Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VIII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

SnuggyBear

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

What are those things you have lost that make life not worth living?

What are the democratic freedoms you have lost?

My job? A purpose in life beyond going around the house on my own?

Kermit.de.frog

SnuggyBear wrote: »

My job? A purpose in life beyond going around the house on my own?

You can always get another job, right? People lose jobs all the time. Yes, it's a load of balls and it's hard to take, but does that make life "not worth living"?

No. It's a challenge everyone goes through at one point or another.

I'm not downplaying it btw, it's not a nice place to be, i'm well aware of that.

facehugger99

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

What are those things you have lost that make life not worth living?

What are the democratic freedoms you have lost?

Jesus Christ.

Kermit.de.frog

facehugger99 wrote: »

Jesus Christ.

Ok so you have lost Jesus, what else have you lost?

growleaves

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

It's ok, science is not a guide for some on here either so at least there is consistency

Kermit you have talked about several years of distancing and restrictions. As has Sam McConkey.

Do you what "biologically maladaptive" means? Anything which stops people from passing on their genes is, according to evolutionary biologists, pathological - literally a disease.

Longer-term restrictions are not only indefensible on moral grounds, they are insane on any sort of scientific grounds. Genetic suicide.

But you're still denying that the restrictions are even much of a big deal! I don't think anyone believes you on that score, even other pro-restrictionists.

SnuggyBear

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

You can always get another job, right? People lose jobs all the time. Yes, it's a load of balls and it's hard to take, but does that make life "not worth living"?

No. It's a challenge everyone goes through at one point or another.

I'm not downplaying it btw, it's not a nice place to be, i'm well aware of that.

Is this guy for real

iamwhoiam

SnuggyBear wrote: »

Is this guy for real

Of course not

ypres5

JMNolan wrote: »

Yeah... Not sure Poland is the country we should be looking to for guidance on things...

why what's wrong with poland?

Kermit.de.frog

SnuggyBear wrote: »

Is this guy for real

Absolutely. Get another job or go back in to education/training. The government has all kind of supports in place. You have skills? Shouldn't be a problem.

There is nothing unusual about losing a job and having to find another one you know.

walus

JMNolan wrote: »

Yeah... Not sure Poland is the country we should be looking to for guidance on things...

Which countries would you suggest we look to for guidance?

ypres5

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Absolutely. Get another job or go back in to education/training. The government has all kind of supports in place. You have skills? Shouldn't be a problem.

There is nothing unusual about losing a job and having to find another one you know.

what about when you have thousands of people doing it at once when businesses are more likely to be letting people go than taking them on ? your advice is hopelessly tone deaf it's borderline parody

Sanjuro

walus wrote: »

Nphet are trying to emulate the success of this strategy in other countries i.e. New Zealand by using whatever there is at their disposal to create conditions in which it can work in Ireland too. That is the reason why we are experiencing these stupid restrictions that are very difficult to logically explain. They don’t have a clue why this strategy worked for NZ and neither do the New Zealanders themselves. There is too many factors spanning across multiple of scientific fields that are at play. Impossible to identify and recreate.

But here we go again - they will target travelling. Yet another thing that NZ naturally benefited from being a very remote location.

The government found themselves in a deep hole. The best they can do is stop digging. Yet they are doing quite the opposite. It is madness.

I think the thing that pisses me off the most about the restrictions is that they don't seem to have any goal other than driving down numbers. There's no further goal. No long term plan. Just drive down numbers and.... profit? All the responsibility is thrown onto the public with no regard for negative consequences and no action from the government. They seem paralysed by inaction. And then, when things don't go the way they want, we're scolded for not working hard enough. It's absolutely infuriating.

ypres5

walus wrote: »

Which countries would you suggest we look for guidance to?

im guessing he's one of those irish people who looks down his nose at Slavic countries there's plenty who do

ninebeanrows

They added that given the pace of the vaccine rollout “pubs, restaurants and other hospitality venues can open for Easter," which falls on Sunday April 4.
UK reopening is going to ramp up in April

FintanMcluskey

growleaves wrote: »

Kermit you have talked about several years of distancing and restrictions. As has Sam McConkey.

Do you what "biologically maladaptive" means? Anything which stops people from passing on their genes is, according to evolutionary biologists, pathological - literally a disease.

Longer-term restrictions are not only indefensible on moral grounds, they are insane on any sort of scientific grounds. Genetic suicide.

But you're still denying that the restrictions are even much of a big deal! I don't think anyone believes you on that score, even other pro-restrictionists.

Absolutely. Genetic suicide.

The formative years of the young generation have been indoctrinated with the belief other people will make you sick.

The cure is much worse than the disease

Kermit.de.frog

ypres5 wrote: »

what about when you have thousands of people doing it at once when businesses are more likely to be letting people go than taking them on ? your advice is hopelessly tone deaf it's borderline parody

But then you are in to recession territory which the country faces regardless of restrictions.

Again, that's part of life.

If you are not going to try relentlessly for another job or go back in to training there is nothing else.

You'll end up left behind.

Seweryn

niallo27 wrote: »

How come Sweden is so low, good spot from you with Sweden.

The increase for Sweden up to 8th December is barely in single digits. The numbers are off.

But importantly, where is our county? Must have came up too low and not scary enough, or quite possibly in negative figures, so didn't qualify for publishing.

hynesie08

ypres5 wrote: »

why what's wrong with poland?

Nothing, as long as you're straight, white and a man, or a woman who doesn't want bodily autonimy.

ypres5

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

But then you are in to recession territory which the country faces regardless of restrictions.

Again, that's part of life.

If you are not going to try relentlessly for another job or go back in to training there is nothing else.

You'll end up left behind.

and in the meantime what do people do about paying bills, mortgage/rent and other necessities of living? please keep this up because your ignorance is entertaining

ninebeanrows

Seweryn wrote: »

The increase for Sweden up to 8th December is barely in single digits. The numbers are off.

But importantly, where is our county? Must have came up too low and not scary enough, or quite possibly in negative figures, so didn't qualify for publishing.

Things pretty much life as normal in Sweden except that alcohol is not sold or served after 8pm

walus

hynesie08 wrote: »

Nothing, as long as you're straight, white and a man, or a woman who doesn't want bodily autonimy.

How is that relevant in a context of covid?

JRant

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

You can always get another job, right? People lose jobs all the time. Yes, it's a load of balls and it's hard to take, but does that make life "not worth living"?

No. It's a challenge everyone goes through at one point or another.

I'm not downplaying it btw, it's not a nice place to be, i'm well aware of that.

Big difference between losing your job and having the State take away your ability to work or forcibly close your business.

Everyone has lost a job at one stage or another. Even moving from one company to another can be a stressful experience. This has absolutely no resemblance to those situations. Our government are forcibly closing down businesses on a massive scale. Now the original intent was to flatten the curve. Whatever way you feel a bout restrictions 6,000 cases a day is going to put strain on our health system. Thankfully, it passed with flying colours. Numbers have dropped significantly. Why are schools and construction still closed? Why are they talking about May/June before any easing of other restrictions?

Kermit.de.frog

ypres5 wrote: »

and in the meantime what do people do about paying bills, mortgage/rent and other necessities of living? please keep this up because your ignorance is entertaining

What do you want them to do?

Sit back and say there is no point because of all these other people?

There are only 3 options:

1. Get another job

2. Go back to education

3. Start a business

Recessions are part and parcel of life. There is nothing else they can do other than the above if they want to move on.

You seem to be implying it's too hard and we'll just blame the pandemic.

It goes right back to my point about about being equipped for crisis. I believe there is an entire generation hopelessly ill equipped. You are just proving it with your posts.

Most just get on with it in my experience.

I've lost jobs in seemingly hopeless situations. The situation is never hopeless.

walus

Sanjuro wrote: »

I think the thing that pisses me off the most about the restrictions is that they don't seem to have any goal other than driving down numbers. There's no further goal. No long term plan. Just drive down numbers and.... profit? All the responsibility is thrown onto the public with no regard for negative consequences and no action from the government. They seem paralysed by inaction. And then, when things don't go the way they want, we're scolded for not working hard enough. It's absolutely infuriating.

The goal posts will be changing for as long as the reality is different to what nphet models are telling them it should be. That means until we are all vaccinated, the virus dies on its own or borrowing at 250m per week will no longer be an option.

Kermit.de.frog

JRant wrote: »

This has absolutely no resemblance to those situations. Our government are forcibly closing down businesses on a massive scale.

How much business do you think hotels, restaurants and bars would be doing today if they were open?

Jobs will go regardless.

growleaves

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

How much business do you think hotels, restaurants and bars would be doing today if they were open?

Plenty.

Kermit.de.frog

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

But then you are in to recession territory which the country faces regardless because of restrictions.

FTFY

Kermit.de.frog

growleaves wrote: »

Plenty.

Explain how hotels (!), restaurants and bars will be doing plenty of business.

I look forward to this one.

TimeToShine

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Absolutely. Get another job or go back in to education/training. The government has all kind of supports in place. You have skills? Shouldn't be a problem.

There is nothing unusual about losing a job and having to find another one you know.

What jobs? What education? What training? All of these have disappeared in the past year. What world are you living in?

Kermit.de.frog

TimeToShine wrote: »

What jobs? What education? What training? All of these have disappeared in the past year.

No they haven't. They are all still there. Done mostly remotely now of course.