Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VIII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

What do you want them to do?

Sit back and say there is no point because of all these other people?

There are only 3 options:

1. Get another job

2. Go back to education

3. Start a business

Recessions are part and parcel of life. There is nothing else they can do other than the above if they want to move on.

You seem to be implying it's too hard and we'll just blame the pandemic.

It goes right back to my point about about being equipped for crisis. I believe there is an entire generation hopelessly ill equipped. You are just proving it with your posts.

Most just get on with it in my experience.

I've lost jobs in seemingly hopeless situations. The situation is never hopeless.

you can keep your assumptions about me to yourself. dismissing people's careers and livelihoods doesn't make you better equipped for crisis than me or anyone else it just makes you look snobbish more than anything else

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Explain how hotels (!), restaurants and bars will be doing plenty of business.

I look forward to this one.

Okay.

A diner walks into a restaurant and is seated at a table by a 'waiter'. This 'waiter' gives the diner a menu with prices and food listings and allows them to order food. Said food is brought to the table and the diner eats it.

Finally, the diner pays for the meal and exits the restaurant.

TL:DR Money can be exchanged for goods and services.

growleaves wrote: »

Okay.

A diner walks into a restaurant and is seated at a table by a 'waiter'. This 'waiter' gives the diner a menu with prices and food listings and allows them to order food. Said food is brought to the table and the diner eats it.

Finally, the diner pays for the meal and exits the restaurant.

TL:DR Money can be exchanged for goods and services.

So how are they distanced?

Or do you think there is a massive cohort of people out there who will sit in packed restaurants or bars with strangers breathing on them like it was 2019? Is that what you believe?

Also who will stay in the hotels that you want open?

ypres5 wrote: »

im guessing he's one of those irish people who looks down his nose at Slavic countries there's plenty who do

Possibly.
Maybe those underdeveloped Slavic countries are already acting on what seemed obvious to most here in Ireland too:

“ It is predicted by the OECD that the current cohort of children in grades 1-12 can expect a 3% lower income over their lifetime. Children from disadvantaged backgrounds will be more severely impacted. Longer school closures will lower future potentials and incomes even further.”

“This data is very robust. It’s based on extensive research showing that each additional year of schooling increases an individual’s life income by 7.5% – 10%. The strong correlation between years of schooling and income is probably one of the most robust findings of all empirical economic research.”

Source: https://www.thejournal.ie/problems-with-schooling-from-home-5352807-Feb2021/

I hear a lot that kids will catchup. Most will not. Looks to me that Poland are doing the right thing by making sure kids get back to proper education as soon as it is possible and that there is no more interruptions.

ypres5 wrote: »

you can keep your assumptions about me to yourself. dismissing people's careers and livelihoods doesn't make you better equipped for crisis than me or anyone else it just makes you look snobbish more than anything else

You either accept reality or you don't. There are only three choices for people who lose their jobs as i've laid out.

Nothing snobbish about it.

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Life is now similar to being in jail

Hyperbole at it's finest. Ludicrous.

growleaves wrote: »

Okay.

A diner walks into a restaurant and is seated at a table by a 'waiter'. This 'waiter' gives the diner a menu with prices and food listings and allows them to order food. Said food is brought to the table and the diner eats it.

Finally, the diner pays for the meal and exits the restaurant.

TL:DR Money can be exchanged for goods and services.

And that is exactly what drives the money velocity, and consequently gdp. No point of printing money otherwise. Other than of course to reduce the probability of demonstrations and riots.

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

So how are they distanced?

Or do you think there is a massive cohort of people out there who will sit in packed restaurants or bars with strangers breathing on them like it was 2019? Is that what you believe?

Also who will stay in the hotels that you want open?

You couldn't get a hotel room during last summer such was the demand. There are plenty of people who would currently love to get a weekend/mid week break.

You seem to only see the world through your limited view point.
There are lots of people not like you who think differently behave differently and want to get back to a normal life without fear.

growleaves wrote: »

Open them under Level 3 conditions and they can be as full as possible under those limited arrangements then.

By the way I've never had a stranger breathe on me *at a restaurant* How closely together do you think people sat in 2019? You didn't get strangers sitting on your lap.

So the hotels are to open and drain even more money with empty rooms that puts them out of business faster.

And the restaurants and bars are to open and bleed capital on 20% occupancy at the very optimistic end of the scale and they go out of business faster.

It all ends the same way.

All these hospitality businesses are better off shut right now when you drill down in to it.

That's why so many refused to open for Christmas. Not worth it.

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

All these hospitality businesses are better off shut right now when you drill down in to it.

That's why so many refused to open for Christmas. Not worth it.

Shame for them because where was open, had some great nights out over Xmas.

peterc1991 wrote: »

How is there nothing on the 'science' front if thats a term?

I can't believe i actually have to explain it. Yeah its an arbitrary number but for whatever reason 5km was decided its to keep clusters withing certain areas.


If the shops and pubs are closed but people can just drive around the country and visit friends then the virus will be transmitted more.

What if there is an outbreak in a certain town. Then a few groups of people who are infected but dont know decide to visit family the far side of the country. They stop in a couple of petrol stations on the way and then all of a sudden they have spread it exponentially to a place which didnt have it. Then repeat with the people who have been infected.
Its common sense really

Hysterical rubbish.

robbiezero wrote: »

Hysterical rubbish.

doesn't everyone know petrol stations have been the eye of the storm for covid outbreaks?

Get a degree in the morning, job in the afternoon. Sorted.

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

So the hotels are to open and drain even more money with empty rooms that puts them out of business faster.

And the restaurants and bars are to open and bleed capital on 20% occupancy at the very optimistic end of the scale and they go out of business faster.

It all ends the same way.

You do realise that the government could still offer support to open businesses, especially if they are limiting the number of customers allowed into a premises. That way, people keep an otherwise viable business open, people still have a job to go to, and people have a place to go and enjoy themselves.

Why couldn't this be done?