote: »
    Yup

    If you turn around and do as you're asked most guards won't issue a fine

    If people do that. If they don`t then they run the risk of being fined like for example the person who was caught and received a fine for being on 2 beaches in east Cork a few weeks ago.


  • #6508
    hotmail.com
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,435 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    Does anyone know if these fines are actually being paid?


  • #6509
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    KrustyUCC wrote: »
    Yup

    If you turn around and do as you're asked most guards won't issue a fine

    The guard will only turn you around if your reason is not valid. There's a long list of what's a valid reason.


  • #6510
    Kunta Kinte
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 718 ✭✭✭Kunta Kinte


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    The guard will only turn you around if your reason is not valid. There's a long list of what's a valid reason.

    And you appear to support people using creative excuses for getting around the travel restrictions. Why is this?


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  • #6511
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Kunta Kinte wrote: »
    And you appear to support people using creative excuses for getting around the travel restrictions. Why is this?

    What creative excuses ? Examples please. Humour me to quote yourself.
    I have said there is a list available online and provided you with examples when you asked. Try not to make unsubstantiated allegations.


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