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Covid 19 Part XXXII-215,743 ROI (4,137 deaths)111,166 NI (2,036 deaths)(22/02)Read OP

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  • #5702
    Ficheall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,039 ✭✭✭Ficheall


    b0nk1e wrote: »
    This was the same reason we were placed under house arrest for almost all of last year
    You haven't been under house arrest at all. Even if you were infected or returning from a "hotspot" you were not forced to stay in your house.


  • #5703
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 10,049 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    titan18 wrote: »
    Well, it's working. If I was Serbia, I'd definitely feel much more gracious and open to working with Russia going forward than the EU.

    Russia are using it as a political tool, not a life saving vaccine. The Russian people have only got 3.9 million doses as doses are being reserved for political influence elsewhere.

    Imagine the outrage here if an Irish company shipped 2 million does to a small country when only 3% of the population had received a vaccine


  • #5704
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 10,049 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    latency89 wrote: »
    Depends what your goals are

    Our governments goal is sub 100 cases a day for 6 weeks to restrict lockdown?

    Israel cases are at 5000 cases a day, we are at 800 ( down from 8000 a day ), they are down from 8000 cases a day to 5000 case day, dreadful reduction and they lockdown on the 27th Dec like we did ( well 26th Dec here )

    They have 60% population vaccinated, we don't even have 6% :pac: and we are dropping cases way faster.

    They are easing restrictions in Israel at 5000 cases day, bat**** crazy our government would think

    If our government talked about ICU, hospilisations targets we could compare Israel, as vaccines do work great here, but if we look at cases only and so far vaccination data to reduce cases population wise in Israel hasn't done much as they are a basket case, full of extremists.

    Israel 1st Jan, 5000 cases, Israel Feb 11th 5000 cases, 60% population vaccinated with 1st dose, full lockdown, great results :rolleyes:
    Deleted User wrote: »
    Israels problem is that the two large groups with the highest infection rates are the two groups most resistant to both taking the vaccine and adhering to any restrictions. Orthodox Jews and Israeli Arabs

    For a second time


  • #5705
    runawaybishop
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,517 ✭✭✭runawaybishop


    b0nk1e wrote: »
    Scotland, with almost the exact same population as us, has vaccinated over a million people, and is vaccinating 1% of its population every single day.

    We will vaccinate fewer than 30,000 people this week, and probably won't hit the cumulative quarter-million mark until later this month.

    The first meeting of our vaccination team did not occur until November, eight months after Leo's lockdown.

    We don't have the vaccines to give out, those that we have gotten have been put into arms. Right now something like 99% of our distributed vaccines are from a single supplier, as moderna and AZ come on stream our numbers will shoot up.


  • #5706
    latency89
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 135 ✭✭latency89


    Deleted User wrote: »
    For a second time

    Yes the extremists are causing all the cases :rolleyes:

    Sure


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  • #5707
    hmmm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,202 ✭✭✭✭hmmm


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Looks like Russia are prioritising vaccine supply to countries with the opportunity to embarrass Europe rather than to their own people
    Yes, and Serbia are close allies of Russia. We are not. I'm happy for that to stay that way.

    There is no untapped reservoir of vaccines we are not accessing. If we had been able to get more vaccines, it would only be at the expense of other countries, and considering our size it was as likely we could have lost out. There was criticism of Europe for not acting together at the start of this, now there's criticism because apparently it should have been a free-for-all.


  • #5708
    runawaybishop
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,517 ✭✭✭runawaybishop


    latency89 wrote: »
    Yes the extremists are causing all the cases :rolleyes:

    Sure

    He's not wrong. Anyway their hospitalisations for the vaccinated groups are dropping hugely.


  • #5709
    mean gene
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 875 ✭✭✭mean gene


    Same old posts our numbers are low for vaccinating people while this is true we have barely any supply the EU are at fault here a pathetic display from them shameful


  • #5710
    brickster69
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,419 ✭✭✭brickster69


    Just had a chat with my Mum who has friends living out in Spain. She said they are opening up everything today. Bars, bars, restaurants, gyms schools, cinemas, theatres and shops are all open with some restrictions.

    Seems a bit early to me with reports of that kent version starting to show up there.

    "if you get on the wrong train, get off at the nearest station, the longer it takes you to get off, the more expensive the return trip will be."



  • #5711
    latency89
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 135 ✭✭latency89


    runawaybishop wrote: »
    He's not wrong. Anyway their hospitalisations for the vaccinated groups are dropping hugely.

    That's like when people said hospitals are the cause of all the infections

    Extremists alone can not be the cause for 5000 cases a day


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  • #5712
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 10,049 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    latency89 wrote: »
    Yes the extremists are causing all the cases :rolleyes:

    Sure

    40% of the population of Israel are either Orthodox Jewish or Arab. That's 4 million people. That doesn't include the Palestinians, another 4.6 million people who unless they are in east Jerusalem have been excluded from vaccine rollout, and many of whom cross into Israel for work daily.

    Roll your eyes all you want. Orthodox Jewish or Israeli Arab =/= Extremist. One group or nearly 2 million people still congregate and mistrust vaccines for religious reasons, and other group of 2 million citizens distrust the state due to years of marginalisation


  • #5713
    runawaybishop
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,517 ✭✭✭runawaybishop


    latency89 wrote: »
    That's like when people said hospitals are the cause of all the infections

    Extremists alone can not be the cause for 5000 cases a day

    They are not solely responsible but the orthodox community is strongly anti government and anti vaccine. They refused to follow many of the covid restrictions and are riddled with it.


  • #5714
    latency89
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 135 ✭✭latency89


    Deleted User wrote: »
    40% of the population of Israel are either Orthodox Jewish or Arab. That's 4 million people. That doesn't include the Palestinians, another 4.6 million people who unless they are in east Jerusalem have been excluded from vaccine rollout, and many of whom cross into Israel for work daily.

    Roll your eyes all you want. Orthodox Jewish or Israeli Arab =/= Extremist. One group or nearly 2 million people still congregate and mistrust vaccines for religious reasons, and other group of 2 million citizens distrust the state due to years of marginalisation

    Wasting time vaccinating there then, with so many nutters who don't care about the virus.


  • #5715
    muddypuppy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 322 ✭✭muddypuppy


    podgeandrodge wrote: »
    In the US people can travel from State to State pretty easily, a lot more than 5km :D And many states have bars open for outside service.

    There does seem to be big differences across the world in how tight restrictions are. But figures falling everywhere perhaps at a similar level?

    I don't think it's at the same level but yes. If I had to put money I would bet on covid being very seasonal. It explains why we are starting to see a drop worldwide (southern hemisphere count less in the statistics), why apparently we saw covid circulating before March last year but it didn't immediately collapse all hospitals (it circulate more slowly) and why most countries haven't seen any major outbreak in the summer with most things open/people going on vacations (I highly doubt people spending more time outdoor is the reason, the vast majority of the time (sleep, work, restaurant, meeting people) is spent indoor even in summer)
    It's still controversial/not proven, only time will tell.


  • #5716
    blowitupref
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,161 ✭✭✭blowitupref


    Sierra Oscar wrote: »
    Philip Nolan on Radio 1 now saying it’ll take 6 weeks before numbers are consistently below 100 cases per day. No let up on restrictions before then it seems.

    He said at the briefing yesterday we could reach 100 cases by March 15th.

    I presume this living with Covid plan on the 21st will have a phase easing of restrictions. Phase 1 last year was May 18th and the 7 day average then was 161 cases per day while In hospital we had 386 and in ICU 55.


  • #5717
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 10,049 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    latency89 wrote: »
    Wasting time vaccinating there then, with so many nutters who don't care about the virus.

    Both groups will largely come on board, eventually. Its the Palestinians who are getting screwed


  • #5718
    titan18
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,057 ✭✭✭✭titan18


    blowitupref wrote: »
    He said at the briefing yesterday we could reach 100 cases by March 15th.

    I presume this living with Covid plan on the 21st will have a phase easing of restrictions. Phase 1 last year was May 18th and the 7 day average then was 161 cases per day while In hospital we had 386 and in ICU 55.

    We're testing a lot more now than back in May so we shouldn't really be comparing case numbers to back then.


  • #5719
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Its the Palestinians who are getting screwed

    As always.


  • #5720
    billyhead
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,872 ✭✭✭✭billyhead


    Can someone explain to me please how the schedule for the over 70s for vaccines is planned. Next week is over 85s. Is the 80 to 85 cohort the following week and the 75-80 the week after for the 1st dosage?


  • #5721
    Eod100
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,277 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    New countries added to the mandatory hotel quarantine list.

    https://twitter.com/Jennifer_Bray/status/1360214875516129280


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  • #5722
    blowitupref
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,161 ✭✭✭blowitupref


    titan18 wrote: »
    We're testing a lot more now than back in May so we shouldn't really be comparing case numbers to back then.

    True, Just giving an example to what it was when level 5 restrictions was eased last spring. The weekly testing back then was a little under 40,000 we had a 7 day positivity rate average of 2.5%. By the end of March we'll likely have at least double that amount of weekly testing.


  • #5723
    Richard Hillman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,033 ✭✭✭✭Richard Hillman


    runawaybishop wrote: »
    They are not solely responsible but the orthodox community is strongly anti government and anti vaccine. They refused to follow many of the covid restrictions and are riddled with it.

    This is the hurdle that most countries are going to face. You'll get to a certain percentage of the population and then you'll get to the people who are resistant. WTF do you do then?

    No free country is going to inoculate 100%. I reckon 70-80% if you are lucky.


    This is from a month ago

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/uk.news.yahoo.com/amphtml/britons-most-likely-take-covid-vaccine-143029751.html

    Look at the numbers. Poland 28% will take the vaccine, France 39%, Germany 51%. Then look at even the most pro vaccine, Italy 64%, Spain 66%.

    You do wonder what the great masterplan is from Governments if they think they won't open up societies again until 60-70-80% of the population will get vaccinated because it ain't going to happen.


  • #5724
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    SheepsClothing wrote: »
    People so weak minded, that they'd rather stick on a blindfold, say their prayers and hope for the best, rather than have plan for the possibility that something could go wrong.

    I listened to the osterholm update this morning and the title of the episode was based on a quote. Very apt for how different people process different information.

    A pesimist complains about the wind.
    An optimist hopes it'll change,
    A realist adjusts his sails

    A lot of people can't seem to tack when the wind changes.

    Here's the episode. Two interesting things discussed which he would want to be done.
    • A review of the data on single dose effect. The data is there from the trials it just needs to be analysed.
    • If it shows protection then US should change to single dose to save as many lives and hospitalisations as possible. He even said he'd forgo his own second dose next week if possible.

    Worth a listen.



    edit: post about research from UK on the single dose. Looks very positive.

    https://associationofanaesthetists-publications.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/anae.15442
    Second, there is a large benefit from maintaining high vaccination rates beyond groups 1–4: vaccinating through groups 5–7 has a substantial impact on all three metrics including reducing hospital admissions by > 80% and ICU admissions by almost 70%. Third, it provides some support for the strategy of delaying the second dose of vaccine, as within approximately 3 months around half of the adult population can be vaccinated, and as all three slopes are relatively steep up to this point, this will optimise the impact on deaths and healthcare service pressures.


  • #5725
    Loafing Oaf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,962 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    Eod100 wrote: »
    New countries added to the mandatory hotel quarantine list.

    https://twitter.com/Jennifer_Bray/status/1360214875516129280

    Eswatini, is that even an actual country?


  • #5726
    ninebeanrows
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,780 ✭✭✭✭ninebeanrows


    What's situation in Austria? Their 14 day rate is lower than ours?


  • #5727
    Klonker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,669 ✭✭✭Klonker


    BlowHard wrote: »
    New variants make a return to normal life impossible for the foreseeable. You lock the borders down hard only essential entry and exits and go heavy on fines and quarantine. Should have been done last March and we'd have had a somewhat normal year and this one coming. The funny thing is as a small island with a tiny border we'd have achieved it pretty handy with proper governance

    We've basically made a choice that holidays to santa del cesspit is more important than our own economy reopening and our childrens mental health.

    You can't live with covid, you live without it.

    Vaccinate the vulnerable then begin opening up. Then vaccinate everyone who wants it and open fully with no restrictions. Vaccines have shown to be strong against new variants but boosters can be given in future to make them more effective. Back to life as before and that's it, very simple really. Yes people will die of covid just like people die of flu and people die of lots of other things.


  • #5728
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 939 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    ninebeanrows wrote: »
    What's situation in Austria? Their 14 day rate is lower than ours?

    South Africa variant


  • #5729
    Klonker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,669 ✭✭✭Klonker


    ninebeanrows wrote: »
    What's situation in Austria? Their 14 day rate is lower than ours?

    I think they have a number of cases of the South African variant.


  • #5730
    Le Bruise
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,360 ✭✭✭Le Bruise


    ninebeanrows wrote: »
    What's situation in Austria? Their 14 day rate is lower than ours?

    SA variant outbreak in one of their ski resorts.


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  • #5731
    latency89
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 135 ✭✭latency89


    BlowHard wrote: »

    You can't live with covid, you live without it.

    Great line that :)

    Fully agree


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