Covid 19 Part XXXII-215,743 ROI (4,137 deaths)111,166 NI (2,036 deaths)(22/02)Read OP

SheepsClothing · 12-02-2021 11:20AM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

So it's been proven that SA strain avoids the vaccine, when was this evidence presented?

So it's proven that the Aztra Zenica vaccine (which forms a significant part of Ireland's roll out plan) works on the SA strain? When was this evidence presented?

Plumbthedepths · 12-02-2021 11:23AM

SheepsClothing wrote: »

So it's proven that the Aztra Zenica vaccine (which forms a significant part of Ireland's roll out plan) works on the SA strain? When was this evidence presented?

You made the claim about the SA variant avoiding the vaccine so either back it up or stop spoofing.

12-02-2021 11:26AM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

You made the claim about the SA variant avoiding the vaccine so either back it up or stop spoofing.

People who are enjoying the lockdown are absolutely desperate to find a vaccine-beating variant.

lawred2 · 12-02-2021 11:30AM

b0nk1e wrote: »

People who are enjoying the lockdown are absolutely desperate to find a vaccine-beating variant.

you find plenty of them on here

SheepsClothing · 12-02-2021 11:31AM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

You made the claim about the SA variant avoiding the vaccine so either back it up or stop spoofing.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-55999678

The nation of South Africa seem to think, it's not working. Maybe they're just spoofers as well who love lockdown so much they are abandoning a vaccine. Now show me your proof it works baby!!

Klonker · 12-02-2021 11:31AM

SheepsClothing wrote: »

That's where we need real, aggressive contact tracing. Any outbreak needs to be hunted down in the community, like it's done in East Asia. Ultimately, vaccines will help reduce the danger of a community outbreak over time and the main cases we will need to be concerned with are those from the South African or another vaccine evading strain.

You've a lot more faith in our test and trace than I do then. I think zero covid here would be a disaster and I hope its never discussed again. Most people calling for it don't even understand what they're calling for. All they hear is we can go back to living normally which won't happen. It's particularly ridiculous when we have vaccines being rolled out at the same time which is the end game to restrictions anyway.

techdiver · 12-02-2021 11:34AM

People who continue to bang on about zero covid don't understand how trade works into this country, especially compared to the zero covid poster boy of New Zealand. Zero covid requires that you 100% close your border and mandatory quarantine every arrival without exception.

Freight arrives in Ireland for the most part along with drivers. We don't have the infrastructure to deal with driverless freight in Ireland. So if you like nice things like food etc (and yes to grow food and raise cattle we import argi products to enable that, along with importing seasonal products we don't have at certain times of the year) zero covid won't work as we cannot quarantined every driver that enters the country whilst keeping the flow of goods alive.

Add the above to the fact that we have a border with another jurisdiction that would be impossible to control, due to it's size and the fact that so many people cross both ways for essential work, it's anion runner.

SheepsClothing · 12-02-2021 11:35AM

b0nk1e wrote: »

People who are enjoying the lockdown are absolutely desperate to find a vaccine-beating variant.

People so weak minded, that they'd rather stick on a blindfold, say their prayers and hope for the best, rather than have plan for the possibility that something could go wrong.

SheepsClothing · 12-02-2021 11:37AM

techdiver wrote: »

People who continue to bang on about zero covid don't understand how trade works into this country, especially compared to the zero covid poster boy of New Zealand. Zero covid requires that you 100% close your border and mandatory quarantine every arrival without exception.

Freight arrives in Ireland for the most part along with drivers. We don't have the infrastructure to deal with driverless freight in Ireland. So if you like nice things like food etc (and yes to grow food and raise cattle we import argi products to enable that, along with importing seasonal products we don't have at certain times of the year) zero covid won't work as we cannot quarantined every driver that enters the country whilst keeping the flow of goods alive.

Add the above to the fact that we have a border with another jurisdiction that would be impossible to control, due to it's size and the fact that so many people cross both ways for essential work, it's anion runner.

Vietnam is a "zero covid" country with 4 land borders and goods being transported over their borders via lorry. If they can do it, we can do it. Enough of this loser mentality.

12-02-2021 11:39AM

What a price FF is going to pay at the ballot box if the people of Ireland are looking after Easter and seeing every other country in Europe socialising safely with people back to work and play, while we're still under house arrest, while we're vaccinating about three old people a week and Micheál Martin is demanding we just have a fourth extension to house arrest and we'll review it after that, and we've all to #holdfirm and #flattenthecurve.

That photo on the sideboard with President Biden is going to get very old, very quickly.

Varadkar is many things, but stupid is not one of them. An autumn General Election could wipe FF out, given the extent of the public anger towards the Taoiseach's continuous reneging on lifting restrictions while himself clambering over the old and sick in the vaccination queue so he can go gallivanting abroad. I wonder will Varadkar go for it.

12-02-2021 11:39AM

latency89 wrote: »

Was always the correct approach

China showed the world how to do it a year ago, only a few have followed

NZ, Aus etc with great success

You notice China are very relaxed about vaccines, it's like they think its not the only approach.

Israel is a basket case, war torn, extremists, a mess of a place and who are we following

Bloody Israel

Luke O'Neill and wanna be virologists here linking daily studies of how great they are doing

Israels problem is that the two large groups with the highest infection rates are the two groups most resistant to both taking the vaccine and adhering to any restrictions. Orthodox Jews and Israeli Arabs

CruelSummer · 12-02-2021 11:39AM

SheepsClothing wrote: »

Vietnam is a "zero covid" country with 4 land borders and goods being transported over their borders via lorry. If they can do it, we can do it. Enough of this loser mentality.

Anyone who suggests Vietnam is giving us a true picture of what’s actually happening on the ground, sums up the extremist views I associate with those advocating for zero Covid.

Plumbthedepths · 12-02-2021 11:41AM

SheepsClothing wrote: »

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-55999678

The nation of South Africa seem to think, it's not working. Maybe they're just spoofers as well who love lockdown so much they are abandoning a vaccine. Now show me your proof it works baby!!

Thankfully the WHO disagrees with the BS you're posting as do the majority of experts.
My ignore list is getting longer.

Plumbthedepths · 12-02-2021 11:42AM

b0nk1e wrote: »

People who are enjoying the lockdown are absolutely desperate to find a vaccine-beating variant.

Miserable existence tbh.

SheepsClothing · 12-02-2021 11:46AM

CruelSummer wrote: »

Anyone who suggests Vietnam is giving us a true picture of what’s actually happening on the ground, sums up the extremist views I associate with those advocating for zero Covid.

Do you have any evidence that Vietnam is lying? People actually in Vietnam don't seem to think so.

https://twitter.com/eenriquelopez/status/1332941676533272578

Show your workings.

kwestfan08 · 12-02-2021 11:48AM

Just two weeks to flatten the curve guys c’mon let’s all pull together.........

SheepsClothing · 12-02-2021 11:48AM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Thankfully the WHO disagrees with the BS you're posting as do the majority of experts.
My ignore list is getting longer.

Show me the evidence baby!!

Ignore, ah come on, harden up will ya. I know the possibility that anything may go wrong can be difficult for some people, but just shutting out the world won't get you very far.

Sweet.Science · 12-02-2021 11:54AM

Fauci on tv saying they US may have turned the corner re the disease but not to become complacent

Very optimistic message

Here - Level 5 lockdown until May

CruelSummer · 12-02-2021 12:01PM

SheepsClothing wrote: »

Do you have any evidence that Vietnam is lying? People actually in Vietnam don't seem to think so.

https://twitter.com/eenriquelopez/status/1332941676533272578

Show your workings.

You’re right, my bad. Places like Vietnam and China are beacons of truth and honesty for this pandemic.

SheepsClothing · 12-02-2021 12:02PM

CruelSummer wrote: »

You’re right, my bad. Places like Vietnam and China are beacons of truth and honesty for this pandemic.

So no evidence then? ok.

CruelSummer · 12-02-2021 12:04PM

SheepsClothing wrote: »

So no evidence then? ok.

Sure. When we discover how to make pigs fly, I’m sure we’ll manage to unearth evidence of the Vietnamese miracle approach.

Plumbthedepths · 12-02-2021 12:05PM

CruelSummer wrote: »

Sure. When we discover how to make pigs fly, I’m sure we’ll manage to unearth evidence of the Vietnamese miracle approach.

Best to ignore WUM.

suicide_circus · 12-02-2021 12:08PM

SheepsClothing wrote: »

Do you have any evidence that Vietnam is lying? People actually in Vietnam don't seem to think so.

https://twitter.com/eenriquelopez/status/1332941676533272578

Show your workings.

Is this the one party state communist vietnam in which all opposition is silenced?

SheepsClothing · 12-02-2021 12:11PM

suicide_circus wrote: »

Is this the one party state communist vietnam in which all opposition is silenced?

Is this person lying? Do you have any evidence?

Ficheall · 12-02-2021 12:12PM

b0nk1e wrote: »

People who are enjoying the lockdown are absolutely desperate to find a vaccine-beating variant.

That's as valid as saying people who want to ease restrictions are hoping it will lead to more cases and deaths.

suicide_circus · 12-02-2021 12:14PM

SheepsClothing wrote: »

Is this person lying? Do you have any evidence?

Do you have evidence they're not lying? Is this person known to you? It's an entirely anecdotal post. I wouldn't believe a word out of any one party communist state, if you choose to that's your affair. Its a lovely place but not somewhere i'd expect openness from the authorities

SheepsClothing · 12-02-2021 12:16PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Best to ignore WUM.

I'm still waiting for you to prove that the AZ vaccine works on the South Africa strain.

May be waiting a while.....

lawred2 · 12-02-2021 12:17PM

SheepsClothing wrote: »

I'm still waiting for you to prove that the AZ vaccine works on the South Africa strain.

May be waiting a while.....

Can you "prove" it doesn't?

Can anyone on here "prove" anything? Let's be honest here; every single poster is passing off other people's research

12-02-2021 12:18PM

suicide_circus wrote: »

Do you have evidence they're not lying? Is this person known to you? It's an entirely anecdotal post. I wouldn't believe a word out of any one party communist state, if you choose to that's your affair. Its a lovely place but not somewhere i'd expect openness from the authorities

This is a bit bizarre. There is no evidence that the Covid situation in Vietnam is worse than reported, yet we have "prove they are not lying" being used as an argument.

12-02-2021 12:20PM

SheepsClothing wrote: »

I'm still waiting for you to prove that the AZ vaccine works on the South Africa strain.

May be waiting a while.....

Its like you want it not to work. In one discussion here you are being asked to prove the impossible re: Vietnam, and in another you are holding someone to the same impossible standard.

Covid 19 Part XXXII-215,743 ROI (4,137 deaths)111,166 NI (2,036 deaths)(22/02)Read OP

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