Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VIII Read OP For Mod Warnings

walus · 11-02-2021 11:51PM

SafeSurfer wrote: »

My thoughts on lockdown restrictions are these.

The constitution guarantees that government respects the rights of citizens.

These rights can only be revoked in the interests of the public good.

The government decide what is in the interests of the public good.

We are fcuked so.

Hmob · 11-02-2021 11:51PM

PTH2009 wrote: »

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/no-agreement-on-when-economy-might-reopen-says-varadkar-1.4482086?mode=amp

Makes no sense

"He told Social Democrats joint leader Catherine Murphy that it could be argued that it would be “disproportionate to impose mandatory hotel quarantine on people who don’t have Covid”, when the State does not do that to people resident in Ireland who have the virus."

Sure we're quarantining against new variants so not comparable to residents here

FintanMcluskey · 11-02-2021 11:53PM

PTH2009 wrote: »

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/no-agreement-on-when-economy-might-reopen-says-varadkar-1.4482086?mode=amp

Flatten the curve eh

Let’s buy the health service time

“It’s not just the positivity ratio, it’s not just the number of people in ICU. It’s not just the number of people in hospital. This is not just the number of hospital beds available, you have to look at all of these things”.

Captain Pillowcase · 11-02-2021 11:54PM

daydorunrun wrote: »

I've looked for that email list but can't find it as I intend to do likewise. Any chance you could repost it?

Attachment not found.

Jinglejangle69 · 11-02-2021 11:58PM

normanoffside wrote: »

All our media is sponsored by government via HSE ads. It's their main source of income right now.
People listen to the media and DR Tony and the Opposition parties figure they will gain more support by demanding even harsher restrictions than are advised. Government see the gaining support for the opposition and get support back by calling for harsher restrictions themselves.

It's a vicious circle and we won't get out of it until some mainstream media or politicians start questioning it all.
At the minute we have only some sensible independent politicians like Michael McNamara talking about this.
It's no wonder the TV channels prefer to highlight the Healy Raes instead of McNamara to try to convince everyone that all opposition are loons.

Niall Boylan questions it every day.

The HorsesMouth · 12-02-2021 12:01AM

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Niall Boylan questions it every day.

Not mainstream enough. Ivan Yates could have made a difference but he upped.

Silentcorner · 12-02-2021 12:08AM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Flatten the curve eh

Let’s buy the health service time

And yet you still have people on here believing that is this is to save our health system...I don't know what it is going to take to snap these people out of it.

We are trapped in a cycle of woeful political decisions that we can't snap ourselves out of...throw in what can only be described as propaganda (the absence of alternative positions or opinions in media) the power of social media and you get a mess that is going to take some amount of undoing.

A lot of countries have different versions of the above to be fair, but we seem to have a particularly thick skulled set of health bureaucrats and politicians.

It really is going to take mass civil disobediance to snap ourselves out of this.

If you ask yourself, if we opened up tomorrow, would you feel safe or in danger of infection or would you feel relief that it is finally over, if it is the latter then it's time to stop participating in this madness.

Hmob · 12-02-2021 12:30AM

Count Basie wrote: »

Reopen and let us live again for Christ's sake. This isn't the Spanish Flu or the Black Death. Let us take our chances. Those who are scared of the virus can sit at home.

Being realistic;

Novel virus

Lockdown

Wait for vaccines , vaccinate and open up

I'm ok with those stages but running out of patience if this drags on much longer

dublinbando · 12-02-2021 12:55AM

Level 5 until September, let that sink in..

BiggJim · 12-02-2021 01:06AM

dublinbando wrote: »

Level 5 until September, let that sink in..

I honestly think that's whats going to happen?

And at that stage they may as well keep it going over Christmas and wait untill spring time to ease restrictions. We wouldn't want another surge from people taking the piss like this December.

TimeToShine · 12-02-2021 01:09AM

I have to say I don't agree with the Holohan bashing at all. He is supposed to be a health advisor, it's down to the government to weigh up the impacts across the board and come to a decision. The fact that they're an incompetent bunch who have shown no evidence of a cost-benefit analysis or any forward thinking when it comes to roadmaps/exit strategies is down to them and them alone, not Tony.

This is what happens when all your talent joins the private sector or emigrates, the public service is full of near bottom of the barrel personnel looking for a tidy salary and golden pension in exchange for minimal work; this has been the case for years if not decades and we let the brown envelope culture slip by but we are paying for it now. If a private sector firm were showing these kind of "results" with the same level of justification everyone involved would have been fired five times over.

GT89 · 12-02-2021 01:10AM

Boggles wrote: »

It's just a pandemic.

So was Swine Flu in 2009 don't remember any lockdowns, masks, zoom calls or social distancing that time.

dublinbando · 12-02-2021 01:16AM

Only physical health matters though right? mental health isn't real and is a none issue in this Country. People don't commit suicide here, only tragic accidents happen.

SafeSurfer · 12-02-2021 01:19AM

GT89 wrote: »

So was Swine Flu in 2009 don't remember any lockdowns, masks, zoom calls or social distancing that time.

The H1N1 swine flu was a fake pandemic facilitated by the WHO to enrich big pharma.

https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/news/health/was-swine-flu-threat-exaggerated-1.1241758%3fmode=amp

eleventh · 12-02-2021 01:25AM

The HorsesMouth wrote: »

......There is NOBODY questioning this. The media and our opposition parties are failing the system. There are no checks and balances at the moment and Leo and the rest are literally allowed throw about any comment they like without having to fully explain to the good people of this country where we are going, how we are going to get there and when will that be.

They're all in it together. As long as they're all paid off, that's all that matters to them.
I'm surprised people are surprised! It's been that way for a while... only now getting attention of some when their own lives are now affected.

The way this country has gone, I guarantee that if lockdowns & restrictions were against one segment of the population only, almost no-one else would care once they themselves weren't affected.

People not caring about what's right or wrong in principle for so long is what's got us here.

Richard Hillman · 12-02-2021 01:43AM

dublinbando wrote: »

Only physical health matters though right? mental health isn't real and is a none issue in this Country. People don't commit suicide here, only tragic accidents happen.

The 200 Zillion mental health NGOs are keeping quiet too. They know their pay day is coming soon.

josip · 12-02-2021 01:53AM

dublinbando wrote: »

Level 5 until September, let that sink in..

Sorry, couldn't resist.

SafeSurfer · 12-02-2021 01:53AM

Richard Hillman wrote: »

The 200 Zillion mental health NGOs are keeping quiet too. They know their pay day is coming soon.

Great point. The worse it gets, the better for them in the long run.

fin12 · 12-02-2021 01:58AM

Count Basie wrote: »

Reopen and let us live again for Christ's sake. This isn't the Spanish Flu or the Black Death. Let us take our chances. Those who are scared of the virus can sit at home.

What the Irish guy says here in this Titanic clip is what we all should be saying to the rats up in the dail, give us a chance to live...

12-02-2021 02:01AM

“Over the last month - the last 30 days - 1,536 people have died (of COVID-19) in the State of Israel. More than 97% of them had not been vaccinated. Fewer than 3% had been vaccinated.”

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-israel/more-than-97-of-recent-covid-deaths-in-israel-were-people-who-werent-vaccinated-pm-says-idUSKBN2A91KU

Once the over 70s are vaccinated there is no excuse for these draconian measures to continue, and the pretense that the government is interested in saving lives will stop being a shield.

Hmob · 12-02-2021 02:29AM

Richard Hillman wrote: »

The 200 Zillion mental health NGOs are keeping quiet too. They know their pay day is coming soon.

Hmm ya

Where are they , not a dickybird

Hmob · 12-02-2021 02:34AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

“Over the last month - the last 30 days - 1,536 people have died (of COVID-19) in the State of Israel. More than 97% of them had not been vaccinated. Fewer than 3% had been vaccinated.”

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-israel/more-than-97-of-recent-covid-deaths-in-israel-were-people-who-werent-vaccinated-pm-says-idUSKBN2A91KU

Once the over 70s are vaccinated there is no excuse for these draconian measures to continue, and the pretense that the government is interested in saving lives will stop being a shield.

There'll be a whole load of new stats invented to keep us down

bb1234567 · 12-02-2021 02:35AM

GT89 wrote: »

So was Swine Flu in 2009 don't remember any lockdowns, masks, zoom calls or social distancing that time.

Europe didn't see a million excess deaths in swine flu now did it

Hmob · 12-02-2021 02:41AM

Tony will have us waging war on this SA strain and keeping the next deadly variant out.

That'll be the next battleground when we've dealt with Covid 1.

Unless someone takes the mic off him

tdf7187 · 12-02-2021 06:26AM

SafeSurfer wrote: »

My thoughts on lockdown restrictions are these.

The constitution guarantees that government respects the rights of citizens.

These rights can only be revoked in the interests of the public good.

The government decide what is in the interests of the public good.

No, they don't. You are literally advocating totalitarianism.

Multipass · 12-02-2021 06:36AM

Richard Hillman wrote: »

The 200 Zillion mental health NGOs are keeping quiet too. They know their pay day is coming soon.

St Patrick’s hospital raised their fees by 25% in December.

tdf7187 · 12-02-2021 06:42AM

Multipass wrote: »

St Patrick’s hospital raised their fees by 25% in December.

Yeah I saw that. I am a former inpatient.

Penfailed · 12-02-2021 06:55AM

dublinbando wrote: »

Level 5 until September, let that sink in..

Why would I let that sink in? It's not going to happen.

Penfailed · 12-02-2021 06:59AM

GT89 wrote: »

So was Swine Flu in 2009 don't remember any lockdowns, masks, zoom calls or social distancing that time.

Zoom wasn't even a thing then...

ceadaoin. · 12-02-2021 08:14AM

Boggles wrote: »

It's just a pandemic.

So how far are you prepared to allow the goalposts to be moved? My post you replied to is a few examples so far of how much the parameters have changed. Do you personally intend to just go with these restrictions as long as they say? How long? 2 years? 5? Do you have a cut off point?

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