Garda Dance Video *Mod Warning in OP*

mynamejeff

kaymin wrote: »

GSOC have admitted my case based on what I've told them and they are verifying what I have said which is 100% truthful. It's not an isolated incident - I raised it separately 3 times, in two Garda stations and with a superintendent and received the same dismissive response. It is neglect of duty and I'm confident that GSOC will conclude it as such.

For context the Irish authorities have imprisoned someone for the same crime I have been a victim of on foot of an extradition warrant from the US where they will stand trial

from the vague details you've provided there you seem to be suggesting you reported that you were unhappy with some garda not doing as you wanted ?

At least two gardai and a superintendent told you it was not in their remit to investigate and passed you onto to gsoc who's job it is to look into such things and they are ,

system seems to be working for you

kaymin

mynamejeff wrote: »

from the vague details you've provided there you seem to be suggesting you reported that you were unhappy with some garda not doing as you wanted ?

At least two gardai and a superintendent told you it was not in their remit to investigate and passed you onto to gsoc who's job it is to look into such things and they are ,

system seems to be working for you

No, they didn't say it was not in their remit and they didn't pass me onto GSOC.

It is not GSOC's role to investigate crimes unless it involves gardai themselves.

It is up to the gardai to investigate the crime that I'm a victim of. And hopefully GSOC will force them to do that given that they have admitted my complaint and stated that it will be investigated as a disciplinary complaint.

Effects

BiggJim wrote: »

It would suit them better to catch criminals and nevermind making stupid dance videos.

Why would they catch criminals in their own time, when they aren't at work?

purifol0

Effects wrote: »

Why would they catch criminals in their own time, when they aren't at work?

If its their own time and they're not on duty, then they sure as hell shouldn't be in uniform.

mynamejeff

kaymin wrote: »

No, they didn't say it was not in their remit and they didn't pass me onto GSOC.

It is not GSOC's role to investigate crimes unless it involves gardai themselves.

It is up to the gardai to investigate the crime that I'm a victim of. And hopefully GSOC will force them to do that given that they have admitted my complaint and stated that it will be investigated as a disciplinary complaint.

im fairly sure you've misunderstood what gsoc can do there

kaymin

mynamejeff wrote: »

im fairly sure you've misunderstood what gsoc can do there

Well you seem to know what you're talking about so enlighten me :rolleyes:

If GSOC find in my favour then when I make the report to the gardai again they will need to act unless the gardai want to find themselves subject to another disciplinary proceedings. It ain't complicated

Green Peter

kaymin wrote: »

Well you seem to know what you're talking about so enlighten me :rolleyes:

If GSOC find in my favour then when I make the report to the gardai again they will need to act unless the gardai want to find themselves subject to another disciplinary proceedings. It ain't complicated

And if GSOC don't?

kaymin

Green Peter wrote: »

And if GSOC don't?

I haven't thought about it

mynamejeff

kaymin wrote: »

Well you seem to know what you're talking about so enlighten me :rolleyes:

If GSOC find in my favour then when I make the report to the gardai again they will need to act unless the gardai want to find themselves subject to another disciplinary proceedings. It ain't complicated

actually I was pointing out that you don't seem to

you seem to feel very strongly and without knowing the details of your issue it wouldn't be fair to "enlighten" you

however gsoc lack either the remit or the ability to demand a garda does something that requires no garda action

do you want to try that again with out the childish attempt at being condescending ?

EmmetSpiceland

mynamejeff wrote: »

however gsoc lack either the remit or the ability to demand a garda does something that requires no garda action.

So you’re saying the gardaí won’t be compelled to stock the form holders in the lobby before 9am?

mynamejeff

EmmetSpiceland wrote: »

So you’re saying the gardaí won’t be compelled to stock the form holders in the lobby before 9am?

not till after the pudding box is delivered to the station at least

Acosta

Not bothered about the dancing. It's lame, but I don't care. I do find it annoying but not surprising that so many appear to have an issue with this, yet aren't bothered that there was no apology from them regarding the part they played in the Mother And Baby homes.

Allinall

purifol0 wrote: »

If its their own time and they're not on duty, then they sure as hell shouldn't be in uniform.

Why not?

What do they wear getting to and from work?

kaymin

mynamejeff wrote: »

actually I was pointing out that you don't seem to

you seem to feel very strongly and without knowing the details of your issue it wouldn't be fair to "enlighten" you

however gsoc lack either the remit or the ability to demand a garda does something that requires no garda action

do you want to try that again with out the childish attempt at being condescending ?

How about reading my post in full. I'll repeat it for you:

If GSOC find in my favour then when I make the report to the gardai again they will need to act unless the gardai want to find themselves subject to another disciplinary proceedings. It ain't complicated.

It's really no different to any employer / employee relationship. If an employee refuses to do something in their job description they will be disciplined. No-one can be forced to do anything but you are clutching at straws with this line of argument. Would you happen to be a garda?

mynamejeff

kaymin wrote: »

How about reading my post in full. I'll repeat it for you:

If GSOC find in my favour then when I make the report to the gardai again they will need to act unless the gardai want to find themselves subject to another disciplinary proceedings. It ain't complicated.

It's really no different to any employer / employee relationship. If an employee refuses to do something in their job description they will be disciplined. No-one can be forced to do anything but you are clutching at straws with this line of argument. Would you happen to be a garda?

You've highlighted the very bit that you are misunderstanding,

you think the criminal justice system is not complicated ?

No , do you often accuse people who disagree with you of that ?

Samsonsmasher

The video is sh*te

ShatterAlan

purifol0 wrote: »

If its their own time and they're not on duty, then they sure as hell shouldn't be in uniform.

Ah bollocks.


Are they on duty when they march in a parade in uniform along with members of the defense forces, e.g. the 2016 Easter Rising centenary? And if they are on duty are you going to complain that they and the soldiers should be out catching criminals or fighting foreign invaders rather than parading down a street in Dublin on the sacred taxpayer's dime?

purifol0

Allinall wrote: »

Why not?

What do they wear getting to and from work?

It is illegal for anybody to wear a state uniform when not on duty, or if they're not a member of the Defence Forces /An Garda Síochána / Fire Brigade / if they decide to don the uniform they are guilty of an offence. It amounts to impersonating an officer of the state.

purifol0

purifol0 wrote: »

It is illegal for anybody to wear a state uniform when not on duty, or if they're not a member of the Defence Forces /An Garda Síochána / Fire Brigade / if they decide to don the uniform they are guilty of an offence. It amounts to impersonating an officer of the state.

Where did you find this piece of law?

Witcher

purifol0 wrote: »

It is illegal for anybody to wear a state uniform when not on duty, or if they're not a member of the Defence Forces /An Garda Síochána / Fire Brigade / if they decide to don the uniform they are guilty of an offence. It amounts to impersonating an officer of the state.

Which law is that?

Throw up a link there, cheers

purifol0

ShatterAlan wrote: »

Ah bollocks.


Are they on duty when they march in a parade in uniform along with members of the defense forces, e.g. the 2016 Easter Rising centenary? And if they are on duty are you going to complain that they and the soldiers should be out catching criminals or fighting foreign invaders rather than parading down a street in Dublin on the sacred taxpayer's dime?

You do realise that they are indeed on duty for parades? And that they are ordered to do these by govt.


I doubt Jerusalema was ordered by the top brass. If it was it would have costs a fortune and they would have trotted out the Garda band (a real great use of taxpayers money them)

purifol0

bubblypop wrote: »

Where did you find this piece of law?

Witcher wrote: »

Which law is that?

Throw up a link there, cheers

http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/1954/act/18/section/264/enacted/en/html

Witcher

purifol0 wrote: »

http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/1954/act/18/section/264/enacted/en/html

The first line-

'not being a member of the Defence Forces'

No mention of on/off duty.

Thanks for that, so you're talking crap.

Effects

purifol0 wrote: »

It is illegal for anybody to wear a state uniform when not on duty, or if they're not a member of the Defence Forces /An Garda Síochána / Fire Brigade / if they decide to don the uniform they are guilty of an offence. It amounts to impersonating an officer of the state.

Is that why Redrock got cancelled? Cause all the actors kept getting arrested for wearing Garda uniforms?

maestroamado

For me this was sanctioned at the top as I read here HQ was in it. It really surprising me that this was allowed as it shows Gardaí as unprofessional. If we are responsible people and want to be taken seriously this not the way. Did many other police forces take up this challenge?

beggars_bush

Fair play to them

I'm sure many people in the community got enjoyment from it.
And it probably helped morale in the force

kaymin

mynamejeff wrote: »

You've highlighted the very bit that you are misunderstanding,

you think the criminal justice system is not complicated ?

No , do you often accuse people who disagree with you of that ?

We weren't discussing whether the criminal justice system is complicated. You seem easily confused.

Effects

maestroamado wrote: »

It really surprising me that this was allowed as it shows Gardaí as unprofessional. If we are responsible people and want to be taken seriously this not the way. Did many other police forces take up this challenge?

A lot of police forces around the world have been doing stuff like this for years.

BiggJim

beggars_bush wrote: »

Fair play to them

I'm sure many people in the community got enjoyment from it.
And it probably helped morale in the force

They'd probably get more enjoyment from having all the knife wielding little scumbags taken off the streets.

Effects

BiggJim wrote: »

They'd probably get more enjoyment from having all the knife wielding little scumbags taken off the streets.

I think you are overestimating the work the Gardaí can accomplish, by 100 of them spending an extra hour of their free time at work instead of making a silly dance video.