Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VIII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

Sanjuro

Can anyone explain the reasoning behind the 5km limit? Other than stopping people from moving about too much, how does it help stop the possibility of transmission? It feels like an arbitrary number without any proper thought behind it.

JRant

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

This is 100% true. It's very damaging.

At the same time the world is in a crisis.

They have consequences. This should not be breaking news.

What we seem to have, in my view, is many people unable to get beyond the denial/unsure phase to the acceptance phase of crisis. The acceptance that things have changed and we all have to accept change as a result however difficult that is.

Change is hard. I don't like it any more than anyone else but I have accepted it at this point.

Myself, I put it down to neither this generation nor the last having experienced genuine crisis. I think this goes a long way to explain it. I think a lot of people are psychologically unprepared and not equipped today to handle things like this.

Their problems are best described as "first world" (can't go to the pub, cinema, gym....) yet they put it forward like their lives are being threatened as if an angry bear was standing next to them.

There is a loss of perspective in generations that don't know crisis.

That's my opinion on it anyway.

With all due respect Kermit, trying to say this is people giving out about pubs, cinemas, and gyms is complete nonsense.

500,000 are out of work, think about that for one minute. That's an awful lot of struggling families that are unsure of their future, their families futures.

How many school children are having their education affected? The last 2 years have seen LC students futures thrown into disarray.

If this was the existential crisis we are continually told it is, then we wouldn't need all these draconian police state measures to keep the population in check.

No country is going to come out of this looking good, absolutely none. Even NZ, the poster child of COVID, weren't exactly an economic powerhouse before this and will feel the effects of their approach for years to come.

The world always has some crisis or other to deal with, usually affecting developing countries and doesn't get much coverage. To even begin to claim that COVID is a bigger threat than starvation, famine, war, and any of the other diseases that regularly kill more people than COVID ever will shows a complete lack of knowledge of the wider world.

Anyhow, no doubt you'll be back to make claims about people only caring about a pubs soon enough.

the kelt

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

This is 100% true. It's very damaging.

At the same time the world is in a crisis.

They have consequences. This should not be breaking news.

What we seem to have, in my view, is many people unable to get beyond the denial/unsure phase to the acceptance phase of crisis. The acceptance that things have changed and we all have to accept change as a result however difficult that is.

Change is hard. I don't like it any more than anyone else but I have accepted it at this point.

Myself, I put it down to neither this generation nor the last having experienced genuine crisis. I think this goes a long way to explain it. I think a lot of people are psychologically unprepared and not equipped today to handle things like this.

Their problems are best described as "first world" (can't go to the pub, cinema, gym....) yet they put it forward like their lives are being threatened as if an angry bear was standing next to them.

There is a loss of perspective in generations that don't know crisis.

That's my opinion on it anyway.

What a load of ****e.

People are just annoyed/put out because they can’t go to the pub, cinema. Etc. You must be a member of Leinster house with your finger on the pulse of the nation like that!

Jesus wept!

JRant

Sanjuro wrote: »

Can anyone explain the reasoning behind the 5km limit? Other than stopping people from moving about too much, how does it help stop the possibility of transmission? It feels like an arbitrary number without any proper thought behind it.

Well, there's nothing to back it up on the science front. It's merely a tool for politicians to say "look, we did everything we could, including a 5km limit". While at the same time they completely let down hospital and nursing home patients. Classic 'look over there' tactics.

Gael23

Are visits to nursing homes now allowed since they have been vaccinated ?

SnuggyBear

Gael23 wrote: »

Are visits to Justin’s homes now allowed since they have been vaccinated ?

Justin timberlake?

Kermit.de.frog

JRant wrote: »

Anyhow, no doubt you'll be back to make claims about people only caring about a pubs soon enough.

That's what it boils down to here.

"I can't go to the gym, I can't go to the pub, I can't go to a restaurant.....etc etc"

These are not existential issues.

Students have to learn from home.

This is not an existential issue no matter how hard you try to make it out to be.

You mention the third world - maybe some here need to understand how little others have by comparison. I 100% agree.

What are these people going to do when a genuine emergency occurs and it's planet of the apes?

A solar flare could knock out all electricity for decades any minute. We could have a war, an asteroid strike, a ruthless pandemic, an economic collapse...

What are they going to do if this is the height of their problems now? If this destroys their world?

It's ridiculous nonsense claiming "persecution" and "suppression" and all this stuff.

It's ludicrous. It would be funny but some seem to mean it and that makes it serious.

Kermit.de.frog

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

That's what it boils down to here.

"I can't go to the gym, I can't go to the pub, I can't go to a restaurant.....etc etc"

These are not existential issues.

Students have to learn from home.

This is not an existential issue no matter how hard you try to make it out to be.

You mention the third world - maybe some here need to understand how little others have by comparison. I 100% agree.

What are these people going to do when a genuine emergency occurs and it's planet of the apes?

A solar flare could knock out all electricity for decades any minute. We could have a war, an asteroid strike, a ruthless pandemic, an economic collapse...

What are they going to do if this is the height of their problems now? If this destroys their world?

It's ridiculous nonsense claiming "persecution" and "suppression" and all this stuff.

It's ludicrous. It would be funny but some seem to mean it and that makes it serious.

From the people I speak to, the main concerns are that they want to get back to work, put food on the table, pay their bills, see family members, ensure their children get a proper education etc

But it’s not surprising that you don’t see this. There is a certain cohort on here that like to convince themselves that it’s just about pubs and restaurants.

Usually people fortunate enough that they are not impacted by lockdown.

peterc1991

JRant wrote: »

Well, there's nothing to back it up on the science front. It's merely a tool for politicians to say "look, we did everything we could, including a 5km limit". While at the same time they completely let down hospital and nursing home patients. Classic 'look over there' tactics.

How is there nothing on the 'science' front if thats a term?

I can't believe i actually have to explain it. Yeah its an arbitrary number but for whatever reason 5km was decided its to keep clusters withing certain areas.


If the shops and pubs are closed but people can just drive around the country and visit friends then the virus will be transmitted more.

What if there is an outbreak in a certain town. Then a few groups of people who are infected but dont know decide to visit family the far side of the country. They stop in a couple of petrol stations on the way and then all of a sudden they have spread it exponentially to a place which didnt have it. Then repeat with the people who have been infected.
Its common sense really

peterc1991

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

That's what it boils down to here.

"I can't go to the gym, I can't go to the pub, I can't go to a restaurant.....etc etc"

These are not existential issues.

Students have to learn from home.

This is not an existential issue no matter how hard you try to make it out to be.

You mention the third world - maybe some here need to understand how little others have by comparison. I 100% agree.

What are these people going to do when a genuine emergency occurs and it's planet of the apes?

A solar flare could knock out all electricity for decades any minute. We could have a war, an asteroid strike, a ruthless pandemic, an economic collapse...

What are they going to do if this is the height of their problems now? If this destroys their world?

It's ridiculous nonsense claiming "persecution" and "suppression" and all this stuff.

It's ludicrous. It would be funny but some seem to mean it and that makes it serious.

Great post. You'd swear we all enjoy this. Just get on with it. It could be worse. do what we can and come out the other side.

While others are shouting the opposite because they want their 'freedom'. Its tirying

peterc1991

peterc1991 wrote: »

Great post. You'd swear we all enjoy this. Just get on with it. It could be worse. do what we can and come out the other side.

While others are shouting the opposite because they want their 'freedom'. Its tirying

Tell that to the half a million out of work who are struggling to pay their mortgage/rent and put food on the table.

“Just get on with it, could be worse”.

How do you know they’ll come out the other side? Maybe they’ll end up losing their job/home and watch their family fall apart.

It’s always easy to spot the ones who aren’t struggling. And I hate that it is but it is.

FintanMcluskey

More sunk costs of long severe restrictions in Ireland

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.independent.ie/irish-news/divorce-is-off-the-richter-scale-i-took-on-10-new-clients-in-january-alone-40088936.html

The fallout will be brutal

kerrylad1

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

That's what it boils down to here.

"I can't go to the gym, I can't go to the pub, I can't go to a restaurant.....etc etc"

These are not existential issues.

Students have to learn from home.

This is not an existential issue no matter how hard you try to make it out to be.

You mention the third world - maybe some here need to understand how little others have by comparison. I 100% agree.

What are these people going to do when a genuine emergency occurs and it's planet of the apes?

A solar flare could knock out all electricity for decades any minute. We could have a war, an asteroid strike, a ruthless pandemic, an economic collapse...

What are they going to do if this is the height of their problems now? If this destroys their world?

It's ridiculous nonsense claiming "persecution" and "suppression" and all this stuff.

It's ludicrous. It would be funny but some seem to mean it and that makes it serious.

Is ur income down €200+ aweek?

SnuggyBear

peterc1991 wrote: »

Great post. You'd swear we all enjoy this. Just get on with it.

Get on with what? Staring at the 4 walls for another year?

ypres5

kerrylad1 wrote: »

Is ur income down €200+ aweek?

you bet your bollocks it isn't with the tone deaf scutter he's coming out with

paw patrol

pm1977x wrote: »

nope. I have many varied sources of news, but it's the easy option to call something propaganda if it doesn't suit your own closed narrative.

pm1977x wrote: »

Ah right, there is no pandemic, grand so, happy days! :rolleyes:

so what if it's a pandemic . the definition of pandemic makes no reference to the illness being serious or not. Or deadly. No reference.
so what if it's circles the globe - the ultra killing machine that were were told covid19 is - is a outrightlie

Multipass

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

This is 100% true. It's very damaging.

At the same time the world is in a crisis.

They have consequences. This should not be breaking news.

What we seem to have, in my view, is many people unable to get beyond the denial/unsure phase to the acceptance phase of crisis. The acceptance that things have changed and we all have to accept change as a result however difficult that is.

Change is hard. I don't like it any more than anyone else but I have accepted it at this point.

Myself, I put it down to neither this generation nor the last having experienced genuine crisis. I think this goes a long way to explain it. I think a lot of people are psychologically unprepared and not equipped today to handle things like this.

Their problems are best described as "first world" (can't go to the pub, cinema, gym....) yet they put it forward like their lives are being threatened as if an angry bear was standing next to them.

There is a loss of perspective in generations that don't know crisis.

That's my opinion on it anyway.

The disproportionate response is the crisis now. Fair enough at the start it was panic, but now we know the low fatality rate there is no excuse not to have prepared the hospitals and reopened the colleges and schools. Acting like this is some kind of world war crisis is hysterical and frankly quite cowardly.

paw patrol

Gael23 wrote: »

Are visits to nursing homes now allowed since they have been vaccinated ?

Not in the one my grandmother is.
They all haven't had the 2nd dose yet and they are still getting covid and dying.

She has covid now - weirdly just as vaccine being rolled out , after 1 dose awaiting dose 2.
seems fine so far , she is 101 years old.

She always looked after her health and till she was mid 90s she was active enough - even smoked fags in the 1950s when it was healthy to do so.:)

walus

JRant wrote: »

Well, there's nothing to back it up on the science front. It's merely a tool for politicians to say "look, we did everything we could, including a 5km limit". While at the same time they completely let down hospital and nursing home patients. Classic 'look over there' tactics.

Nphet are trying to emulate the success of this strategy in other countries i.e. New Zealand by using whatever there is at their disposal to create conditions in which it can work in Ireland too. That is the reason why we are experiencing these stupid restrictions that are very difficult to logically explain. They don’t have a clue why this strategy worked for NZ and neither do the New Zealanders themselves. There is too many factors spanning across multiple of scientific fields that are at play. Impossible to identify and recreate.

But here we go again - they will target travelling. Yet another thing that NZ naturally benefited from being a very remote location.

The government found themselves in a deep hole. The best they can do is stop digging. Yet they are doing quite the opposite. It is madness.

Parachutes

Who elected NPHET anyway? How much more of these so called ‘experts’ do we have to put up with before we give others a crack of the whip?

JMNolan

Parachutes wrote: »

Who elected NPHET anyway? How much more of these so called ‘experts’ do we have to put up with before we give others a crack of the whip?

I actually don't blame NPHET at all. They're doing their job. Sure if you ask any doctor about doing something like having a pint or over eating they'll tell you medically it's not a good idea. Our government is supposed to govern but they seem to just have handed it over to NPHET. And our media castigate them if the government disagree with NPHET. In actuality, I blame our media for what the country is enduring.

Parachutes

JMNolan wrote: »

I actually don't blame NPHET at all. They're doing their job. Sure if you ask any doctor about doing something like having a pint or over eating they'll tell you medically it's not a good idea. Our government is supposed to govern but they seem to just have handed it over to NPHET. And our media castigate them if the government disagree with NPHET. In actuality, I blame our media for what the country is enduring.

If you’re talking about state media like RTE they are an extension of the government and NPHET anyway.

facehugger99

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

That's what it boils down to here.

"I can't go to the gym, I can't go to the pub, I can't go to a restaurant.....etc etc"

What a load of sh;te.

People are concerned about the hundreds of thousands out of work, the thousands of viable businesses forced to close which may never reopen. The tens of billions added to our debt, borrowed against our kids and grandkids futures. The lost education opportunities, the missed health screenings, the postponed operations. The loss of our democratic freedoms, the loss of the things which make life worth living. The viewing of the world as if Covid 'cases' are the only metric by which anything be judged.

The tone-deaf, 'I'm right Jack' attitude of yourself and others is fcuking embarrassing to see. If you had a modicum of self-awareness you'd be ashamed of yourself.

JRant

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

That's what it boils down to here.

"I can't go to the gym, I can't go to the pub, I can't go to a restaurant.....etc etc"

These are not existential issues.

Students have to learn from home.

This is not an existential issue no matter how hard you try to make it out to be.

You mention the third world - maybe some here need to understand how little others have by comparison. I 100% agree.

What are these people going to do when a genuine emergency occurs and it's planet of the apes?

A solar flare could knock out all electricity for decades any minute. We could have a war, an asteroid strike, a ruthless pandemic, an economic collapse...

What are they going to do if this is the height of their problems now? If this destroys their world?

It's ridiculous nonsense claiming "persecution" and "suppression" and all this stuff.

It's ludicrous. It would be funny but some seem to mean it and that makes it serious.

Jaysus, it didn't take you long either, very next post, well done sir, well done.

Now, go back and actually read what I wrote. I said it's not an existential threat, it's there in binary 1's and 0's for you to completely ignored again I doubt.

walus

Multipass wrote: »

The disproportionate response is the crisis now. Fair enough at the start it was panic, but now we know the low fatality rate there is no excuse not to have prepared the hospitals and reopened the colleges and schools. Acting like this is some kind of world war crisis is hysterical and frankly quite cowardly.

It is a crisis of leadership. Politicians are spineless and weak. Not worth the time to read or watch what they say.

Kermit.de.frog

facehugger99 wrote: »

The lost education opportunities, the missed health screenings, the postponed operations. The loss of our democratic freedoms, the loss of the things which make life worth living. The viewing of the world as if Covid 'cases' are the only metric by which anything be judged.

What are those things you have lost that make life not worth living?

What are the democratic freedoms you have lost?

walus

Interestingly, Poland are vaccinating the teachers. They see that education truly a priority, it seems.

JRant

peterc1991 wrote: »

How is there nothing on the 'science' front if thats a term?

I can't believe i actually have to explain it. Yeah its an arbitrary number but for whatever reason 5km was decided its to keep clusters withing certain areas.


If the shops and pubs are closed but people can just drive around the country and visit friends then the virus will be transmitted more.

What if there is an outbreak in a certain town. Then a few groups of people who are infected but dont know decide to visit family the far side of the country. They stop in a couple of petrol stations on the way and then all of a sudden they have spread it exponentially to a place which didnt have it. Then repeat with the people who have been infected.
Its common sense really

Hold up, so you ask me how there is nothing on the "science" and the very next sentence tell me it's a completely arbitrary number because "reasons". One's you've made up in your own head or heard others mention before. What you can't provide is any actual science behind the decision for the 5km limit. Why 5 and not 7.5? Why not county border? Why have a stupid rule in place anyway? Everything is closed and you're not supposed to visit anyone. What harm is heading 50km down the road to enjoy some peace and quiet in a deserted beach or forrest?

JMNolan

walus wrote: »

Interestingly, Poland are vaccinating the teachers. They see that education truly a priority, it seems.

Yeah... Not sure Poland is the country we should be looking to for guidance on things...

Kermit.de.frog

JMNolan wrote: »

Yeah... Not sure Poland is the country we should be looking to for guidance on things...

It's ok, science is not a guide for some on here either so at least there is consistency