Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VIII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

No, the other reference points are averages.

We need comparison’s year on year.

Those graphs make perspective difficult

only if you don't understand them.

froog wrote: »

only if you don't understand them.

Some of us haven’t been blessed with an ability to see the wood from the trees

I don’t appreciate the insult

Deleted User wrote: »

The vast, vast majority of those excess deaths occurred in the over 65s. People who are in the main retired, and whose income from month to month is not dependent on their ability to work and be productive out in the world. They have their retirement locked in.

So by all means let them shelter. Set up temporary services and employ and train younger people to help those at risk by delivering groceries to them and so on. And let the younger generations, for which many of the excess deaths are deaths of despair, be it suicide, alcohol and drugs, at-home abuse and so on, get back to living their damn lives so that we don't impoverish our children and our children's children even more.

Anyone looking at excess death data and not finding themselves incredibly concerned by a peak in younger people that does not in any way correlate with the pattern of death from Covid-19 is operating in bad faith.

They were mostly nursing home deaths who had the virus brought in through no fault of their own.

Firstly by Infected patients being sent back from Hospitals to free bed space (which was never used) without testing (thanks Tony).
Then By Staff bringing it in due to lack of Staff testing (Thanks Tony!)
Then By NPHET's steadfast refusal to use daily or even weekly Antigen tests to identify infections in staff and residents, instead insisting on fortnightly PCR tests (Thanks Tony and Cillian).

It's good to see NPHET and DOH now doing everything they can to stop these deaths though.

ElektroToad wrote: »

https://www.euronews.com/2021/02/12/czech-parliament-refuses-to-extend-the-state-of-emergency-despite-government-pleas

Looks like the Czech Republic is gonna start reopening very soon. Seems like they've understandably cracked after being under a "state of emergency" since September :eek:

The Czech's are an interesting group; for better or worse a lot less compliant than our citizenry. More cynical and disagreeable on the whole I'd say.

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Yes

It’s ridiculous to think the response to covid has humanity as it’s motivation.

Covid is a 1st world illness that targets old age and obesity

Social media is now the source of information and journalism is dead

i just find it hilarious that we'll send vaccines to these countries to protect age demographics that don't exist in them while children there starve and die of diarrhea malaria and cholera to name a few

Will do cheers

growleaves wrote: »

Will do cheers

This is what makes me sad about all this lockdown BS.
I had the opportunity as a student to do Erasmus, learn different languages and about different cultures. Live in different countries. Visit countries every summer, interrail, do voluntary work projects, meet people from different places.

The poor kids of today are being brought back into the 80's, no opportunities, no life changing trips, no hope.
Ireland is becoming insular again; blaming foreigners, blaming travel and even it's own citizens for everything.
Window watching and tut tutting at every opportunity. Life is more than this. It's depressing.

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Ireland has gone back to a similar time when the Catholic Church ruled the country. It’s prehistoric stuff

I think we are in the 1950s

It’s a rotten time to be under 25 in this country

100% Fintan but Mainstream media presents us as the backward right wing nationalists. I know for one I am anything but.
We need some kind of party like in Czechia to represent our thinking but sadly it's not going to happen.

gansi wrote: »

You may be right but hope you are not.There’s a tsunami of mental health problems coming down the tracks, children and adults, depression, anxiety, people addicted to anti depressants, other addictions, probably obesity too and general unhealthiness. At what point is the cure worse than the disease??

About mid-April 2020

That's when it hit home for me. When I actually realised how good I'd had it and how unfair it is that these young people won't get that experience. I genuinely have more sympathy for them than I do for an 80 year old. Why? I don't know. Death is final and that's just a few years but what is life without experiences. Life goes by quick. Soon enough you're out of your 20s and priorities change. I'd be so much poorer without these experiences. I feel fortunate to have had them but we should fight tooth and tail to preserve these privileges that modern living affords us.

normanoffside wrote: »

I agree with you Fin but at least in you're 30's you have already lived a little. Think of those 16-21 year olds who have had their lives stopped. It's tougher on them. We've had good times, they've had nothing.
I know a lot of people who haven't even physically been to university despite doing a course.
No freshers week, no opportunity to meet new people from outside their secondary school, No independence from their parents, no social life, no dating, no riding. The list goes on. They have been screwed and it looks like next years cohort will face the same fate.

Ya sorry I totally get that, I was just thinking more financially it’s still a struggle in ur 30s living I. This country. Just we have been through a lot
Or of rescissions already, but ya I was only saying to a friend recently feel so sorry for people in college , definitely very sh*t.

Multipass wrote: »

This is the group being damaged the most by all of this. People blithely talk about online classes like it’s no problem - they have no idea what it’s like to do your first year of university inside your bedroom, meeting no-one. My daughter is currently having science practicals from her bedroom, where the lecturer explains the practical and what ‘would’ have happened, and here are the results they ‘might’ have got. Their entire life right now is virtual, it’s incredibly damaging.

This is 100% true. It's very damaging.

At the same time the world is in a crisis.

They have consequences. This should not be breaking news.

What we seem to have, in my view, is many people unable to get beyond the denial/unsure phase to the acceptance phase of crisis. The acceptance that things have changed and we all have to accept change as a result however difficult that is.

Change is hard. I don't like it any more than anyone else but I have accepted it at this point.

Myself, I put it down to neither this generation nor the last having experienced genuine crisis. I think this goes a long way to explain it. I think a lot of people are psychologically unprepared and not equipped today to handle things like this.

Their problems are best described as "first world" (can't go to the pub, cinema, gym....) yet they put it forward like their lives are being threatened as if an angry bear was standing next to them.

There is a loss of perspective in generations that don't know crisis.

That's my opinion on it anyway.

Gael23 wrote: »

Are there plans to increase from 5km to 10km?

I really hope so. I'm about 8km from the beach and haven't been able to get there since the new lockdown came in. I really miss it..

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Let’s put some perspective on that Graham and remember 3 millions kids starve to death each year.

Perspective is important in this 1st world crisis

Preventable deaths of course but they’re not Covid so I guess no one cares?

DellyBelly wrote: »

I really hope so. I'm about 8km from the beach and haven't been able to get there since the new lockdown came in. I really miss it..

Would you not just go if you miss it that much? Presume you just want to go for a walk