Garda Dance Video Mod Warning in OP

kaymin · 11-02-2021 03:14PM

mynamejeff wrote: »

from the vague details you've provided there you seem to be suggesting you reported that you were unhappy with some garda not doing as you wanted ?

At least two gardai and a superintendent told you it was not in their remit to investigate and passed you onto to gsoc who's job it is to look into such things and they are ,

system seems to be working for you

No, they didn't say it was not in their remit and they didn't pass me onto GSOC.

It is not GSOC's role to investigate crimes unless it involves gardai themselves.

It is up to the gardai to investigate the crime that I'm a victim of. And hopefully GSOC will force them to do that given that they have admitted my complaint and stated that it will be investigated as a disciplinary complaint.

Effects · 11-02-2021 03:16PM

BiggJim wrote: »

It would suit them better to catch criminals and nevermind making stupid dance videos.

Why would they catch criminals in their own time, when they aren't at work?

purifol0 · 11-02-2021 03:18PM

Effects wrote: »

Why would they catch criminals in their own time, when they aren't at work?

If its their own time and they're not on duty, then they sure as hell shouldn't be in uniform.

mynamejeff · 11-02-2021 03:49PM

kaymin wrote: »

No, they didn't say it was not in their remit and they didn't pass me onto GSOC.

It is not GSOC's role to investigate crimes unless it involves gardai themselves.

It is up to the gardai to investigate the crime that I'm a victim of. And hopefully GSOC will force them to do that given that they have admitted my complaint and stated that it will be investigated as a disciplinary complaint.

im fairly sure you've misunderstood what gsoc can do there

kaymin · 11-02-2021 03:59PM

mynamejeff wrote: »

im fairly sure you've misunderstood what gsoc can do there

Well you seem to know what you're talking about so enlighten me :rolleyes:

If GSOC find in my favour then when I make the report to the gardai again they will need to act unless the gardai want to find themselves subject to another disciplinary proceedings. It ain't complicated

Green Peter · 11-02-2021 04:01PM

kaymin wrote: »

Well you seem to know what you're talking about so enlighten me :rolleyes:

If GSOC find in my favour then when I make the report to the gardai again they will need to act unless the gardai want to find themselves subject to another disciplinary proceedings. It ain't complicated

And if GSOC don't?

kaymin · 11-02-2021 04:06PM

Green Peter wrote: »

And if GSOC don't?

I haven't thought about it

mynamejeff · 11-02-2021 04:11PM

kaymin wrote: »

Well you seem to know what you're talking about so enlighten me :rolleyes:

If GSOC find in my favour then when I make the report to the gardai again they will need to act unless the gardai want to find themselves subject to another disciplinary proceedings. It ain't complicated

actually I was pointing out that you don't seem to

you seem to feel very strongly and without knowing the details of your issue it wouldn't be fair to "enlighten" you

however gsoc lack either the remit or the ability to demand a garda does something that requires no garda action

do you want to try that again with out the childish attempt at being condescending ?

EmmetSpiceland · 11-02-2021 04:13PM

mynamejeff wrote: »

however gsoc lack either the remit or the ability to demand a garda does something that requires no garda action.

So you’re saying the gardaí won’t be compelled to stock the form holders in the lobby before 9am?

mynamejeff · 11-02-2021 04:17PM

EmmetSpiceland wrote: »

So you’re saying the gardaí won’t be compelled to stock the form holders in the lobby before 9am?

not till after the pudding box is delivered to the station at least

Acosta · 11-02-2021 04:21PM

Not bothered about the dancing. It's lame, but I don't care. I do find it annoying but not surprising that so many appear to have an issue with this, yet aren't bothered that there was no apology from them regarding the part they played in the Mother And Baby homes.

Allinall · 11-02-2021 04:21PM

purifol0 wrote: »

If its their own time and they're not on duty, then they sure as hell shouldn't be in uniform.

Why not?

What do they wear getting to and from work?

kaymin · 11-02-2021 04:31PM

mynamejeff wrote: »

actually I was pointing out that you don't seem to

you seem to feel very strongly and without knowing the details of your issue it wouldn't be fair to "enlighten" you

however gsoc lack either the remit or the ability to demand a garda does something that requires no garda action

do you want to try that again with out the childish attempt at being condescending ?

How about reading my post in full. I'll repeat it for you:

If GSOC find in my favour then when I make the report to the gardai again they will need to act unless the gardai want to find themselves subject to another disciplinary proceedings. It ain't complicated.

It's really no different to any employer / employee relationship. If an employee refuses to do something in their job description they will be disciplined. No-one can be forced to do anything but you are clutching at straws with this line of argument. Would you happen to be a garda?

mynamejeff · 11-02-2021 05:07PM

kaymin wrote: »

How about reading my post in full. I'll repeat it for you:

If GSOC find in my favour then when I make the report to the gardai again they will need to act unless the gardai want to find themselves subject to another disciplinary proceedings. It ain't complicated.

It's really no different to any employer / employee relationship. If an employee refuses to do something in their job description they will be disciplined. No-one can be forced to do anything but you are clutching at straws with this line of argument. Would you happen to be a garda?

You've highlighted the very bit that you are misunderstanding,

you think the criminal justice system is not complicated ?

No , do you often accuse people who disagree with you of that ?

Samsonsmasher · 11-02-2021 05:26PM

The video is sh*te

ShatterAlan · 11-02-2021 06:08PM

purifol0 wrote: »

If its their own time and they're not on duty, then they sure as hell shouldn't be in uniform.

Ah bollocks.

Are they on duty when they march in a parade in uniform along with members of the defense forces, e.g. the 2016 Easter Rising centenary? And if they are on duty are you going to complain that they and the soldiers should be out catching criminals or fighting foreign invaders rather than parading down a street in Dublin on the sacred taxpayer's dime?

purifol0 · 11-02-2021 10:32PM

Allinall wrote: »

Why not?

What do they wear getting to and from work?

It is illegal for anybody to wear a state uniform when not on duty, or if they're not a member of the Defence Forces /An Garda Síochána / Fire Brigade / if they decide to don the uniform they are guilty of an offence. It amounts to impersonating an officer of the state.

11-02-2021 10:35PM

purifol0 wrote: »

It is illegal for anybody to wear a state uniform when not on duty, or if they're not a member of the Defence Forces /An Garda Síochána / Fire Brigade / if they decide to don the uniform they are guilty of an offence. It amounts to impersonating an officer of the state.

Where did you find this piece of law?

Witcher · 11-02-2021 10:36PM

purifol0 wrote: »

It is illegal for anybody to wear a state uniform when not on duty, or if they're not a member of the Defence Forces /An Garda Síochána / Fire Brigade / if they decide to don the uniform they are guilty of an offence. It amounts to impersonating an officer of the state.

Which law is that?

Throw up a link there, cheers

purifol0 · 11-02-2021 10:37PM

ShatterAlan wrote: »

Ah bollocks.

Are they on duty when they march in a parade in uniform along with members of the defense forces, e.g. the 2016 Easter Rising centenary? And if they are on duty are you going to complain that they and the soldiers should be out catching criminals or fighting foreign invaders rather than parading down a street in Dublin on the sacred taxpayer's dime?

You do realise that they are indeed on duty for parades? And that they are ordered to do these by govt.

I doubt Jerusalema was ordered by the top brass. If it was it would have costs a fortune and they would have trotted out the Garda band (a real great use of taxpayers money them)

purifol0 · 11-02-2021 10:39PM

bubblypop wrote: »

Where did you find this piece of law?

Witcher wrote: »

Which law is that?

Throw up a link there, cheers

http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/1954/act/18/section/264/enacted/en/html

Witcher · 11-02-2021 10:40PM

purifol0 wrote: »

http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/1954/act/18/section/264/enacted/en/html

The first line-

'not being a member of the Defence Forces'

No mention of on/off duty.

Thanks for that, so you're talking crap.

Effects · 11-02-2021 11:57PM

purifol0 wrote: »

It is illegal for anybody to wear a state uniform when not on duty, or if they're not a member of the Defence Forces /An Garda Síochána / Fire Brigade / if they decide to don the uniform they are guilty of an offence. It amounts to impersonating an officer of the state.

Is that why Redrock got cancelled? Cause all the actors kept getting arrested for wearing Garda uniforms?

maestroamado · 12-02-2021 09:23AM

For me this was sanctioned at the top as I read here HQ was in it. It really surprising me that this was allowed as it shows Gardaí as unprofessional. If we are responsible people and want to be taken seriously this not the way. Did many other police forces take up this challenge?

beggars_bush · 12-02-2021 10:45AM

Fair play to them

I'm sure many people in the community got enjoyment from it.
And it probably helped morale in the force

kaymin · 12-02-2021 11:44AM

mynamejeff wrote: »

You've highlighted the very bit that you are misunderstanding,

you think the criminal justice system is not complicated ?

No , do you often accuse people who disagree with you of that ?

We weren't discussing whether the criminal justice system is complicated. You seem easily confused.

Effects · 12-02-2021 12:55PM

maestroamado wrote: »

It really surprising me that this was allowed as it shows Gardaí as unprofessional. If we are responsible people and want to be taken seriously this not the way. Did many other police forces take up this challenge?

A lot of police forces around the world have been doing stuff like this for years.

BiggJim · 12-02-2021 01:08PM

beggars_bush wrote: »

Fair play to them

I'm sure many people in the community got enjoyment from it.
And it probably helped morale in the force

They'd probably get more enjoyment from having all the knife wielding little scumbags taken off the streets.

Effects · 12-02-2021 01:24PM

BiggJim wrote: »

They'd probably get more enjoyment from having all the knife wielding little scumbags taken off the streets.

I think you are overestimating the work the Gardaí can accomplish, by 100 of them spending an extra hour of their free time at work instead of making a silly dance video.

mynamejeff · 12-02-2021 02:47PM

kaymin wrote: »

We weren't discussing whether the criminal justice system is complicated. You seem easily confused.

from your posts it seems you have some issue that you feel is a police issue ,
they ( at least two gardai and a superintendent ) have looked at your issue and believe that it is not. likely a civil issue between you and some one else or a company.
you believe that gsoc are going to force the gardai to do something that they believe they can not or should not do. you are not correct. gsoc might attempt punish the gardai but can not force them to do what ever it is you want them to do.

There is a whole industry full of well educated and paid people who work solely in the criminal justice system in this country. but sure im sure you this simple and straightforward system understand it better that them

:D

or you just made the whole thing up to have a moan on the internet about the gardai for your own reasons :pac::pac:

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