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Covid 19 Part XXXII-215,743 ROI (4,137 deaths)111,166 NI (2,036 deaths)(22/02)Read OP

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  • #5672
    suicide_circus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,801 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    Deleted User wrote: »
    This is a bit bizarre. There is no evidence that the Covid situation in Vietnam is worse than reported, yet we have "prove they are not lying" being used as an argument.

    All i'm saying is that a one party communist state is not a reliable source of unbiased information.


  • #5673
    SheepsClothing
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 350 ✭✭SheepsClothing


    suicide_circus wrote: »
    Do you have evidence they're not lying? Is this person known to you? It's an entirely anecdotal post. I wouldn't believe a word out of any one party communist state, if you choose to that's your affair. Its a lovely place but not somewhere i'd expect openness from the authorities

    All indications are that Vietnam has suppressed the virus. I can't prove a negative.

    I also can't understand all this doom and gloom around the countries who have managed to suppress the virus. It would almost make you think that these anti zero Covid people want to be living under restrictions within their border.


  • #5674
    donfers
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,006 ✭✭✭donfers


    UK 450,000 vaccinations yesterday alone

    Ireland, less than half of that since time began

    Embarrasingly slow in comparison to our nearest neighbours


  • #5675
    Ficheall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,039 ✭✭✭Ficheall


    AdsByGoogle is in Vietnam, haven't seen him post in a while.


  • #5676
    suicide_circus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,801 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    SheepsClothing wrote: »
    All indications are that Vietnam has suppressed the virus. I can't prove a negative.

    I also can't understand all this doom and gloom around the countries who have managed to suppress the virus. It would almost make you think that these anti zero Covid people want to be living under restrictions within their border.


    Have you been to vietnam? I have. It's a totally different society, culture, government etc.. their ability to achieve zero covid is no indication of ours to do the same.


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  • #5677
    [Deleted User]
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    donfers wrote: »
    UK 450,000 vaccinations yesterday alone

    Ireland, less than half of that since time began

    Embarrasingly slow in comparison to our nearest neighbours

    Do you know of a warehouse full of vaccines we should have used?


  • #5678
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    donfers wrote: »
    UK 450,000 vaccinations yesterday alone

    Ireland, less than half of that since time began

    Embarrasingly slow in comparison to our nearest neighbours

    Supply is an issue, you cannot vaccinate with a vaccine that you don't have supplies of. We are reliant on the EU to secure supply. The UK went their own way, Brexit helped.


  • #5679
    lawred2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,772 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    Supply is an issue, you cannot vaccinate with a vaccine that you don't have supplies of. We are reliant on the EU to secure supply. The UK went their own way, Brexit helped.

    2021 hasn't been amazing for the EU PR wise on the island of Ireland


  • #5680
    donfers
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,006 ✭✭✭donfers


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    Supply is an issue, you cannot vaccinate with a vaccine that you don't have supplies of. We are reliant on the EU to secure supply. The UK went their own way, Brexit helped.


    True, I am just stating the facts though. I am not seeking to apportion blame.

    There is little doubt though because of the vaccine supply arrangements we have tied ourselves into, you have a significantly better chance of getting vaccinated earlier and avoiding severe disease if you live north of the border.


  • #5681
    Sanjuro
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,241 ✭✭✭Sanjuro


    donfers wrote: »
    UK 450,000 vaccinations yesterday alone

    Ireland, less than half of that since time began

    Embarrasingly slow in comparison to our nearest neighbours

    Wow. When you discount supply, time-frame of first vaccine administered, vaccine approval timeline, population difference, and all other factors, yeah, it's embarrassingly different.


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  • #5682
    lawred2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,772 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    Sanjuro wrote: »
    Wow. When you discount supply, time-frame of first vaccine administered, vaccine approval timeline, population difference, and all other factors, yeah, it's embarrassingly different.

    This is the stuff that matters to Granny and Grandad alright.

    They are all about bureaucratic propriety.


  • #5683
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 232 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    lawred2 wrote: »
    2021 hasn't been amazing for the EU PR wise on the island of Ireland

    Our government sacrificed Irish lives and civil rights to be seen as "good Europeans".


  • #5684
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 10,049 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    donfers wrote: »
    True, I am just stating the facts though. I am not seeking to apportion blame.

    There is little doubt though because of the vaccine supply arrangements we have tied ourselves into, you have a significantly better chance of getting vaccinated earlier and avoiding severe disease if you live north of the border.

    There is also a significant chance had we not been in the vaccine supply arrangements that we would currently be whistling in the dark as Germany or someone else used up all the available doses.

    If everywhere had equal access to vaccines we would possibly have a fraction more completed. If it was free for all however, the disparity would be far worse than it is. The fact is, the EU is well behind US and UK, however, all EU countries have received the same chance to get their people vaccinated. Without the agreement some countries would have had none, possibly including us. 19 million people in the EU have got a vaccine. Only 160 million people worldwide.


  • #5685
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 10,049 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    b0nk1e wrote: »
    Our government sacrificed Irish lives and civil rights to be seen as "good Europeans".

    This is just plain and simple nonsense. Its like people believe there are vaccines sitting on shelves waiting for a buyer


  • #5686
    Sanjuro
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,241 ✭✭✭Sanjuro


    lawred2 wrote: »
    This is the stuff that matters to Granny and Grandad alright.

    They are all about bureaucratic propriety.

    If you're going to compare Ireland to the UK, you cant discount all the those things.


  • #5687
    lawred2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,772 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    Sanjuro wrote: »
    If you're going to compare Ireland to the UK, you cant discount all the those things.

    I'm not. I'm saying most people outside of niche forums and professional settings don't really care too much for technocratic minutiae when their health and livelihoods are on the line..

    All they will see is a much further advanced vaccination program being carried out on one small part of this same small island.


  • #5688
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 10,049 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    lawred2 wrote: »
    I'm not. I'm saying most people outside of niche forums and professional settings don't really care too much for technocratic minutiae when their health and livelihoods are on the line..

    All they will see is a much further advanced vaccination program being carried out on one small part of this same small island.

    If we had got our fair share of global supply we would have had about 100,000 doses so far.
    It may be frustrating to see the UK surge ahead,, they are the outlier though.


  • #5689
    hmmm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,202 ✭✭✭✭hmmm


    Deleted User wrote: »
    This is just plain and simple nonsense. Its like people believe there are vaccines sitting on shelves waiting for a buyer
    The idea that Ireland would have out-competed France, Germany, Italy, Spain etc. for vaccines is ludicrous. We are lucky they agreed to be part of a Europe-wide deal.

    Just look at Canada for how it would probably have turned out.

    https://edition.cnn.com/2021/02/11/world/canada-vaccine-rollout-failure/index.html
    "The Canadian government thought it could pay to play in the global race to vaccinate its way back to normal life. But as its vaccine supply slowed to a trickle in February, Canada remains on the sidelines of that race despite buying more vaccines doses per capita than, likely, any other country on Earth."


  • #5690
    Gael23
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,105 ✭✭✭✭Gael23


      Deleted User wrote: »
      This is just plain and simple nonsense. Its like people believe there are vaccines sitting on shelves waiting for a buyer

      Vaccines were touted as the end game of this but now they are saying they don’t stop transmission so we need to keep this existence up


    1. #5691
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      Gael23 wrote: »

        Vaccines were touted as the end game of this but now they are saying they don’t stop transmission so we need to keep this existence up

        Vaccines are the end game, there is just a fear in the authorities that people will go nuts before there has been enough rolled out to have a significant impact


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      2. #5692
        titan18
        Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,057 ✭✭✭✭titan18


        hmmm wrote: »
        The idea that Ireland would have out-competed France, Germany, Italy, Spain etc. for vaccines is ludicrous. We are lucky they agreed to be part of a Europe-wide deal.

        Just look at Canada for how it would probably have turned out.

        https://edition.cnn.com/2021/02/11/world/canada-vaccine-rollout-failure/index.html
        "The Canadian government thought it could pay to play in the global race to vaccinate its way back to normal life. But as its vaccine supply slowed to a trickle in February, Canada remains on the sidelines of that race despite buying more vaccines doses per capita than, likely, any other country on Earth."

        Also, look at Serbia. Sure, they're using the Russian one, but as a prospective EU nation, for them, it looks better to be outside the EU than in for these vaccines as they've far more vaccinated now than they would have in the EU


      3. #5693
        [Deleted User]
        Posts: 232 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


        Gael23 wrote: »

          Vaccines were touted as the end game of this but now they are saying they don’t stop transmission so we need to keep this existence up

          The Government is in a really dangerous place just now.

          They need people to buy into the vaccine programme. They've done that to date by promising that the lockdown will be eased when the vulnerable are vaccinated, and lifted when large parts of the population are.

          If they now turn round and say "ah actually it doesn't matter how many people get vaccinated, Micheál is scared and is keeping you all under house arrest, what are you going to do, there's four years until the next election", they completely undermine their own vaccination programme.

          Deleted User wrote: »
          This is just plain and simple nonsense. Its like people believe there are vaccines sitting on shelves waiting for a buyer

          Russian and Chinese vaccines are available for purchase, and our Government is refusing to consider their use because Micheál Martin wants to be a European Commissioner.

          This was the same reason we were placed under house arrest for almost all of last year whilst dozens of flights a day landed from Poland, Romania, Lithuania etc.
          We're not stupid. If they keep reneging on their own statements, people will just stop listening.

          They reneged on the plan for living with Covid on the day it was released. The Minister for Health can take two different, sometimes opposing, positions in the same statement.

          They're in for a huge shock if they think they're going to push another lockdown on us after March 5th, especially when they've put a special "Taoiseach, Taoiseach's family, Taoiseach's staff, Taoiseach's advisers, Taoiseach's mates" category in the vaccination schedule and put it ahead of the old and vulnerable.


        1. #5694
          [Deleted User]
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          titan18 wrote: »
          Also, look at Serbia. Sure, they're using the Russian one, but as a prospective EU nation, for them, it looks better to be outside the EU than in for these vaccines as they've far more vaccinated now than they would have in the EU

          Looks like Russia are prioritising vaccine supply to countries with the opportunity to embarrass Europe rather than to their own people


        2. #5695
          oceanman
          Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,783 ✭✭✭oceanman


          lawred2 wrote: »
          2021 hasn't been amazing for the EU PR wise on the island of Ireland
          or anywhere else for that matter......layers upon layers of bureaucracy at play all the time.


        3. #5696
          runawaybishop
          Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,517 ✭✭✭runawaybishop


          donfers wrote: »
          UK 450,000 vaccinations yesterday alone

          Ireland, less than half of that since time began

          Embarrasingly slow in comparison to our nearest neighbours

          The UK had 1k deaths the other day, we had less than 60!

          Oh wait, you forgot to account for the huge population difference. Whoops. Once we have the vaccines we plan on doing pretty much the same numbers, proportionally, as the UK.


        4. #5697
          [Deleted User]
          Posts: 232 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


          Deleted User wrote: »
          Looks like Russia are prioritising vaccine supply to countries with the opportunity to embarrass Europe rather than to their own people

          Looks like some people would rather mass house arrest continue and people keep dying than consider a non-EU vaccine.
          runawaybishop wrote: »
          The UK had 1k deaths the other day, we had less than 60!

          Oh wait, you forgot to account for the huge population difference. Whoops. Once we have the vaccines we plan on doing pretty much the same numbers, proportionally, as the UK.

          Scotland, with almost the exact same population as us, has vaccinated over a million people, and is vaccinating 1% of its population every single day.

          We will vaccinate fewer than 30,000 people this week, and probably won't hit the cumulative quarter-million mark until later this month.

          The first meeting of our vaccination team did not occur until November, eight months after Leo's lockdown.


        5. #5698
          titan18
          Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,057 ✭✭✭✭titan18


          Deleted User wrote: »
          Looks like Russia are prioritising vaccine supply to countries with the opportunity to embarrass Europe rather than to their own people

          Well, it's working. If I was Serbia, I'd definitely feel much more gracious and open to working with Russia going forward than the EU.


        6. #5699
          [Deleted User]
          Posts: 10,049 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


          b0nk1e wrote: »
          The Government is in a really dangerous place just now.

          They need people to buy into the vaccine programme. They've done that to date by promising that the lockdown will be eased when the vulnerable are vaccinated, and lifted when large parts of the population are.

          If they now turn round and say "ah actually it doesn't matter how many people get vaccinated, Micheál is scared and is keeping you all under house arrest, what are you going to do, there's four years until the next election", they completely undermine their own vaccination programme.




          Russian and Chinese vaccines are available for purchase, and our Government is refusing to consider their use because Micheál Martin wants to be a European Commissioner.

          This was the same reason we were placed under house arrest for almost all of last year whilst dozens of flights a day landed from Poland, Romania, Lithuania etc.
          We're not stupid. If they keep reneging on their own statements, people will just stop listening.

          They reneged on the plan for living with Covid on the day it was released. The Minister for Health can take two different, sometimes opposing, positions in the same statement.

          They're in for a huge shock if they think they're going to push another lockdown on us after March 5th, especially when they've put a special "Taoiseach, Taoiseach's family, Taoiseach's staff, Taoiseach's advisers, Taoiseach's mates" category in the vaccination schedule and put it ahead of the old and vulnerable.

          You are embarrassing yourself with your ill informed rhetoric. Why have Russia only distributed 3.9 million doses in Russia itself? Why are they entering into arrangements with a German manufacturer to increase capacity? So far they are using the vaccine as a propaganda tool. When they have capacity, it will be another vaccine in the arsenal


        7. #5700
          podgeandrodge
          Site Banned Posts: 5,975 ✭✭✭podgeandrodge


          Sweet.Science wrote: »
          Fauci on tv saying they US may have turned the corner re the disease but not to become complacent

          Very optimistic message

          Here - Level 5 lockdown until May

          In the US people can travel from State to State pretty easily, a lot more than 5km :D And many states have bars open for outside service.

          There does seem to be big differences across the world in how tight restrictions are. But figures falling everywhere perhaps at a similar level?


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        9. #5701
          latency89
          Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 135 ✭✭latency89


          The HorsesMouth wrote: »
          War torn extremists or not we humans are all made of the same stuff. Science doesn't care about political ideology or wars. Same reason scientists think this island can do zero covid19. Why wouldn't luke o Neill think they are doing great in terms of vaccines? They are.

          Depends what your goals are

          Our governments goal is sub 100 cases a day for 6 weeks to restrict lockdown?

          Israel cases are at 5000 cases a day, we are at 800 ( down from 8000 a day ), they are down from 8000 cases a day to 5000 case day, dreadful reduction and they lockdown on the 27th Dec like we did ( well 26th Dec here )

          They have 60% population vaccinated, we don't even have 6% :pac: and we are dropping cases way faster.

          They are easing restrictions in Israel at 5000 cases day, bat**** crazy our government would think

          If our government talked about ICU, hospilisations targets we could compare Israel, as vaccines do work great here, but if we look at cases only and so far vaccination data to reduce cases population wise in Israel hasn't done much as they are a basket case, full of extremists.

          Israel 1st Jan, 5000 cases, Israel Feb 11th 5000 cases, 60% population vaccinated with 1st dose, full lockdown, great results :rolleyes:


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