Schools closed until March/April? (part 4) Mod warning in OP 22/01

Lillyfae · 11-02-2021 11:18AM

downthemiddle wrote: »

You forgot those that live abroad but never miss an opportunity to knock Irish teachers. They claim to come from a family of teachers. Clearly they have little, or no, respect for the work their family members do.

I've plenty of respect for the work that my family members are doing- it's plain to see without them constantly banging a drum of how great they are, or acting like no-one can criticise them- this is obvious when they help out other family members who are not so lucky with the level of "teaching" their children are receiving. They have said themselves that some of the output leaves alot to be desired.

I'll knock the teachers that deserve a knock, or find not crossing the picket line (a euphemism by the way, i'm not referring to strikes here) in order to support students more important than backing each other up no matter what the scenario.

penny piper · 11-02-2021 11:19AM

Locotastic wrote: »

Pay no attention, clearly completely clueless of the reality with airy fairy quality time nonsense comments.

Quality time comments from someone who probably has zero experience of parenting and thinks families are living in a fairytale, romanticising a period that most families would rather consign to history.

I really don't see why some people have children...the majority of parents on here just seem to complain about their children...the hard work....no time to do anything with them.....blah blah......

Just because someone hasn't children they are not exempt of having an opinion on the subject.....

I'm a mother of two secondary teachers and I enjoyed/still enjoy any time I might have with them......that's what a parent is...

Stateofyou · 11-02-2021 11:20AM

Neagra wrote: »

****e businessmen go out of business
****e schools never go out of business
the joys of a mafia style unionised workforce

your post is very funny and honestly i am not sure if you yourself are a wind up merchant.

Yet Trump made it so far.... :pac:

Stateofyou · 11-02-2021 11:29AM

Warbeastrior wrote: »

Disagree. I know people that are absolutely loving having the children at home as they simply adore the quality time.
It doesn't mean that every parent feels that way and it doesn't mean you're not a good parent for feeling that way but it's simply incorrect to claim its nonsense.

Locotastic wrote: »

They are probably stay at home parents, I can't say I know anyone who is trying to hold down a job, or going out to work all day and then homeschooling is enjoying it at all, quite the opposite.

Quality time is a fallacy for a lot of working parents right now.

But there are a few 'stay home stay safe' mantra folk who seem to relish the lockdown, any that I know haven't had a job in at least a decade and have no idea of what it's like to try to find a balance (never mind the fact that we can't all stay home).

That's just my observation, its ridiculous stress for people who are trying to balance it all. The very idea of quality time is nonsense for many families unfortunately.

I don't understand the fighting about this. Locotastic, you don't seem to want to accept that some parents really are getting through *okay* enough and for the most part enjoying this time with their children.

I've two younger kids in primary. I work from home and the other half works out of the home. I am also upskilling in a particular area to grow into a future role. Most days I'm enjoying being with my kids now and any rougher days (which there definitely are) I do remind myself how precious this time is with them and we will all be back at the rat race soon enough. We're in a good routine now and I'm happy with their teacher's efforts.

Just because some feel the way you do Locotastic, doesn't mean others aren't feeling the opposite. You almost seem very angry about it, that others may be coping alright with work and kids. I can acknowledge and feel for those who are having a tough go of it, realise there's all sorts of things going on the home to more kids, parental issues, addictions, whatever. Nobody here has the authority to speak for us all. Just speak for yourself.

downthemiddle · 11-02-2021 11:30AM

Lillyfae wrote: »

I've plenty of respect for the work that my family members are doing- it's plain to see without them constantly banging a drum of how great they are, or acting like no-one can criticise them- this is obvious when they help out other family members who are not so lucky with the level of "teaching" their children are receiving. They have said themselves that some of the output leaves alot to be desired.

I'll knock the teachers that deserve a knock, or find not crossing the picket line (a euphemism by the way, i'm not referring to strikes here) in order to support students more important than backing each other up no matter what the scenario.

Do you not think the vast majority of teachers deserve respect or are your family the exception?

Locotastic · 11-02-2021 11:30AM

penny piper wrote: »

I really don't see why some people have children...the majority of parents on here just seem to complain about their children...the hard work....no time to do anything with them.....blah blah......

Just because someone hasn't children they are not exempt of having an opinion on the subject.....

I'm a mother of two secondary teachers and I enjoyed/still enjoy any time I might have with them......that's what a parent is...

A simple reality check to a poster who seemed to think that lockdown should be a rose tinted time to spend quality time with children. The reality of that for a lot of families is it's not a possibility as much as we want it.

I didn't complain once about children, NOT ONCE. I pointed out the s*it situation that a lot of families are in right now.

Are you aware that majority of households nowadays have both parents in employment in some capacity? Do you want a blue Peter badge for your apparent marvellous superior childraising skills?

Easy to say what a parent is when the rearing is done and dusted. Every family is different so don't look down your nose at anyone until you've experienced working and homeschooling young children during a now year long lockdown.

Stateofyou · 11-02-2021 11:32AM

Lillyfae wrote: »

There are many more than 2 types on this thread. There are the ones who would give the vaccination to not at risk teachers ahead of frontline workers. There are the ones who attack anyone who says their children's teachers are not up to scratch. There are the ones who answer every issue with "WHAT CLASS". There are the ones who can't accept an apology from someone who has owned up to a mistake. There are the ones who refer to the constitution stating parents are the primary educators, and blaming parents themselves for having had children in the first place. There are the ones who refer to children "ruling the roost" and "gaming the system".

The optics of this thread are not great sometimes. You'd wonder why some became teachers at all when they don't seem to like children. Or principals. Or teaching.

Pot meet kettle comes to mind. And you've liked plenty of posts that have gotten people carded or banned. Mind your own optics.

jimmytwotimes 2013 · 11-02-2021 11:34AM

Locotastic wrote: »

Are you aware that majority of households nowadays have both parents in employment in some capacity? Do you want a blue Peter badge for your apparent marvellous superior childraising skills?

Again, who doesn't know most houses have 2 working parents? Been the case in Ireland since the mid-90s.

This "aren't you aware" stuff is tiresome.

As for the Blue Peter badge jibe, not helpful at all.

Lillyfae · 11-02-2021 11:34AM

downthemiddle wrote: »

Do you not think the vast majority of teachers deserve respect or are your family the exception?

I'm not going to pretend to know about the vast majority- but neither should you. There's no measure for it so it's impossible for anyone to know. I'm hearing about 50/50- from both here and in real life. But here teachers won't allow any questioning of what's going on, instead saying "who's going to mind the teacher's children" or "sure God love them, all the stress they're under" or "parents are lazy" or "the children are all playing video games". That's my problem.

downthemiddle · 11-02-2021 11:36AM

Locotastic wrote: »

Do you want a blue Peter badge for your apparent marvellous superior childraising skills?

You may want to reconsider this comment. It does not reflect well on you.

Deeec · 11-02-2021 11:36AM

penny piper wrote: »

I really don't see why some people have children...the majority of parents on here just seem to complain about their children...the hard work....no time to do anything with them.....blah blah......

Just because someone hasn't children they are not exempt of having an opinion on the subject.....

I'm a mother of two secondary teachers and I enjoyed/still enjoy any time I might have with them......that's what a parent is...

Penny I have not seen any parents on here complain about their children. I dont enjoy having to homeschool my children, do my job as an accountant and look after a 3 year old ( all at the same time). We manage it all though and fall into bed exhausted at the end of a long day. I do enjoy my time with my kids. At the weekends we enjoy all the fun stuff but Monday to Friday are stressed. And yes someone who doesnt have kids or isnt a teacher has no business commenting on the situation.

I had a good chuckle at this comment. Visions of you bouncing two 30 somethings on your knee! How are you finding homeschooling your 2 secondary school teachers while doing your job at the same time. I dont think you can compare being a parent of 2 secondary teachers to parenting primary and secondary school kids.

Lillyfae · 11-02-2021 11:36AM

Stateofyou wrote: »

Pot meet kettle comes to mind. And you've liked plenty of posts that have gotten people carded or banned. Mind your own optics.

As have others. Please report my posts if you have an issue.

Locotastic · 11-02-2021 11:38AM

jimmytwotimes 2013 wrote: »

Again, who doesn't know most houses have 2 working parents? Been the case in Ireland since the mid-90s.

Someone with grownup children I'd imagine.

downthemiddle · 11-02-2021 11:38AM

Lillyfae wrote: »

I'm not going to pretend to know about the vast majority- but neither should you. There's no measure for it so it's impossible for anyone to know. I'm hearing about 50/50- from both here and in real life. But here teachers won't allow any questioning of what's going on, instead saying "who's going to mind the teacher's children" or "sure God love them, all the stress they're under" or "parents are lazy" or "the children are all playing video games". That's my problem.

I'm sure you're are aware from family members what is happening in their schools. How are the vast majority doing there?

Lillyfae · 11-02-2021 11:39AM

downthemiddle wrote: »

I'm sure you're are aware from family members what is happening in their schools. How are the vast majority doing there?

I've already answered this in previous threads. Feel free to search.

downthemiddle · 11-02-2021 11:44AM

Lillyfae wrote: »

I've already answered this in previous threads. Feel free to search.

Nice cop out. I'll continue to allow you to believe that your family members are the exception.

Stateofyou · 11-02-2021 11:47AM

Locotastic wrote: »

How exactly is it a fringe view? Not everybody is running scared because of 'variants', this is what viruses do it's nothing sinister and should be expected.

Basic virus behaviour, I'm sure there must be a biology teacher here somewhere who can confirm that this is normal for a virus.

Everyone knows virus's mutate. But maybe you missed the part about this being a NOVEL coronavirus and scientists can't say what will happen long term? For now, it is mutating in ways that is working against us and our vaccines.

What we do know is that it's accepted that this new UK strain is going dominant around the world. World leaders (including ours) being advised by their science teams have openly acknowledged the dangers of the new variants, the harm they cause, and have taken new measures to meet the new challenges.

Your post is so anti-science it's laughable and mind boggling at the same time.

jimmytwotimes 2013 · 11-02-2021 11:49AM

Locotastic wrote: »

Someone with grownup children I'd imagine.

What?

Locotastic · 11-02-2021 11:52AM

jimmytwotimes 2013 wrote: »

What?

The posters children are adults.

jimmytwotimes 2013 · 11-02-2021 11:53AM

Locotastic wrote: »

The posters children are adults.

So they don't know most households in Ireland have 2 working parents?

Stateofyou · 11-02-2021 11:54AM

Lillyfae wrote: »

I'm not going to pretend to know about the vast majority- but neither should you. There's no measure for it so it's impossible for anyone to know. I'm hearing about 50/50- from both here and in real life. But here teachers won't allow any questioning of what's going on, instead saying "who's going to mind the teacher's children" or "sure God love them, all the stress they're under" or "parents are lazy" or "the children are all playing video games". That's my problem.

Lillyfae wrote: »

As have others. Please report my posts if you have an issue.

No one said those things here in the hyperbolic, disingenuous manner you're claiming.

Also, I will once again say pot meet kettle. You were the first to start criticising other's posts on here (disingenuously) I might add, and you've stayed at it all morning. If you don't like their posts, report them.

You claim not to teacher bash or hate teachers while having family members who teach, yet you post the opposite, and you sure like an awful lot of teacher bashing posts here (many of which were carded or posters banned) and that flies in the face of claiming you have respect for teachers.

Lillyfae · 11-02-2021 11:59AM

Stateofyou wrote: »

You claim not to teacher bash or hate teachers while having family members who teach, yet you post the opposite, and you sure like an awful lot of teacher bashing posts here (many of which were carded or posters banned) and that flies in the face of claiming you have respect for teachers.

No, I am talking to a small subset of teachers here. It's my view that they share their views here, because they are not shared by teachers in real life and thus they have nowhere else to share them.

Aside from that, my biggest problem is the sway that unions have in the decision making process.

Locotastic · 11-02-2021 11:59AM

jimmytwotimes 2013 wrote: »

So they don't know most households in Ireland have 2 working parents?

Maybe they don't, might explain the lack of understanding for parents and the condescension.

monkeybutter · 11-02-2021 12:04PM

jimmytwotimes 2013 wrote: »

So they don't know most households in Ireland have 2 working parents?

what are the numbers on that out of interest i'm sure plenty are on a part time basis or only go back once the kids are a certain age

Stateofyou · 11-02-2021 12:06PM

Lillyfae wrote: »

No, I am talking to a small subset of teachers here. It's my view that they share their views here, because they are not shared by teachers in real life and thus they have nowhere else to share them.

Aside from that, my biggest problem is the sway that unions have in the decision making process.

I have friends who are teachers *in real life* and I have conversations with my own kids teachers and principal as well. They jivve with what's being said here, 100%

Yet I am aware that there are some teachers/principals who don't pull their weight, but you won't see me bashing all teachers, or liking most of the posts who do which get them carded and banned. Because they're not true, and not a reflection of the entire profession. How could they be? Yet you like them and so agree.

One of my biggest reliefs, as a parent, is that teachers had a union strong enough to step up when they needed to to keep us all safe (including the wider community), though they never should have had to. They've been scapegoated as a result, which is what you're doing now.

jimmytwotimes 2013 · 11-02-2021 12:09PM

monkeybutter wrote: »

what are the numbers on that out of interest i'm sure plenty are on a part time basis or only go back once the kids are a certain age

Four out of ten (42.3%) of households in Ireland had two or more persons earning an income in 2016, see Figure 3.1 below, while 30.6% of households had only one person earning an income. Just over a quarter (25.6%) of households in Ireland had no earned income in 2016.

These households are broken down into households where pension income (private and occupational and/or state pension) was the primary source of income (15.7%) and households where non-pension social welfare was the main source of income (9.9%). The remaining 1.5% of households could not be linked to administrative income

All I can find, from CSO site.

Lillyfae · 11-02-2021 12:10PM

Stateofyou wrote: »

I have friends who are teachers *in real life* and I have conversations with my own kids teachers and principal as well. They jivve with what's being said here, 100%

Yet I am aware that there are some teachers/principals who don't pull their weight, but you won't see me bashing all teachers, or liking most of the posts who do which get them carded and banned. Because they're not true, and not a reflection of the entire profession. How could they be? Yet you like them and so agree.

One of my biggest reliefs, as a parent, is that teachers had a union strong enough to step up when they needed to to keep us all safe (including the wider community), though they never should have had to. They've been scapegoated as a result, which is what you're doing now.

The above is all your opinion. I respect your opinion. Disagreeing with you or anyone doesn't make my opinion less valid than yours.

Stateofyou · 11-02-2021 12:15PM

Lillyfae wrote: »

The above is all your opinion. I respect your opinion. Disagreeing with you or anyone doesn't make my opinion less valid than yours.

I didn't say it does. However, I have pointed out your embellished, hypocritical, and disrespect on teachers here by your posting/activity and you can't answer to any of that. So now you're trying to sidestep those points and tie it all up now by saying it's a difference in opinion and you respect it. You spent most of this morning attacking others opinions (which you misrepresented) so pardon me if I don't believe that you have respect for my opinion or anyone else's here. When you have to embellish and misrepresent what was said in order to try and make a point against them, you don't have one.

Locotastic · 11-02-2021 12:34PM

In other news I see MM looking to be vaccinated so he can head to the states for St Patrick's Day.

I certainly hope that trip does not go ahead and if this happens then as if we didn't need any more evidence as to how out of touch our politicians are.

Lead by example and all that! He said he's going if he's invited, two fingers to everyone in the country.

History Queen · 11-02-2021 12:37PM

I think most people can agree that the crux of the issue is that there is such poor communication coming from the Government on what steps are being taken to open schools as soon as possible and why it isn't happening faster. No sense of urgency towards solving the issues.

Some are laying blame at unions not realising that unions are the representatives of the ordinary teachers, not some random organisation being obstructionist for the sake of it. They are responding to members concerns. A lot of teachers have seen just how few measures have been implemented in schools and have lived experience of protocols that apply elsewhere in the community being disregarded in schools. Being told again and again "schools are safe" when they have been in and witnessed unsafe practices is gaslighting plain and simple. Remote teaching isn't ideal but it's the best of a bad situation until they can open schools more safely given the rise in cases over Christmas.

It's all the more galling when those who never uttered a word about special needs or the vulnerable until now are suddenly concerned. As if teachers have just now realised we have vulnerable students.Where is your concern when we report the same family to Tusla again and again for neglect only to still have their children come to school reporting horrendous home situations, when we have to feed students in schools as they aren't fed at home? When you have to find a spare place and lunch money on a class trip so the same child doesn't miss out? When you are complaining about a teacher not doing a full timetable of "lives" like the school nextdoor not realising that teacher is delivering food parcels and workpacks to students that need them. Or that other parents have requested not having lives as both parents work out of homeand their child will miss out?

It also kills me to hear of lazy teachers and principals, or those teachers who do the bare minimum. The workshy let everyone down, parents, students and colleagues. Though I suspect they are as numerate in our profession as they are in any other.

I'm sorry this has turned in to such a rant but I'm just sick of it. All of it.

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Schools closed until March/April? (part 4) Mod warning in OP 22/01